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unions lead a march through central paris raising the pressure on president micron over his controversial labor reforms. meanwhile the french president to host a meeting with the lebanese prime minister who surprise resignation announcement has raised fears of regional turmoil. and the e.u. decisions are put on hold as german parties missed their deadline to form a governing coalition. come on the stories you can go to argue dot com going underground is next on the take over in zimbabwe and if you're watching in the u.k. our island is also focusing on the zimbabwe crisis and asking where it all went wrong for president mugabe stay with us.
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we're going underground is today the scottish arm of europe's largest socialist movement jeremy corbin's u.k. labor party elect its new leader in scotland coming up in the show can we trust nature nation media reports about robert mugabe given historical coverage of former british colony zimbabwe we speak in the form achieve advisor of u.k. back opposition leader morgan tsvangirai and the head of the new pm u.k. chapter of the politician to raise a major factor u.k. ruling coalition slams lindsay leader for its value and foolishness. fane m.p.'s on the ball he sounds director of elections front see malloy appeals to downing street for the truth about an alleged british coverup over the murder of northern irish politician patsy kelly all this of all coming up with today's going underground but first to the southern african nation of zimbabwe which is being in
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the news a lot lately here in britain the former colonial master of zimbabwe the statement dated broadcaster is routinely at. the government of the country led by robert mugabe ever since independence in the end of white ruled so called rhodesia. now the silence of mr mugabe it's all right so the africans but what about the white maids remede years care when it comes to countries like zimbabwe or venezuela or iran which seek a future outside the washington consensus some viewers may remember when the b.b.c. routinely attacked this man for being a terrorist for one thing the end of white imperialism in africa. right where. we. got. democratic country comrade mandela went from terrorist just saying to nato nation media when he fell in line with the washington consensus and neoliberal
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privatization as from a garbage tax from the state mandated b.b.c. arguably rise and fall depending on the levels of his genuflection before the international monetary fund the lesson arguably is watch out for this information in nato nation mainstream media about leadership succession in zimbabwe especially when media outlets and perhaps the real global superpower of the twenty first century carry reports like this huge impairing said china and zimbabwe are real or whether friends yeah the page should not only be good friends on politics but also be good partners in development let alone reports like this russian president vladimir putin welcomed zimbabwe president robert mugabe into the kremlin well joining me now is the chairman of the u.k. chapter of zanu p.f. nick maguire nick thanks so much for coming on going underground events moving fast we just saw clips of xi jinping and that to me a putin with robert mugabe as
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a months ago just remind us just give us a taste of how the racist british colonialism works. which preceded the successful revolution of robert mugabe thank you for having me and ask that apartment question then preach it in the crimea rule in zimbabwe was very repressive. to play people i would just give you a simple snippets like that people we're not supposed to work on the simple on the walk on the same street with a weapon so basically you are off the pavement and the way prisoners on the pavement if for some reason you see a white person on the pavement you have to go the other way and that that was imposed by the law simple fix women we considered minus you couldn't a woman could not transact on your own until in one thousand eighty two when president mugabe and his government passed a law which was called the legal majority at your wife and your child will equal or worse than mainstream media all week we are in that robert mugabe was responsible
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for the mass slaughter of tens of thousands of zimbabweans well there were thousands and thousands and thousands where it was a bubble and swim cup it bought during the liberation struggle by their additions britain and america were support of the united states is what exact africa against cuba and react so we want to be a little bit better we had them in a pseudo sanctions regime when actually every hunter you know they were the fighter jets and planes that were being used by the religions were british red almost through important that was big us was british made so it was such as we're talking about here so we received the british we were fighting the british we were indeed fighting the british and atrocities were committed off and an untold scales. you know we had problems at the beginning of our independence you know formative years we we had disturbances and people died excesses we've done we've committed because people are trying to if you know the mission we wouldn't even problems it is
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unfortunate one not one person is a president date but we could act but it does not turn our independence into a devilish independence why did robert mugabe take loans from the i.m.f. we know well some and there were arguably destroyed the economy of south africa with the floods i think if this is anything that zimbabwe regrets is going under that structural adjustment programs or is a piece that's failed throughout the world because of him plain and slanted towards the towards the east we were going for socialism and then believed was that billion or crumbled in one thousand eight hundred by one thousand ninety are the bacon we're getting from the east subsided and that leaves left us with no option because as it is a new nation which we need in france i'm sure we would beg to differ they did they didn't because i just ask how does any new government in zimbabwe or will it navigate a world where the brics powers are arguably to the fore
