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man in television love the bow tie of course adel you know we over the last few days we've seen a. whole series of diplomatic activity trying to bring some kind of closure to this very long and bloody and destructive conflict in syria it's being spearheaded by the russians and the iranians and the turks they've been in consultation with other players in the region including israel and also a telephone call between putin and trump are the pieces falling into place go ahead adele well let's hope so we have. historic context. with the russian rule these two major developments in the region would have not achieved one is the celebrated and now counter version and the iranian. control over the program and second the ending of the war in syria by defeating terrorism
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it could have ended in different way if the russians the main objective as i can see is to keep the geographic go into one country of syria which is on the objectives of the other says that's important. what happened between that phone call between mr trump and mr ford and very important the superpowers because this the can actually pull the strings on regional powers that might have a different edge and i don't want to second guess where the legend is but it is very actually important that all the powers that come thirdly you mentioned iran and turkey the are the neighbors in the region and obviously there's a controversial role for iran so let's hope again some russian diplomacy would kick them into she can let me go to you in beirut to reflect about what dell said
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because you know it looks like it is going to be the political will and i thought it was very interesting was the conversation between putin and trump here can trump fulfill any kind of obligation that he would like because his administration is very divided and how to approach the closure of this conflict in syria we still hear this lingering assad must go i worry about that the political will on the west i think that putin wouldn't have come out with the iranians and the turks to be didn't think he had something more or less nailed down with of course assad going along with it go ahead come in beirut. well obviously american you cannot count on them in this because in the beginning they declared the war and and these feeder and those terrorist organization and they didn't fell for any commitment of the opposite they helped these these and that into the last minute and the war and i will come that we know for fact that they have been helping. as
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a certain route so here you really count what is taking place on the ground on the ground there is a victorious power there emerged from the confrontation again stacia basically the count beheaded by bye bye bye bye syrian by the russian by the rainy and now able to move surgically removed at least militarily from from syria obviously there's a security and of it and there is the big question will the american rock was draw their forces because the government of president bashar al assad declare him as a legal entity so far the american do not deal with that issue mean there actually. they don't want the war to end supposed to be and they don't want the political process to go and they don't want the political process to continue as
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it's supposed to so there is a lot of doubt when it comes to america especially when it comes to don really you cannot trust what donald trump say today because he could change the dynamic of his tone but in the and i don't think a lot of people on the ground they can the american seriously they work in to actually to the end to make sure that first they liberate all syria and then they go into another venue where they start the dialogue to have a political discussion you know danny i fear that you. and if we do get to some kind of peace process. the trumpet ministration will somehow take credit for it but what i do worry about here in adele mentioned in his opening comments is this approach to a. sovereign syria whole syria but at the same time we have the pentagon coming out and saying they're not leaving militarily any time soon that is another huge
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barrier to having some kind of peace process go ahead danny i mean absolutely but if you look at the groups the u.s. is working with and relying on to have their presence in syria and that is the best year for the kurds the kurds actually have quite a consistent recent history of giving back territory to the syrian government and i'm sure that in the wake of what is a quite victorious syrian military in his border and the russians and the iranians the kurds will definitely think twice about keeping some of these areas which will in the future continue to jeopardize the u.s. is its presence within syria i can't see the u.s. having forces in syria for a long time because the if you look at the trajectory of the crisis now and the nature of how the syrian forces were victorious the u.s. really has nothing to leave their troops in for because the majority of terrorism is almost on the way of being defeated and i think the u.s. is just doing this just to save face because we discussed donald trump on it from
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the syrian military airbase which was you know twenty thirty kilometers away from isis so he's not someone who's fought terrorism successfully within syria and what they're doing at the moment is just literally attempting to show the world that they have some sort of a symbolic presence because after the russians intervened in september two thousand and fifteen they complete the balance of powers on the ground in syria has drastically begun to change if you look back at the previous years in the situation in which the country and the government were actually end it was diabolical the half of the country was lost it was a it was defeat after defeat after us. plans for intervention and arming rebels and helping them and now you look at the situation it's it's a complete whitewash because yeah you've got one force on the ground in the syrian military which is now continuing to make advances and actually find some sort of military solution in a crisis where you know did anyone thought that was know and done it was possible let me go to
