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and then to the end of white ruled so called rhodesia. now the silence of mr mugabe it's all right so the africans but what about the whites made free media is clear when it comes to countries like zimbabwe or venezuela or iran which seek a future outside the washington consensus some viewers may remember when the b.b.c. routinely attacked this man for being a terrorist for wanting the end of white imperialism in africa. right where. we didn't. praise. god. democratic country comrade mandela went from terrorist just saying to nato nation media when he fell in line with the washington consensus and neoliberal privatization as from a garbage tax from the state mandated b.b.c. arguably rise and fall depending on the levels of his genuflection before the international monetary fund the lesson arguably is watch out for this information
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in nato nation mainstream media about leadership succession in zimbabwe especially when media outlets and perhaps the real global superpower of the twenty first century carry reports like this huge impairing said china and zimbabwe are real or whether friends yeah the page should not only be good friends on politics but also be good partners in the vellum and let alone reports like this russian president vladimir putin welcomed zimbabwe president robert mugabe into the kremlin well joining me now is the chairman of the u.k. chapter of zanu p.f. nick mcguire nick thanks so much for coming on going underground events moving fast we just or clips of xi jinping and value me a putin with robert mugabe is a month ago just remind us just give us a taste of how the racist british colonialism works. which preceded the successful revolution of robert mugabe thank you for having me and for
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asking such a potent question then preaching it in the crimea rule in zimbabwe was very repressive. to play people i would just give you a simple snippet like that people we're not supposed to work on the simple on the walk on the same street of the white person so basically you are off the pavement and the white prison is on the pavement if for some reason you see a white person on the pavement you have to go the other way and that that was imposed by the law simple things women we considered minus you couldn't a woman could not transact on your own until in one thousand eighty two when president mugabe and his government passed a law which was called the legal majority at your wife and your child will equal or western mainstream media all week we robert mugabe was responsible for the mass slaughter of tens of thousands of zimbabweans well there were thousands and thousands and thousands where it was a bubble and swim cup it bought during the liberation struggle by their additions
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britain and america were support of the united states of what exact african apartheid against cuba and react so we want to be a little bit better we had. a pseudo sanction regime when actually every hunter you know they were the fighter jets and planes that were being used by the religions were british red almost who important that was be us was british made so what sanctions are we talking about here so we received the british we were fighting the british we were defeated the british and atrocities were committed off and an untold scales. you know we had problems at the beginning of our independence in our formative years we we had disturbances and people died excesses we've done we've committed because people are trying to if you know the mission we wouldn't even problems it is unfortunate one not one person is a president date but we could act but it does not turn our independence into a devilish independents why did robert mugabe take loans from the i.m.f.
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we know well some and there were arguably destroyed the economy of south africa with the floods i think if this is anything that zimbabwe regrets is going under that structural adjustment programs or is a piece that's failed throughout the world because. in plain and slanted towards the towards the east we were going for socialism and then believed was that a billion or crumbled in one thousand eight hundred by one thousand ninety are the bacon we're getting from the east subsided and that leaves left us with no option because it is a new nation which we need in france i'm sure we would beg to differ they did they didn't because i just ask how does any new government in zimbabwe how will it navigate a world where the brics powers are arguably to the fore a new world as it were brics is a blessing to us because we're in the articulation of our policies as a public policy so you will find that we rely on we were building
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a lot of relationships with brazil we're building a lot of little russia so hopefully it was more it would have a good relationship our treatment comes from india and so on so that's obviously we are all biggest trading alike and it is tell you that in russia that vetoed in july two thousand and eight that featured the security council when it wanted to impose further and more crippling economic sanctions are going to zimbabwe so we do have this relationship this fraternal relationship britain voted presumably to her britain well everybody wants to have an influence in africa because. of the resources it depends on the relationship the relationship we had with russia the relationship we had with china was also because they they defended our independence they were the midwives that protein our independence we've seen beijing and moscow encourage greater but when nato nations really move in as we've seen in the in the north of africa in libya how will you trust them to be powers that are allied to
