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tv   Cross Talk  RT  November 29, 2017 5:30pm-6:01pm EST

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hello and welcome to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle candidate trump was criticized for not having a coherent understanding of global affairs indeed he largely dismissed the foreign policy elites a year after his election in since his inauguration is there such a thing as a trumpy in view of the international system. across
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talking the world according to trump i'm joined by my guest george samuel in new york he is a fellow at the global policy institute of london metropolitan university and author of the book bombs for peace in miami we have highbury he is the washington d.c. coordinator for the woman led peace in social justice movement code pink and in berkeley we have john walsh he is a scientist peace activist and author of numerous anti-war publications are gentlemen cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate john let me go to you first because you got up early as for this program i much appreciate it. if we're if we look at cam the campaign trail we look at candidate trump and we look at his foreign policy eleven months in here first of all there's a great discrepancy but is there any coherence to his foreign policy in respect of what he ran on from the time he was inaugurated to now do you see
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a trumpy in vision out there go ahead john. then it's a really difficult question because as you noted there are powerful forces against the vision that here take you lated such as it was during the campaign and i think maybe it's good to go back to that for a second because i'm especially interested in how. american progressives are reacting to his clearly what were themes of peace and so let's can we can we go back to that for just a second in the in the campaign donald trump said in the primaries where he was confronting a really a rather hawkish base he wanted to get along with russia progressives dismissed that as so much talk but if you think about it why would he say that to an audience that would not like the message he the only thing that would do and the
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only thing it did do was lose him votes so he wasn't saying it out of opportunism so that was genuine the idea of especially getting along with russia. a simple way to say it but really do you need to say much more was genuine and other things were genuine to the progress of should have applauded like the trans-pacific partnership which the progressives the been working against for years and years and. then on the first day and there was a silence no one said hey that's good maybe we can work together and actually bernie sanders did ok all right really understanding let me let me let me go to george now in new york here but george on almost everything else i'm glad that john mentioned those things here i brought my own little short list here pretty much stayed the course in the middle east the tragedy of yemen in there which is you know a disgrace to humanity and everyone involved in it should be ashamed of themselves it's awful what's going on there afghanistan stay the course ok he did leave the
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iran nuclear deal or in the process the only thing that barack obama did right in foreign policy as far as i can tell arming ukraine syria is a mixed bag north korea of course the tensions we have there which is a lot more complicated than the mainstream media want to talk about and of course as john has pointed out u.s. russia relations are dead in the water go ahead george. yes that's absolutely right by and large he hasn't affected any serious change in u.s. foreign policy but there are indications that he would like to effect some kind of a serious change i mean despite all of the criticisms that he is on the for his suppose that friendliness toward russia even though there's no evidence for it. and despite the fact that he's facing a serious prospect of impeachment over his supposed. traitorous attitude toward
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russia he has maintained a friendly stance towards russia. he didn't need to meet with putin he did meet it with him and then he didn't need to. talk to the press and tell them that he thinks of relations with russia is a good thing and not a bad thing so he took a considerable political risk in doing that and that would indicate to me that he is interested in improving relations with russia so it's a credible a mixed bag we don't yet know how things will evolve i mean you can take a more optimistic view that this is still the first year of a trumpet ministration and that he may decide to go his own way in the second and third years and actually go with his instinct which i think is to improve relations with russia george let me get it in miami you do say go his own way i think that's a very interesting way of looking at it inside the thing is that it's not good if
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trump wants to go is own way or not is if he's going to be allowed to can i think this is what i look at is not necessarily policy but the institutional barriers that are in front of him this is what he faces more than anything else personally i think he would like to rebuild america the him but i believe all that stuff he had to say infrastructure stop like that ok and i think it's something he understands. foreign policy well when he was had the lebanese prime minister right next to me he started criticizing his blog and everybody kind of broke out in laughter hezbollah is part of the government ok but what about the institutional obstacles that are in the way of any kind of trompe and worldview go ahead. well first we came into this trump presidency thinking he would be an isolationist and he would take us out of foreign wars and the fact is that he's got us deeper and deeper in barack obama's war as you stated rightly peter this shameful horrific human rights violating
