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oh in welcome across top we're all things considered i'm peter lavelle double cross you would think so if you were a kurd also just how many u.s. troops are in syria and why and the living hell that is the. cross talking some real news i'm joined by my guest mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have victor old levitch he is a political analyst as well as a leading expert. the center for actual politics and of course we have dmitri

bobbitt he's a political analyst with nick international originally cross-talk rules in effect as usual i want to there's so much to talk today but we can't overlook thomas friedman's article in the new york times so do you really be an arab spring at last and that's why he's gentlemen this article is breathtaking for so many reasons your immediate takeaway after reading your cursor somebody who'll give or chance. before the second iraq war this is somebody who told the american public about the chemical biological and nuclear weapons programs. progressing with . unbeatable speed in iraq what's the result of that hundreds of thousands of people dead from the american occupation and what happened after that with isis and everything else and today friedman is claiming that they're just reading like

a publicist crown prince of saudi arabia has been like that the point is friedman has been a propagandist for for for decades for his whole entire career and we see that and we see that with this article this is the new. so the king to be made to the pretender to the throne is. is showing that is he is a progressive well you know especially for money and treatment it shows himself to be a pretend journalist go ahead exactly you guys are reading this all wrong this this torrid love letter was one of the most heartfelt. examples of of truth holler and right. between they can exist the platonic love that can exist between two men. i think this goes beyond bromance i think what we need to say about this is that i mean thomas

friedman is the new york times favorite pro globalization pro empire columnist he is embarrassing the new york times at the very least the new york times could have gotten some advertising revenue and made saudi arabia pay for this think of and see the friedman even said mohammed bin saw him and instructed me not to write i mean this is a journalist this is a way this is good this is journalism at its very best in the west right on the head well i just love this story about prince mohammed bin so on throw in some of these princes into a deal did you that is rich culture and hold them and they started to cough up some money you know mr friedman forgets that also the lebanese prime minister had to have an unplanned vacation in saudi arabia for eighteen days or one has to wonder how much he was squeezed or it was a lovely and there that the lebanese prime minister has

a lot of business interests with the saudis and the embarrassment is that the european press noticed it and basically the french president marker on even the french press admits it was not a big gain for but crawl actually they were both humiliated by mohamed bin someone you know the lebanese prime minister saad hariri and the french president and let me tell you that this is not further the first time that western press is enthusiastic about people throwing people in jail and then getting money from them saakashvili did the same thing with shevardnadze especially with origin and they had nothing but praise for him now mohamed bin someone you know this and take corruption dr. about which friedman writes that a lot of soldiers who had nothing but if if use of support for their section well if you don't have a future support for it but you're in trouble here you're not going to be just of all knowledge. and you're going to get down he's walked the phrase the arab spring

is a brand a failed idea that most leverage and it was as it was called the sunni winter and whether you knew it was it is a growth of islamism and attacks on christian orthodoxy across the you know the middle east and north africa but thomas friedman by referring to mohamed bin solomon's purges and murders to secure the crown for himself as the arab spring in saudi arabia puts the final nail in that tire and he is in sydney where i hope our viewers know what i'm talking about victor going to have to go check we have to move gears we're going to talk about the kurds going to finish their apps bring with it let. us it's disintegration in the middle east it's wars in libya in syria in other parts of the each and nothing good and i think we're going to refer all of our readers to robert fisk slater's thing victor just said there u.s. foreign policy in the middle east doesn't exist anymore well just

a small conclusion. almost treatments us arab spring you know. came on roller skates thomas friedman the supreme columns old aircraft be they're all focused treatments a new way in there of the world. with you know with personas reputation with his failure in lebanon with his failure in his policy in the yemen with his other failures inside saudi arabia no greed from from friedman is going to succeed is there a petition ok ok gentlemen what's going on donald trump has told his new friend now the president of turkey that the u.s. will no longer be supporting the kurds in northern syria according to according to u.s. . ok i think everything i said was true and now we gets a little blurry this is according to our. and his regime in turkey he says that. donald trump promised him in a phone call that he would stop supplying arms to the kurds which which the turks

refer to in syria as kurdish terrorists quote unquote here's the problem here is the u.s. has made similar promises to turkey before and they lied and they continued supplying arms to trump couch this with twitter tweets once again reiterating that what he refers to as the bringing peace to the mess he inherited there and that what a mistake in lives and six trillion dollars worth and the lesson is most important however. mattis. and the pentagon which are really running military and foreign policy may not be on the same page and according to the wall street journal military spokesman named again military officials have said that they do not they have not received any instructions on this matter and even if they were to stop supplying arms to the kurds they could continue supplying them to

the syrian democratic forces which are also so they say her. tribe is a it's a foreign policy of one man look what happened was there was a summit. in sochi of course the americans felt. russia has slighted them with its own much more successful policy in the syria policy if you go to stabilizing that age and not making it more chaotic what the americans were doing for the last six years and actually much longer than that for that case and so tom felt that he had to say something to. in that conversation to make him the more i am in the boat to american wishes and have promised him something concerning the kurdish clubs but what we what we know about it is what have the americans looking been helping the curate's anyway in