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a new world as it were brics is a blessing to us because in the articulation of our policies as a public policies you will find that we rely on we were building a lot of relationships with brazil we're building a lot of little russia so i hope it was more it would have a good relationship our treatment comes from india and so on so that's obviously we are all biggest trading alike and it is tell you that in russia that vetoed in july two thousand and eight that's a feature of the security council when it wanted to impose further and more crippling economic sanctions are going to zimbabwe so we do have this relationship this fraternal relationship britain voted presumably to her britain well everybody wants to have an influence in africa because. of the resources it depends on the relationship the relationship we had with russia the relationship we had with china was also because they they defended our independence they were the midwives that protein our independence we've seen beijing and moscow encourage straight but when
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nato nations really move in as we've seen in the in the north of africa in libya how will you trust them to be powers that are allied to or whether you look at the pockets in the country that in the world right now we are not looking for a cold war type of relationships we believe everybody which is supposed to respect deserve to be treated back with respect so you keep some you get some it's as simple as that russia treats bubble the respect and trade deals with russia important we didn't want to say we're going to use russia to attack britain because that's not their little of the literature so what what you can do is just to build a country to build our economy and to be let alone to go would be would have to have the freedoms that we need or that we're prepared to have we don't even want to put to impose any political or economic measures it's unnecessary we have three countries we make on certain decisions when i'm a conservative it's decisions we go forward it's just as much as even things about right now that's why we're seeing every bit off as
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a bubble going to solve its problems into what is a bubble is also has problems that but one that thank you. for that was the head of robert mugabe's zanu p.f. u.k. chapter joining me now via skype from counter bre in southern england is alex a guy so the former chief advisor zimbabwean opposition leader morgan tsvangirai alex thanks for joining us from from england so why is mortgage angra of all people returned to zimbabwe where chance of replacing mugabe well you know is not doing very well. last couple of. weeks ago you went to south africa where he was getting treatment for colon cancer. and he issued a statement last. after these said king of the vice president and muslim chrome government and state that this was in their potential security at least and it was therefore not surprised by the fact that the military you know we later to go over
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and misty january is now back in zimbabwe it is very critical time i think it's a recognition of the crisis to wish the country's going it's a major national significance and as an important part of the national leadership. key stakeholders i think it's important that he be there in zimbabwe how to be involved in any you know ways in which a disgrace is going to be a result isn't a wholly discredited figure though given that we know that he took money from foreign governments for the movement for democratic change. well you know morgan tsvangirai has been here courageous and tenacious fighter against the regime of mr mugabe for nearly twenty years he is a towering figure for the opposition he's very well respected both in zimbabwe and
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across the african continent and also the danish no community is a very respectable figure but why did the m.d.c. throw him out them before the m.d.c. has never thrown out and right back in twenty four but always been at the helm once and appear as sort of the m.d.c. and he has never been thrown out there people who have broken away from the m.d.c. that is continuously been the leader of the m.d.c. since ninety nine tonight i think the zimbabwean people will never forgive him for the fact that he supported sanctions against the zimbabwean people well morgan thank you very has always been on the side of the zimbabwean people he has always done and what is right even when he supported sanctions told the united states and britain the old colonial master keep the sanctions are hurting the population of zimbabwe modern trend i raised attention to the concerns into the issues that we africans about when people ask for international assistance if you look at two
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thousand and nine to two thousand and thirteen when zimbabwe was being governed by a government of national unity which mostly i'm trying to is prime minister and the m.d.c. was part of government that was the best time for zimbabweans since two thousand that in itself is not the actions of someone who is i don't mind him up with but someone who is capable and willing to support his american people and any idea who is paying the seventy thousand dollars in medical bills in september i have no idea who is paying for him but morgan chandra is went to a as friends who has to music person who is suffering from cancer and will wishers who suck. but. surely a fight over. will naturally. and just finally when you were working as chief advisor to the british government supporting him. the british government was supporting this in government look at the record. you have to many