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catastrophe that's going on in yemen but what i see is i see trump the big business man and i see that he's his idea of foreign policy is tweeting name calling and arming to the teeth these oligarchs in in saudi arabia and causing havoc there is now two thousand soldiers u.s. soldiers we found out in syria these are the trump administration is all over the place they don't have a foreign policy the only foreign policy is coming from generals and generals in his cabinet are the ones that are holding him back they're the ones who are actually the same ones in the room is supposedly but i think that trump the idea of going becoming more friendly with russia is a great idea we want to be have friends around the world but we can't do it when you've got a media that so controlled and it's so headstrong on their idea of deciding what
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our foreign policy should be foreign policy should come from our governments we should have more control in congress over this this out of control president we see more we see him try denouncing the iran agreement which is a great foreign policy the one of the best things barack obama did getting us into this pulling out of cuba over this so-called hoax of of. sonic thing yeah it's ridiculous ok i mean the whole thing is just a joke you know john you know one of the things that came out was a story last week you know when it when apparently the president of the united states that was speaking to the turkish prime. when you said that the u.s. wouldn't be sponsoring the kurds in the north of syria and then you come from the state department the pentagon they say they hadn't heard anything about it this is what i'm getting at is that he may have ideas but it doesn't go much further the oil oval office it seems like go ahead john well. it is first of all anybody who
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thought that the trumps presidency would bring peace to the world on every front was well i. was dreaming that's not what he said as not what he promised and that's not what we should expect i think i think well yes but i think that. to go back to first of all there is some progress in syria that the trump and and putin did arrange the ceasefire in southwest syria the situation there is improved dramatically now they're their forces against that but that's their trump did meet twice with putin once in hamburg and once in southeast asia even though there was a lot of pressure not to do that the atmospherics at those meetings were very good even though there was pressure against all that and the other thing we have to look
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at is president xi the atmospherics there are very good i think you know to go back to the tepee that was not just a bad economic deal that was part of that was the economic part of the economic military confrontation with china trump got rid of it and i think rightly that you have to put so i'm not looking for i'm not looking for everything and the problem is i have you know i would offer a very simple thing here. he's president now. and it's not an election and i think that you have to do a very simple thing that the policies and the things that he does that you oppose oppose them fine likely the first three ugly things that you think but there are things if you if he does something you support you should say so because without that support he won't be able to continue it is a great sin i think that's
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a great let me question gentlemen i want to push back a little bit what john had to say there i don't think anybody on this panel or our viewers think that was going to be the world was going to sing kumbaya ok with the election of donald trump what he i was going to i'm going on his word and let that less less interventionism i mean i would have been happy with that just last a bit all right go ahead or go ahead tie go ahead with yeah i just want to ask john i mean when you call. head of a government in north korea little rocket man and you provoke and you provoke a new killer powered country country that is dangerous that is you got us our policy that is lunatic changing this not just saying as he would say on when you're talking about p.p. i'm just saying this is a very very dangerous part of his foreign policy if that's a policy at all wow do i how how are we going to deal with this if they're if this if this gets if this heightens the tensions between the united states and north
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korea not south korea north korea or china north korea but the united states in particular and north korea ok we're going to talk a little bit more about the example of what i just hang hang on gentlemen i'm going to go to a hard break and after that hard break we'll continue our discussion on trump's foreign policy stay with us. when lawmakers manufacture consent to stick to public wealth. when the ruling classes protect themselves. in the final merry go round be the one percent. we can all middle of the room sick. of the real news is
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over it was hysterical to actually quit if she would use a future how do you gravitation. order to move with the goodness and that's it but also initiating a sort of but i'm also going with the question are stored all peaceful superthin you don't need to put in the position motifs will. gradually grasp. from where did you do what we have i don't want to. see the world . this with. the one inch me. from my seat in there did your boss tells you off the bed. what you'll do you think you will listen to. everybody i'm stephen ball. hollywood guy suspect every proud
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american first of all i'm just george bush and r.v. to say this is my buddy max famous financial guru where just a little bit different. with all the drama happening in our country i'm shooting the road have some fun every day americans. and hopefully start to bridge the gap this is the great american people. welcome back across like we're all things are considered i'm peter remind you we're discussing trump's worldview.