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a down here because i think it is you know if you look at western mainstream media the united states is crushing isis in syria and there's no mention of you know iran there's no mention of his blog and if it is it's always negative there's very little mention of russia or of course they probably committed human rights violation it's really remarkable how this is being spun in western media go ahead adele yeah it's. laughable actually she is here for part of this western media but i think it's important issue to focus on a. until recently the americans specifically under obama the weren't quite serious about fighting terrorism fighting i said in fact the questions in the congress that some of the funding found its way and some of the weapons found it's only one of the websites. and that there are a lot of the weapons and we never found out who financed that they were to pick up the rocks and send them it's but we're out of here now what's important now really
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. the americans hopefully will have learned the lesson of iraq yes he pulled out of iraq but look at iraq now so the important thing is you must work with the russians because the other main force the in order to have rican cellier between different forces of course isolated these damage there is they should have been left i agree with danny that the kurds skipping territory for exchange for other political gains because you do not want to upset the. russians and their ricans the syrian president assad and the turks obviously the turks always suspicious of the kurds so they will give back the territory definitely for exchange of some political security and the role to play and here comes the lesson of iraq which is now descended into almost civil war and that the kurds we defeated i still about to try it with this year are controlled government in baghdad so we do not want that
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to happen in syria quickly conciliation other things doing grid job conferences and regardless what we think of the negative american rules well at least in the end maybe an outside one of the thing and we got to go back to beirut again one of the things that really bothers me when the last time we even had something remotely close to this there was a cease fire that had been agreed to and then the us attacked syrian forces i mean completely turned everything upside down all the gains that were gain up to that point were destroyed more mutual suspicions and even hostility here are you worried something like this could happen because the u.s. is staying in there are they going to have to do something or leave go ahead basically my my my ask them at the syrians so far declare that the forces american forces are illegal in syria. the clear is still i think you probably would lend. so
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that by itself as an obstacle to what the american basically tried to say they want us they have to mean they making the obstacle to the peace process the syrian actually insists and liberating all of their land and having all their land there was just text and my ass the american want to buy and they don't want to leave easily from syria they're there are probably there they're their approach on the doctor had failed and court just done because they're probably they bush. declared and depend on that income to his back and right on my ass the minute he they can the bush the current in syria they can make it like a game can i have my name as the man. that russia and i have to jump in here we're going to have to go to a hard break and after that hard break we'll continue our discussion on syria staying with our team.
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this don't think so these are the other obstacles here go ahead danny i completely agree i mean i mean we have to separate the israeli interest from the saudi arabian interests but saudi arabia will continue to have an intransigent stalled stance towards the crisis in syria as it has done throughout because syria for saudi arabia it's an issue of national security and the huge faces in saudi arabia from policy in syria have actually reflected so negatively on the state that it's now beginning to lash out to read to me as being to lash out in the media even if the complete you know the arab spring peter if you look at it it was stopped in syria if if they are spring managed to get rid of the syrian government this would have continued on until we had a completely new middle east but it was stopped in its tracks in syria and that was a way that the aim i mean syria was it was such an important country reach indeed
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from a geopolitical level it was it was a gateway to iran it will have a huge strategic significance because of its border with israel and its influence in lebanon so saudi arabia won't stop until it can. it is it's completely bankrupt and spent in terms of the syria crisis radius for example they have a very i would actually say that within syria and that is to continue this. kind of conflict on the borders between each other and the syrian military continue to target hizbollah targets within within syria but i don't think the israelis want more intervention i just think that they want to have a clear viewpoint of what's happening on the syrian side from the sense that hizbollah is their main enemy but saudi arabia will turn. until it completely see the destruction of assad even though it's lost and that's the issue here saudi arabia has failed diplomatically because it's had no faith in diplomacy it would