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foreign governments which is a broken government but the m.d.c. i'm talking about. was absolutely. right alex ferguson thank you well no doubt robert mugabe will soon be smeared as a kremlin or beijing agent by nato nation corporate media cold war paranoia was clearly on show all week on so-called news networks like c.n.n. and the british state mandated b.b.c. as for the u.k. parliament it sometimes looked like hearings of the us house un-american activities committee in the dark according to this labor m.p. it's britain's foreign secretary boris johnson the foreign secretary told this house you see no evidence of russian interference in u.k. elections on the referendum well obviously if there was evidence we would have to really run our general election and the bricks of referendum go on yet on monday the prime minister wants russia not to meddle in western democracy and today the times reports that fake russian twitter accounts churned out thousands of messages
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in an attempt to influence the e.u. referendum result yes this labor m.p. want to debone syria and a factor support for al qaida thinks the reason britain is leaving the e.u. could be because of twitter tweets then she appeared to imply that either britain's foreign secretary is no longer privy to intelligence reports or boras himself as an agent of the kremlin because he decided not to read information produced by institutions that brought us fake reports of w m d in iraq as the foreign secretary not being kept in the dark on the intelligence had he not read it or is he willfully blind and will she now stop dragging her feet. and setup the intelligence and security committee. playing into the kremlin's attempts to undermine our tomorrow well she seems to have decided the kremlin is undermining british democracy already but maybe the company she keeps on the backbenches raises a more pressing democratic question why she and her colleagues plotted the downfall
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of their party leader jeremy corbyn the democratically elected favorite to be the next prime minister of britain after the break. twenty four hours since boris went to dublin can britain really trust island of a break that we talked to a member of teresa mayes defacto coalition and is the president of shin frame the militant turned statesman gerry adams today resigned we are switching bay north of the border is destroying northern ireland good friday agreement. coming up our troops going underground. cryptocurrency doesn't really need to replace the us dollar. the euro it just needs to survive while those. collapse under their own way and that when that happens it's going to go.
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welcome back within the past twenty four hours britain's controversial foreign secretary boris johnson has been in dublin to discuss what brics it will mean for the irish border that's while northern ireland's local government institutions created after the ira gave up the military route to irish independence are arguably in chaos with ms do you b.m.p. sammy wilson a member of the existing european union committee whose party is defacto keeping to resumes minority government in power that we welcome back to going underground so was you were hold this government in power to resume in power direct rule from
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westminster as regards northern ireland devolution finished well that there's an inevitability about the situation of how to moment fee and have to say that they don't want to participate in a northern ireland assembly mainly because they don't want to make the hard to say things that being in government requires them to me it on fortunately given the structures in northern ireland if they decide not to be in the executive then there can't be an executive and if you can't have a local executive then the only real to you know giving away little things in vain or asking for well you know that well i mean first of all the demands are making a wrong realistic and secondly they're the only party who are demanding that before they enter government that certain things be given and the reason of course why they're asking for that could but blackmail really they know they could never get them if they had to debate them and argue for them and focus on them in the assembly their republican supporters who are pretty sure why they're inviting british ministers to run northern ireland because that's a fact what they're doing the one thing you can be united about perhaps is this
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statement from the british government that james broke into northern ireland is just as you want to review northern ireland assembly politicians pay. your colleagues in the instrument little engine friends probably don't happy about that are they doing no work at all at the will for the people of new of course that's not true so i think it's a bit unfair on the central state to say that he wants to review their pay and don't forget he's been. paying shenfield millions of pints for the last ten years why they don't get it and why they are in labor while they don't sit and westminster so you know he can't have it both ways he comes a chef in numbers don't do their job with what we pay them but we pony shows exactly what ever it is shouldn't be paid if they don't turn up well well i think that's involvement as a matter of really little chef in members at westminster not only get paid for secretarial and compared a comedy it's an allowance they get paid for the money they acted out of the lies put into their job so i don't know for you to say that with like you know it was it
