it's clear connection to my my memories when i was a child seeing the news and when they did they would follow on like. ten seven fifteen disappears you know people that were disappeared during dictatorship in these mass graves and he was a gigantic call on the ground you know so when i saw the pieces on the floor i said wow this is this is this is like that this is it is is more like a connection to the people who died in the twin towers rather rather than just a connection to the to the footprint of the pieces when my base of have a political comment is because by connecting different objects and different context or different pieces of history you create a narrative and the narrative is socially connected to political issues i think it's important to be political and it's important to protest and it's

important to think art can change the world but it is a slow process you know that's what i always think and that and i think a spirit for you not to think that it might take two hundred years for your piece to be. part of. the change will be but little by little the next objects mission looks not only transportation failing to post nine eleven but you should to potential human rights abuses that came with ever growing state control i want to cap phillips cannot fill it to studio to oscar about their peach head of state by two thousand and seven. a lot of legislation was being changed very rapidly like domestic legislation. by blair's government. and a lot of it was curtailed ng civil rights the right to protest. there

was a lot of increase in police surveillance of civil groups. and we were very much as citizens as artists and very much the general public so all these issues were. very big on our sort of list of inspirations of what's networked so the piece is very much about challenge or a natural. disaster that had unfolded in iraq from the invasion and the ongoing up patients and how it also impacted on british domestic public the world is made up of newspapers printed on print and and newspapers. and all of the imagery and all the figurative imagery is also from press photographers so we were trolling through endless. image files that were coming out

of the news agencies which is what we've been doing in the previous many folks we're going to rock and this time we were looking a lot at what was happening domestically the same time and we were looking at. imagery of prisons because the prison services are being rapidly privatized as well before us military contractors and private security sector was on the rise massively. we were looking at those a lot of. development in surveillance technology at that time as well. which we were trying to look at but it's quite is quite hidden thing is well there's a big c.c.t.v. camera that sort of sprung in the middle of the work of three meters by three meters in the future. mass with c.c.t.v. cameras coming up there's also individuals in the john childs the man is.

he was murdered. by the british police without any apology and his staff follows straight after the what they call the seven seven bombings in london that was in two thousand and five. and his death is kind of like evidence of the the disaster of intelligence being built as of i mean in a panicked way so this was the pieces were representing the destructive nature of reactionary reactive behavior by the authorities and you could say the same thing about the u.s. response to nine eleven as well reactive this. is ended in such a huge monumental the ongoing unfolding disaster that we're still in. the long terror ever meet a valid killing machine with a reported fifteen thousand civilians killed by american drones around the world i

spoke to jim bricks in mexico about why he depicted a drone on an afghan rug the predator h.r.h. years ago i was interested. in on a comment. kind of really distancing the experience of war is something that struck me initially when i was a kid watching the gulf war and it was kind of this televised made for t.v. war footage of just these crosshairs and targets and so i began investigating how to make how to make it into a carpet because i saw the carpet as being something that were. representative of. social history and the culture of. the middle east and specifically iran and afghanistan so i began researching how to make these carpets but in two dozen thirteen i had a chance actually traveled to afghanistan and i made contact was in garbage makers you know this is years later so drones are just now i'm sure it's the scene and i

decided to work with that as a scene i came across a chart that depicted all the drones currently in use by the militaries across the world and i began discussing with the car the makers as to how to how to transform that into from a graphic that's on computer screen into something that's actually had made how do the people of afghanistan feel about the drones the your the page thing well when we did interviews in two thousand and thirteen and when i returned to their teen. i don't speak dari that i like to speak there now working with translators and listening to the videos i mean people war is is unfortunate part of their their daily lives. you know so i think what was surprising to me. was the opinions about americans about the u.s. you know in in in the united states like the kind of liberal position is that it's an invasion in afghanistan it's not seen that way certainly in the south in the

pashtun areas that it's there's a lot of just like towards towards united states but also i think you know your people are trying to make a meeting might have a very different opinion you know people who are farming the land people who're. making these cards you were making other crafts they were there just trying to survive and you know if their religious suddenly invaded by or turned into a training camp for the taliban you know the drones are actually a good thing so i think it's important to kind of realize the complexity of the place and. yet it that the u.s. senate runs that have come in our innocence in this but i think in general ward seen is that you know some people don't like the imagery because it reminds them of the constant conflict their countries don't and since the late seventy's the final theme of the exhibition not only looks at the destruction of thousands of homes by nato was in the middle east but the mental and physical damage done to the soldiers

who are returning home of the fighting the tony blair and george bush jamal penn twenty is an iraqi kurdish artist peace looks at the legacy of saddam hussein and is this projected to show the war going to show their people there's a knot in by killing only forgot because the system and the. the ideology of saddam was inside the people and also in the psychology of the people i think after saddam there's money others who don't you can do scream project in around all the middle east which is in libya and syria and as a country you cannot like a change a country by just take all that that leader my project. in team. has one of my low level of the pro ticket because this project will show. the other side of we are with the league everyday hair house even when i was

a very old city in india but on that i'm mara. she was only alone in the very be little and all palace but destroyed by war and used to it by all the war what's happening yet it's still now she told me one day this house that's full of the life on toulouse of hope. all of that beautiful stories but one to live day only here along still in this house and a imagine how you can like change by even a tide that by picture you can change is like a change one thing is as i want to trim i bring my all hair i'm really around here dancin as lecompte alive she have a past you've. lived in types of homes you see hope and. joy many things joining in after nine eleven in the middle east especially in iraq

and libya even in cannes another country there is the many problems came and even for the future when something has happened with. we have got the action program pl all the tour people was not jurist. all that that people want not that all the good people are not good by reaction and by acting change of mind of people even itis even outside there came from their reaction of the people and destroyed the minds of people and washing the minds of people to become like that many of this people who did. was part of the political thought of the united states and part of the politics of their. countries who that was supported by the united states was the part of the mid in the midst and when you live in this war and you

can see the reality the news media only can show that they that one side of the live. media cannot cover letter that we're live on that people. and always showed at harkness but behind all the war behind all the problem is there is the money money at that. and you can see the light inside and you can see that hole inside the. devastated is a massive impact of that speaking to iraq he cut a shot at jamal penn join me and that's it for the show we'll be back on wednesday when we offload morris the former attorney general to tony blair about britain's international irrelevance it's losing its seat at the international court of justice or the boss few days till then people talk about social media will feel wednesday seventy two years to the day of the establishment of the republic of yugoslavia before nato nations bombed and destroyed the country in the one nine

hundred ninety s. obviously then rewriting history to blame individuals at un courts instead of rapacious neo con humanitarian interventions is something. everybody i'm stephen ball task hollywood guy suspects every proud american first of all i'm just george washington and r.v. . this is my buddy max famous financial guru where she's a little bit different i'm not. going to try not to run your windows up with all the drama happening in our country i'm shooting the road have fun meet everyday americans. and hopefully start to bridge the gap this is the great

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