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or whether you look at the pockets in the country but in the world right now we are not looking for a cold war type of relationship we believe everybody which is supposed to respect deserve to be treated back with respect so you keep some you get some it's as simple as that russia treats bubble the respect and trade deals with russia important we didn't want to say we want to use russia to attack britain because that's not their little of the literature so what what you can do is just to build a country to build our economy and to be let alone to cope with to build them to have the freedoms that we need or that we're prepared to have we don't even want to put to impose any political or economic measures upon us it's unnecessary we have three countries we make on certain decisions when i'm a conservative it's decisions we go forward it's just as much as even things about right now that's why i think everybody because it's a bubble want to solve its problems and what it's about was of course all his problems there but one that thank you. for that was the head of robert mugabe's zanu p.f. u.k. chapter joining me now via skype from counter bri in southern england is alex for
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guy so the former chief advisor zimbabwean opposition leader morgan tsvangirai alex thanks for joining us from from england so why is mortgage angra of all people returned to zimbabwe where chance of replacing mugabe well you know is not doing very well. last couple of. weeks ago you went to south africa where he was getting treatment for colon cancer. and he issued a statement last. week after these said king of the vice president a massive mango chrome government and shaped at this their potential security at least and it was therefore not surprised by the fact that the military you know we later to go over and misty january is now back in zimbabwe it is very critical time i think it's a real good mission of the crisis to wish the country's going it's
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a major national significance and as an important part of the national leadership. keys to caldera i think it's important that he be there in zimbabwe how to be involved in any you know we can reach at this crisis can be a result isn't it wholly discredited figure though given that we know that he took money from foreign governments for the movement for democratic change well you know morgan tsvangirai has been here courageous and tenacious fighter against the regime of mr mugabe for nearly twenty years he is darren figure for the opposition he's very well respected both in zimbabwe and across the african continent and also the donation of community is a very respectable figure but why did the abusive throw him out them before the m.d.c. has never thrown out and you're right back in twenty four but always been at the
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helm was an appearance a sort of the i am d.c. and he has never been thrown out there people have broken away from the m.d.c. that he has continuously been the leader of the m.d.c. since ninety nine tonight i think the zimbabwean people will never forgive him for the fact that he supported sanctions against the zimbabwean people who are moving trying to die has always been on the side of the zimbabwean people he has always done and what is right even when he supported sanctions told the united states and britain the old colonial master key to sanction. as up hurting the population of zimbabwe modern trend i raised attention to the concerns into the issues that we africans about when people ask for international assistance if you look at two thousand and nine to two thousand and thirteen when zimbabwe was being governed by a government of national unity which mostly trying to i guess prime minister and to the m.d.c. was part of government that was the best time for zimbabweans since two thousand
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that in itself is not the actions of someone who is undermining zimbabweans but someone who is capable and willing to support his american people and any idea who is paying the seventy thousand dollars in medical bills in september i have no idea who is paying for him but who support the character that many us sean is a fighter for this american people will naturally help if they wish to and just finally when you are working as steve advisor where the british government supporting him. the british government weren't supporting this in government look at the record. yes to many foreign governments. but m.d.c. i'm talking about. was absolutely. alex again thank you well no doubt robert mugabe will soon be smeared as a kremlin or beijing agent by nature nation corporate media cold war paranoia was
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clearly on show all week on so-called news networks like c.n.n. and the british state mandated b.b.c. as for the u.k. parliament it sometimes looked like hearings of the us house un-american activities committee in the dark according to this labor m.p. it's britain's foreign secretary boris johnson the foreign secretary told this house except referendum go on yes or not to meddle in western democracy churned out thousands of men wanted to bomb syria and in fact just to be because of twitter tweets then she appeared to imply that either britain's foreign secretary is no longer privy to intelligence reports or boras himself as an agent of the kremlin because he decided not to read information produced by institutions that brought us fake reports of w m d in iraq and the foreign secretary not being kept in the dark on the intelligence had he not read it or was he willfully blind and will she now stop dragging her feet and set up the intelligence and security committee. playing into the kremlin's attempts to undermine our tomorrow well she seems to have
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decided the kremlin is undermining british democracy already but maybe the company she keeps on the backbenches raises a more pressing democratic question why have she and her colleague a democratically elected favorite to be than then framed militant turned statesman gerry adams today resigns we are speech in spain north of the border is destroying northern ireland's good friday agreement. on the road have to be. pleasing markets to wage war against and we saw in greece when goldman sachs and their buddies decided to tear down that country to rip it for going to dollars of the profits john paulson got calm and signed now it's spilling over into the crypto world and the geo political world that's happening.