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let's go to the bottle they don't do their job because they don't they don't attend westminster they don't participate in those really dirty votes or live in what well you know but they are there could argue does this on the yard we have had with said step if you want to stop people's money for not doing their job then you do it at westminster as well as stormont so you could have if you don't you should do it if you do not pick and choose and of course i think this is perhaps part of the weakness of the secular state that he tends to ponder to shun feehan rather than take them on and indeed how he taken them along at a nerdy or stage we might not be in the situation we are today what do you think of this budget board six billion for northern ireland for example in two does include the billion no it doesn't work for that a was not raised of a it wasn't bribe by the way it was an allocation of money to deal with social needs in northern ireland we made a case for social needs in northern ireland and the government accepted dop and of course where they really are now get well this is just to put in perspective they have the worst child health indicators to anyone indicate is the worst of the lot
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of those really drives those are going to be argued for the extra money for northern ireland on the issue is first of all the first fifty million pints has been allocated for this year the yes but a lot of the other money depends upon the satans being we had by ministers either directly ministers or by local ministers at stormont so the money and the money of course was not already given. we're evaluating the mayor in town and you haven't got the money we'll see already how we have i mean first of all there's a commitment to the billion secondly the billion was repaid you don't the government doesn't count a hundred billion say no that's your money for the next five years it would preserve the health services. housing service you know some of the money will be no no for some of those things in fact nearly for all of the money that was for five year programs a five year program for mental health a five year program for broadband a five year program for health reform a five year program for infrastructure so as the as the the projects are brought
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forward the procurement for that was brought forward then the money will be released you see that's the way it was nowhere to be released because where it was very large is well well that's why we're saying that's why we're saying once a direct written step and then those projects will be brought forward if they do it will be to the right we will completely destroy will right william and will they have to it does destroy the good friday agreement that will well no it doesn't no good friday agreement still makes provision for that kind of siring little business does rios yes that river yes of course it was main the good friday agreement all the good friday agreement set dying was a structures for government in northern ireland and the relationship between new structures and the rest of the united kingdom also the irish republic british politicians being in dublin evaluation for a new holding up a billion pounds because of their actions what is the power of the tea shook right now in stopping brics it actually happening it is no part in the question for the irish government is this do you cooperate with the british government in leaving
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and meeting that demands of the people of the united kingdom and leaving the e.u. and work with us to make that as pinless as possible for your country or do you burnish your e.u. credentials and a lot of the bureaucrats to take it that they will make life very difficult arland will suffer more than the united kingdom will suffer and very brief you. seem to be raising the public. possibility of there being no bricks at all what is that sure about well it shows that it shows the very naive and foolish man there will be because first of all the people of the united kingdom who voted for what the government of the united kingdom is legislating for at the they're negotiating for a minute quite clear that have come the twenty ninth of march two thousand and nineteen there is still resistance to it from the european union and we will leave or noted sorry of that thank you well that was sorry wilson from the do you peeved clearly believes the chin fein are at fault when it comes to the deadlock of
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governments joining me now is shin fein m.p. from seaman lawyer who was once director of elections for irish hunger striker m.p. bobby sands friends he welcomes you going underground tell me about the petition you delivered at downing street to theresa may this week with her very important petition from the kelly family they the wife of particularly who was an independent electoral presenter from an independent country who was killed forty three years ago and his wife found their family. dirty to bring it right back to the heart of her decision making happens here in westminster and treated me as door so very important message that they are looking for truth and justice they want to see the implementation of the inquiries that active happened and the publication of those inquiries that actually he carried out they have never seen them they've never got a report about their solicitor was there as well and then every time they try to get the information is available they have been knocked back protected by the ministry of defense they don't want to see the door which is about