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have at the start of the crisis had a peace process or or a negotiation or a dialogue with the radiance this wouldn't even happened but they chose this pathway in the end it ended in an absolutely stunning and embarrassing defeat for saudi arabia and its allies in the region which is why this proximity with is present at the moment and that is to attempt to undercut the iranian influence in the region and ok. you mentioned you mentioned iran let me go to adel because it always goes back to iran here ok so what are the pieces on the board here we have the american military that says it's going to maintain its presence and it's not given a real justification except to keep make sure there isn't isis two point zero ok fine well being there might create it ok that's what usually happens ok and also we have the israelis which i would say at the very least want to see a destabilized syria they can capitalize on that and we have the saudis that will
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not leave any stone unturned here and then we have someone like donald trump has already been said on the program he might change his mind after his golf game we don't know i find this adel to be extremely dangerous even though we have i think the pieces coming together to cede some light at the end of the tunnel but there are some people that want to keep the darkness there and go ahead and. see i have to be a careful not to second guess because we in the media unless really we have a whole picture sometimes we get leaked in fairly sure that it's fairly you know it's fair there's a real in there now i've probably slightly disagree with that with where with that any on the saudi arabia serbia which wasn't in their interest for the so-called arab spring which i don't call it that way anyway to continue because they are stable monarchies they don't actually like that so stopping in syria is in their interest now let's look into the american presence american press actually is not sanctioned by the u n unlike the russian which was invited by the legal un the
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cognized government of syria so the americans are in a weak legal point there let's look at to this over the visit to russia and meeting with president putin what action was agreed there something very interesting syria must have been discussed so the mutual interests of the two the more destructive rules more qatar who would actually punching above their weight rather than saudi arabia and israel yes i agree i remember once and israeli of so thick a meter the border was level and said this is our front line with iran so they have the all who is have this insecurity they all have in the back of their mind rightly or wrongly that hezbollah wants their total destruction so their interest is largely different from syria from saudi arabia home have seen or any an intervention because let's not forget the islamic revolution was for exports the
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three circles that khomeini wanted so the second circle is exporting it to the arab countries where there's shia minority the give the shia to uprise we have the during the program is a problem so slightly different problems there as seen from syria point of view and i'm almost certain this issue with. discussed when once a month ago maybe a visit more school and there's some green it must be the beach ok i agree with you adele i'm going to come in. ok go ahead jump in the audience a point of the program go ahead just pretty quickly in the sense if you look at the region you look saudi arabia is this is iran iran's best ally in the region and syria by huge distance by huge miles so it's definitely in saudi arabia to be of interest from the inception of the so-called arab spring to make sure that this country has huge problems and is in a period of instability because it's crucial for of for its own national interests
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and it's prolonged regional war with iran so i would absolutely one hundred percent rest by the fact that saudi arabia wanted an arab spring in syria because if they didn't have that spring the iranian influence would be even stronger than it already is i'm not i think i see it i see it i see i see it. i think we're all we have maybe different different definitions of arab spring here let me go to camel here in beirut i'm really glad that adel brought up the visit of the saudi king to moscow and obviously they talked about syria here i guess what really interests me is that when one you recognize what your interests are pragmatically but then you see an opportunity and you want to throw the dice i think that's what bothers me because it is as danny is pointed out i mean if you look at the saudi foreign policy the last few years it goes from one blunder from one catastrophe to another and there doesn't seem to be stopping even though they understand that they have these national interest visa v.
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has and syria here is saudi arabia to such a trustworthy enough partner and go ahead in beirut. well obviously. not happy about what is taking place. they feel that they lost the battle of this big battle for years they've been supporting the opposition in syria they've been supporting the opposition or whatever the activity that was taking place in in iraq so now you have you have that road that a lot of these country were afraid that in the fight so basically all. of lebanon and they were not successful either i think the point for the cod is to make a compromise and well you know we would be really nice if they war in the air and yeah thank you thank you for four of them absolutely i'm glad you mentioned yemen
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delegate were rapidly want to i'm going to ask all three of you what about the future of assad because if you look at some of the communication coming out i guess for from sochi there is going to be political reform what does it mean to you because i'm sure it means something else to the americans go ahead adele. yeah it's an interesting point actually of us that because the american your opinion expansion leaves only one for the russian fleet which is in fact that has to be respected as feed of interest and ok gentlemen were robbed of time and i want to ask all three danny same question posed basically this is a political process the product of by democratic process i think we'll leave it to the people of syria i think. because he has a proving that he has the interests of the country and i think in preserving the well just gentlemen after so many years the syrian people should finally be given a voice and finally given
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