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welcome back within the past twenty four hours britain's controversial foreign secretary boris johnson has been in dublin to discuss what brics it will mean for the irish border that's wild all that island's local government institutions created after the ira gave up the military route to irish independence are arguably in chaos within his view b.m.p. sammy wilson a member of the existing the european union committee whose party is defacto keeping to raise amazement or to government in power that we welcome back to going underground so was you hold this government in power to resume in power a direct rule from westminster as regards northern ireland the evolution finished well that there's an inevitability about the situation of how to the moment and have to say that they don't want to participate in a northern ireland assembly mainly because they don't want to be hard to say things that being in government requires them to meet on fortunately given the structures in northern ireland if they can give them the only real to you know giving away
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with things in vain or asking for demands which are making a wrong realistic and secondly they're the only party who are demanding that before they enter government that certain things be given and the reason of course why they're asking for that could but blackmail really they know they could never get them if they had to debate them and argue for them on them in the assembly their republican supporters who are pretty sure why they're inviting police ministers to run northern ireland because that's a fact what they're doing the one thing you can. be united about perhaps is this statement from the british government that james broke into northern ireland is just as you want to review northern ireland assembly politicians pay. your colleagues in the u.p.a. installment little attention friends probably don't happy about that are they doing no work at all at the will for the people of new of course that's not true so i think it's a bit unfair on the secular state to say that he wants to review their pay on two pints for the last while they're in labor while they don't sit and wonder they
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acted as if he likes but i don't either then you do it at westminster in the northern ireland for example in two thousand was he for that was not really what race in northern ireland we made a key s. for social needs in northern ireland and the governed accepted that and of course where they really are not get well this is just to put in perspective they have the worst child health indicators to me argue for the extra money for northern ireland the heinz has been allocated for being weird by ministers by local ministers if you receive a reason we're in power and you haven't got the money we'll see only harleston we have i mean first of all there's a computer money for the next five years i would presume or broadband a five year program for health reform a five year program for infrastructure so will be released you see that's the way it's nowhere to be released because where it was very large is well well that's why we're saying that's why we're saying once a direct written step and then those projects can be brought forward if they go to the right will completely destroy will right william it will they have to does this kind of siring little business does rio she has that as
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a reference yes of course it was mean the good friday agreement and the rest of the united kingdom and also the irish republican british trainer holding up the billion pounds because of their actions what is the power of the tea shook right now in stopping bricks it actually happen in scotland is this do you cooperate with the relief of the people of the united kingdom and leaving the and work with us to make that as pinless as possible for your country or do you more than the united kingdom will suffer in very brief. seem to be raising the public possibility of there being no bricks at all what is that shirt on the mirror quite clear that have caused the one thing there is still resistance to from the european union then we will leave again or noted sorry of that thank you well that was sadly wilson for the day you peel clearly believes the chin fane are at fault when it comes to the deadlock of governments joining me now is shin fein m.p. from seaman lawyer who was once director of elections for irish hunger striker m.p.
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bobby sands friends he welcomes you going underground tell me about the petition you delivered at downing street to theresa may this week was very important protection from the kelly family they the wife of particularly who was an independent electoral presenter from the independent country who was killed forty three years ago and his wife found their family home too darn insidiously to bring it right back to the heart of where decision making happens here in westminster and treated me as door so very important message that they are looking for truth and justice they want to see the implementation of the inquiries that actually happened and the publication of those inquiries that actually he carried out they have never seen them they've never got a report about their solicitor there as well then every time they try to get the information is available they have been knocked back protected by the ministry of defense they don't want to see the door which is a regiment of the of the british army most of the fans regiment which would largely be pretty globally largely protestant they are news so there is an important role
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here for confidence in police and as well as justice that the british government do declare what actually happened and what information they have went to you do your part that was there the night that particularly was murdered you expect resume was only kept in power by your former enemies as it were formerly paramilitary link do you pray you expect theresa may to do something about your petition we do expect it and we expect the ministers were because the justice has to come clean and we want to see the op. chindia for all the families to get justice doesn't matter what side of the community's own that whatever information is out there that people know that the police hold a special branch hold that all needs to become clean and so that we know is that this come directly from really representing your communities properly because you still have it just for democracy that was stormont and there you've lost that too will storm and it was one thing that he was delivered out of the good friday agreement and was
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a means of actually trying to bring justice under bring people together to work for the future of actively destroyed it this year well we haven't destroyed it what we wanted was a right spaced government we wanted the executive we set up and we still want the example set up but it has to be right spirit the good friday agreement the senate under treatment and all agreements are under that rolls about implementing the good friday agreement and aspects of the good for it the negotiations have been happening the already have happened the compromises have been made and what we want is implementation what we are fine with that the d.p. one prepared to implement the agreements that their leaders had me of in the past and the british government on forty were backing them up because they are dependent on the union. to actually keep them in government but there has to be a clear understanding here that people need justice and if we're going to go back into an exact if this family is going to go back on it then we need to be confident there's a rape spaced government on exact of because unless everyone is represented within that unless the rights of everyone represent then no one has rights at all social
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indicators in northern a lot of the worst in western europe whether it be health housing whatever you do it holding up. budget money that could be going to consider in norfolk island because of your. belief that stormont shouldn't host local politicians at the moment no way we're not holding up we welcome and the money comes into the the north but want to government i mean samuelson said maybe not but surely by not returning to power sharing in. little when the d.p. negotiate their money's going to do when they're negotiate this deal with reason made they said it wasn't dependent on the exact have been in operation but one of the things that by clear from the assembly was set up on the executive was set up the first thing the tory government on from there came into power was to cut the money to the other sound like they continuously with the costs and benefits cotton while far costs in hospital sandy was been forced into doing without russia next
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year it's also another anniversary four years ago that's the british m.p. who died on august right you were his director of elections that's right just remind us about who bobby sands was well what would sound a young man who played soccer football acting and belfast in given that he was up in there and the failure of the british government to actually be able to grasp the issue off the mound to political status because it was a political conflict that had been involved probably sounds died and almost like unfortunate. fact when he takes lawyer joining us on trial for the ecuadorian embassy in london till then you can judge rogers when we do a few on monday designated internationally as transgender remembrance day after the ninety two ninety nine murder of transgender woman rita hastur in allston massachusetts us.
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that to those on putting in as his own as a suit outside us at all to the sitting on. the. three missing the deadline set by the muckle serious resignation of house race for .
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