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a regiment of the of the british army most of the fans regiment which would largely be pretty globally largely protestant they are new news so there is an important role here for confidence in police and as well as justice that the british government do do care what actually happened and what information they have went to you do your part role that was there the night that particularly was mortared you expect resumes only kept in power by you. war former enemies as it were formerly paramilitary links do you pay you expect to resume to do something about your petition we do expect it and we expect the ministers work because the justice has to come clean and we want to see the opportunity for all the families to get justice doesn't matter what side of the community's own that whatever information is out there that people know that the police hold a special branch hold that all needs to be come clean and so that we knew exactly what happened and at whose name what happened because the feeling is on this special is that this come directly from the head of the british government well as
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i say if this isn't republicans or that this is actually yet more proof that you haven't been representing your communities properly because you still have a justice in this case at least you did get one sliver of democracy that was stormont and now you've lost that too will storm and was one thing that he was delivered out of the good friday agreement and was a means of actually trying to bring justice under bring people together to work for the future. of actively destroy this well that we haven't destroyed what we wanted was our rights b.s.t. government we wanted the executive we set up and we still want there were set up but it has to be right speech to the good friday agreement the senate under treatment and all agreements are under that rolls about implementing the good friday agreement and aspects of the good for it the negotiations have been happen the already have happened the compromises have been made and what we want is implementation what we are fine with that the d.p.
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one prepared to implement the agreements that their leaders had me of in the past and the british government on forty were backing them up because they are dependent on the union. to actually keep them in government but there has to be a clear understanding here that people need justice and if we're going to go back into an exact or if this family is going to go back up and running then we need to be confident there's a rape spaced government on exact of because unless everyone is represented within that unless the rights of everyone represent. then no one has rates at all social indicators in order not of the worst in western europe whether it be health housing whatever you do it holding up budget money that could be going to consider in northern ireland because of your. belief that stormont shouldn't host local politicians at the moment no way we're not holding up we welcome and the money comes into the the north but want to government i mean sorry wilson said maybe not but surely by not returning to power sharing in. the d.p.
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to go she is the only one is going to. negotiate this day with reason may they said it wasn't dependent on the exact have been in operation but one of the things that for a clear from the assembly was set up on the executive was set up the first thing the tory government on from there came into power was to cut the money to the other assembly they continuously with the costs and benefits cotton welfare costs in hospitals and education they have continued to be reduced and the block grant comes westminster which was should have been there twenty able to deliver force people but what they don't right away with a sturdy they actually brought in the cots that met the stanley on walkabout and couldn't have by nasa if the british government had been weiss what they were doing was whenever they got the operation and after taking so long to get an operation they would have found that to make it possible for to make changes would make it possible for they simply and these able to deliver to people but unfortunately what the family was been forced into doing was making parts because of the start because
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of the doctor and because the westminster so they were cutting off the lay plane that the assembly needed to deliver just finally the world maybe thinking about its least failure to qualify for the world cup in russia next year it's also another anniversary four years ago nearly to the day celtic football club was fined tens of thousands of euros for by you a for banners at celtic for border. and showing the image of bobby sands the british m.p. who died on august right you are his director of elections that's right just remind us about who bobby sands was well what we found was a young man who played soccer football acting and belfast in living in a protestant stance and walking with problems that come from this part interacting of a mixed marriage as well. as a young republican who was in the prison along cash who is tougher than the commanders dirty given that he was up on there and the feeder of the british
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government to actually be able to grasp the issue of the political status for prisoners and went on hunger strike to demand the political status because it was a political conflict that had been involved but a conflict the british government worked inflicting on our people and probably sounds died on hunger strike and his closing remarks were our revenge will be the laughter of archon in front of a lawyer thank you well for the show will be back on monday when despite protestations from the u.k. crown prosecution service lawyer jennifer robinson cause doubt and whether it purposely deleted e-mails to keep. track of the ecuadorian embassy in london children you can judge by social media will see you on monday designated internationally as transgender remembrance day after the nine hundred ninety nine murder of transgender woman hester in massachusetts us.
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