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ok gentlemen the more we talk about of the more we seem to disagree which is good john you want to react quickly to something that time george and myself had to say go ahead i just wanted to point out i made two points that i thought are maybe three if you want include t p p we're trying to done well now what was the response to that from. the response to that was well let's look at north korea i was. talking about north korea i'm not expecting a lot of north korea are though i don't think there's going to be or there because of the stance of russia and china here but i think everyone i would ask simply i don't know the simple that one and i want to i want to i want to ask this simple question from did. something we would like in meeting with putin and meeting with good atmosphere with sheen and even having some fine economic agreements do you see in any progressive publications do you see any
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dispatches from the code pink or any of the progressive organizations praising with one word of praise for that i guess you know what have you know you're. great with you john i mean the mainstream media is not going to say get anything good about it all about donald trump and that is not talking about the mainstream media well that's what most people get their and their information from you know i'm sure you know you're going to go to george george one of the problems i had you know i'll be really honest with you is i was willing to give the benefit of the doubt to this president until he attacked syria a gross violation of international law based on of the now in retrospect if somebody had actually done some investigating which nobody wants to do anymore they really they are quick to to draw judgments and to point fingers here that's when i just said no i'm going to push back i didn't want hillary clinton i'm still glad
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she wasn't president but i made it very clear if we see the same bad behavior i'm going to call it out and that was wrong that is probably a war crime go ahead george. no there's no question that that was a war crime it was a violation of international lawyer was an act of naked aggression it wasn't done on any basis of any kind of serious investigation he rushed into that bombing campaign without doing any kind of laying the groundwork or anything like that. and that's that's a terrible blot on the administration however it's interesting that he hasn't really followed up on that yet many people who actually were chairing the saw or the mainstream media who are excited by this expected him now to follow up on this and to launch some kind of a serious bombing campaign against syria or you know a regime change operation of the kind that obama didn't dare venture against assad
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he didn't do that and having done that bombing he kind of gone back to a much more reasonable mala say on syria in which he's got a wound on the c.i. a jihadi network and from. what we can gather from that conversation with. last week it looks like it's going to wind down the cooperation with the kurds so it it does look like he's instinct would be during the campaign which was to basically end the whole regime change operation in syria it does seem to be bearing fruit now yeah and so the good thing is that he didn't follow the hands free money they rule i think there's an gentlemen i think there's a very interesting litmus test right before our eyes right now and it's ukraine time i let me go to you because again there are conflicting reports apparently there is a debate going on inside the white house and in the in the other agencies the
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report to the executive branch i think it's very interesting is that you know if lethal weapons were given to the partition go regime that conflict will heat up more. ok after what almost twelve thousand deaths that has been coming from kim towards the dumbass here if trump somehow signs off on that then again this it's this the same perpetuation of a foreign policy we've seen for decades now i always say in this program it's the genetic code it doesn't matter who is president the same kind of aggression will continue to be repeated go ahead well we see that a part of of trump's foreign policy is to sell arms wherever anybody is willing to buy the good point so we also have seen a uptick in the violence in eastern ukraine where we're seeing aggression both sides i believe but definitely coming from the the what's called the ukraine government at the moment we we i believe that the trump government the reason it
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looks like they're hemming and hawing is because they're very covert we don't know what they're doing as opposed to obama being a little bit more open but it getting back to syria i don't know where that's coming from we just found out that there are more soldiers and u.s. soldiers in syria i think the u.s. is responsible for major war crimes there were bombing in in syria if the fat the problem is is we're not allowed to see what's going on in syria the united states puts a. filter on any news that coming out about there we just heard that there is thirty percent more civilian casualties and that's from a new york times article we don't know the facts but there are thirty times more civilians died in syria in iraq fighting isis then then united swell you know it's to a tie you should be i don't why you should like these you should be thankful to argy