that region because the americans want a stake in syria be asleep they want to be in a position in northern syria to dictate some of the terms of the civil war setting an end to justify their presence there you're assuming that you know what terry has according to early dawn thirteen military bases illegally without syrian permission in northern syria without anyone's permission the unit we're looking at you look at all the usual going to the main areas of the i agree with victor that it was important that the iranian turkish and russian leader met in sochi and in fact they're now deciding the fate of syria and they're deciding what the outcome of the civil war is going to be i think the fate of syria will be of course just decided by syrians themselves but what is important is that these so-called high negotiations has more walked in riyadh into just that committee for negotiations and for the first time the so-called cairo platform and more schools are included

these are the real moderates the people who have been supporting a dialogue with president asad since the beginning ok there are only eight of them there are eight from the so-called national syrian coalition supported by the west in the media you have a lot of other groups including some that simply were ignored by the west for many years but the block in stake in this is eleven votes so if cairo and more school platforms if they manage to get three on their side they will have a blocking stake in the long locks on them and just one more thing that barked at you know there is nothing more embarrassing if our god becomes a friend or a trump there is nothing more serious. and then trumps friendship let me remind you of that in july this year mr trump and saw that the lebanese prime minister was on this visit to washington. raised him for resisting hezbollah look people go to jail that has always actually four hundred one hundred so it was like brazen you know

that was just a theory is that we just have never really thinks he's going to become time's friends for one simple reason he is a you know there will be there to be understands the times words. was much not there's anything that words are worth anything either but. the important thing is that yes russia has all these accomplishments on the ground there are trying to move towards a political settlement if they can separate erdogan from al-qaeda which which doesn't seem likely to me and if the but the us game is not over yet when mad dog mattis the secretary of defense who is really running us in military foreign policy according to our president says we're not going to just a what walk away with right now even though isis is military defeated in eastern syria their last territorial acquisitions there have have have evaporated and now we have the word out that the leaks that the u.s. military is about to admit that they have far more troops up to four hold that

thought mark we're going to go to a short break and after a short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news staying with our team .

i says was it to. americans by the israelis unfortunately by financial support of some. sort of contraries in the sun for making them unsafe you delete it. welcome back to crossfire all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. over the last few days we had movement on the anti russian front in europe taken away well there was this so-called eastern partnership summit or the e.u. states and there by john armenia amel doorbell rose georgia you know the former soviet republics which border one of the european union and the almost top and

trying to make enemies of russia out of them i mean officially at this summit they said that this is not directed against russia but i think there is a me the prime minister of britain who had a very strong would not do this you know here's what she said we must be open to the actions of hostile states like russia which threaten these european potential and attempt to tear apart our collective strength. you know what i just feel really remarkable about that is that the forces within the e.u. itself are tearing itself apart no one no one has to push it along all you need to do is watch go ahead you know. somebody will travel at home and there she needs a boogie man to blame it on and it's a good. time is always a good idea because it's really bad limits can disagree but there's another point you know britain actually kept it worse relationship with the soviet union during

the cold war and then the americans so it's no surprise that london today is pushing for another you know for even more confrontational with russia there is another point of course unlike most other european states and like germany and like italy france britain actually cares very little trade just like the united states has very little trade with moscow so it has very little to lose and it's. to push those european countries that do have something to lose to lose that that's what it's starting to do just like the it's it amazing you know you have the british prime minister trying to dictate european foreign policy and you would negotiate in bragg's that it's a time it's really remarkable this is a in the british government in this still of this post-imperial decline trying to pretend to relevance and foreign matters that they simply no longer have especially after break that and frankly with brags that i'm simply waiting for them to say oh it was a rush of bots fault and we had said it only said everybody they were there's

a list of it surely i'm waiting for them to cancel this. eastern european partnership is a more concerning matter what's driving this is an atlanticist ideology it's a geo politically expansionist ideology that the clear is that europe should be all one basically under brussels rule with their value system you got a cut of the value from lisbon to the year olds and beyond and let's be honest this is an ideology of political expansion in the e.u. is focused on expanding its borders and they're not going we are going to be there not at the tossing of. human bush are you going to as well not yet but if they know it's a definite it's the second thing is going to be as this points out the way this sentiment i think was really. and i will put it because the final statement they required member states strategic communications which would be by god again calling

to be in russian disinformation that you know you know all the time you're probably no not pressing concerns to them quite a knotty ok and they required ukraine and moldova to fight against russian influence but they didn't promise even the remote possibility of your membership mr john called you opening the summit said that this is not. day gender and what to do as in may what she said was it was specially of stalin and for me talking about atlantis aside all she said we should not underestimate the enduring attraction or western society to the possibly a state where we should not even underestimate the you're an attraction of prince mohammed bin so i want to form a friedman no will fight them attraction should be underestimated but at the rig of course to the people there thousands of lives the ukrainian disaster was actually the result of east. eastern neighborhood should be you if they were the main driver

stop them i don't know how you're nationals related settling just trying to we are the prime ministers of all european country as the e.u. countries have to meet and spend these in there is discussing how to shut. the poor people here i mean you know where the mouse that roared here i want to change gears or something very important was going on with this being the live things will be held in the south korea in two thousand and eighteen in that looks like there are again on the agenda is to push russia so. the confrontation between can you call the words you know rose up again between the united states and russia the americans have started pushing these he's dropping accusations and we know it's the americans and it's some of the canadian airlines they have pushing these building accusations against the russian olympic team we've seen this in one thousand eight hundred but then they were more honest they didn't blame the soviet union for dogging the just

said the world there is a war in afghanistan that is why we're not being to come to moscow and we're not going to let then you are ellis come to moscow and then in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight i mean he doesn't even in the only but today we have a situation where there is really no hard evidence. or a state sponsored doping there's a. pearson who is actually under investigation for fraud. his name is. who is now under witness protection in the u.s. he he wanted to commit a crime exactly yes he sampras with the evidence and now he's participating in all these propaganda exercises against russia. so there is a man here he's been flipped yes there's a maximum and minimum programme makers want at this point the next goal is to have the russian olympic team banned from taking part of the olympics just before the

presidential elections in russia it is sort of embarrassing russia this way in the medium oh cool is to create such a near where sadness fear where russia is going to have to fight for every single athlete and for every single you know sports. competition to participate. if this will actually sort of law is there anything in there like their ability to do any of this of course is that the olympic games there's supposed to be the gold standard of competition well ok and the very best the best and all i see is this again in extension of this propaganda and what kind of winter olympics can you have without a russian team which i think i went through a long picks where western nations went hockey that's where. i mean doesn't it devalue every single gold and silver and bronze medal it devalues it because you'll never know if you were able to compete against the very very best i want to cover some more ground here mark you've been kind of quite well on the olympics tell us

what's going on in the you. and we're going to get some different opinions here. a bit of what i consider an extremely embarrassing incident in the lugansk republican as it is which is basically just the city of the guns and their own yeah yeah one third of of the actual guns were public. that is free from this. west back porch forces the nominal president of the self declared republic but since getting someone who. i think it would be generous to say he has the charisma of a wet paper towel he has been involved in the internal disputes of powers with the interior secretary in charge of the police corps nets and this has resulted in what seems to be a change of leadership in the gun suter bad kind of direction we saw on one hand it

certainly shows the people of lugansk and their the authorities there have more independence from russia than the did anyone has been giving them credit for on the other hand it's extremely embarrassing to them and it shows that there's a very chaotic situation there and it bodes ill for you know the west pushing ukraine to try to settle the matter militarily but on the other hand clinton's key was not really loved by anyone and we may be better off with him gone someone more charismatic and go and done yet his equivalent in guns might lead. to a little bit more success i think that. you know the west was very disappointed because the press that they backed that you could point me. to went to russia that's the dream that they all go to russia that's hash tag fake news but it was fake news because appointments d. is going to represent will go six people's republic at the negotiations can means

from now on. i think what happened is indeed not very good but the reason for it i'm sorry but these are the actions over the west because they did not ask and ask to have elections they have been denying these places the right to have elections since two thousand and fourteen their idea. is that it would have security which means. having ukrainian or u.s. troops on the border the runner which means total brigade because since january ukraine is not supplying even electricity and water they can't for three years see what the saudis have done to you and then you present legally you want to do this here thing these republics get their food and water and electricity from russia not because russia wants to you know to feed them but because he of course got all the supplies you know and if they had elections they would have had a more legitimate government with which such things would not be possible but also

please bear in mind that actually the enemy speaks the same language they watch the same television as you did this is a civil war they went to the same school with you so people i did ask not because they are cowards but because it me is the same nation the same people as them there is a list of their visions that are being a very important piece of this in this entire confrontation that we have seen all of us clear out were the worst week now the single person was here it or died and that's very different from what's happening in the ukraine for example and here were people get shot where people were politicians we have human rights organizations turn a blind object we will be right i wish it were politicians are being mean and and killed and arrested and held without bail and without trial so that's a very stark difference and also we have to keep it in context there this in the

people's republic is were just several million people live there are tens of thousands of people who have died over the last few years because the ukrainian forces supported by that were supported by the united states supported by the e.u. care of conducted a massive campaign with bombardments of civil and there's really a reeking with. us. goals one simply answer the answer yes or say president poroshenko is killing his executive and leaving the room and i will run out of time fascinating discussion many thanks to my guests here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here argue see you next time and remember. the village of collect she has been nicknamed sleepy hollow because for some unknown reason its local residents have found victim to sleep pathetic.

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