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because we do report those things ok i'm so proud of this network's coverage of syria. it really blew off the lid of the the pure nonsense that the mainstream was pumping out it was a really disgraceful coverage of the conflict here and i'd like to point out since we're on the topic here. take a look at the mainstream media and you'll never hear that rush it was played an instrumental role and in defeating these terrorists ok you never hear that ever hear that you hear on fox news trump is winning in syria you know it's trump isn't winning in syria ok it's others here you know john it's good to go back to it's already been it's been mentioned on this program already it really does look like a general general's foreign policy here if you're in the oval office watching the president oreo over at the pentagon because it seems that that's and they're given a lot more discretion you know i find that very troubling go ahead john
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well i think that the remarks that your first guest made and syria were excellent yes there was that bombing which the progress so-called progressive love the focus on the one bombing of the airbase but there was there's also been ceasefires which saved a lot of lives and there's also been a cutoff of cia funding to the anti jihad these that you have to look at to so well you oppose one i oppose that. you've got to support the other you get the same kind of age you know. well your gas just said. a few minutes ago well no i mean i could i could address that here i know i could get a involved i get it i could address that it does appear that some of the operations have gone you know they've. gone lower in their intensity or even disappeared to some extent however we do know we do know if
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a coach george here i mean what are those thousands to thousands probably more american troops doing in syria there's no justification for it if we want to avoid isis two point zero or you know what it becomes a magnet for terrorists ok i haven't we learned that after fifteen years of this nonsense ok when you leave it will probably intensity will go down it's commonsense go ahead george. exactly they it makes absolutely no sense of the two thousand there i guess this isn't mattresses policy a defense secretary mabus us policy that he would use this two thousand troops left holding on to some of the oil fields yeah exactly as a leverage against us but i don't think that it's a sustainable because with turkey and iraq on the russian side and want to pursue the style the peace process how is it going to keep. two thousand troops
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alive body and soul there so you know it's not a sustainable military operation you know tell you one of the things i find very disturbing and it looks like it was jared cushion or that was involved is involved in this gambit with the saudis after the events that played out these of the lebanon i again i find this really disturbing we would all like to see peace in the middle east i think across the spectrum we'd like to see that there are obviously some players the want more war the better and you know exactly who i'm talking about here but again is this a private operation with jared in the saudis and apparently the state department was in in the dark about this again i find this very troubling that's why i keep asking is there a trumping in view of the world because we keep looking it's separate issues i'm asking are there any dots to connect it all go ahead. yeah i mean trump goes to saudi arabia dances with the brutal despots and now they feel emboldened and they're talking about this phony. war with iran you know this ron
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is backing hezbollah which is rightfully defending lebanon's border against terrorists from isis and supposedly iran is getting involved in lebanon the this is all this is all about israel the fact that. jared cushion or is there and trump has not come out and said one word about the building of new giant settlements in palestine there is no push towards of israel palestine peace agreement and the saudis are only instigating terrorism in syria we know that for a fact i don't know why we can't talk about it it seems like the third rail of politics now is not israel it's saudi arabia ok when you read images of let me jump in here let me give john the last word here i'm going to give john the last word twenty five seconds my friend go ahead. well i would say that the whole the killie's heel
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of trump's wish to to get along as he says with russia has always been iran i don't think that's possible if he if he turns around into into an enemy but the basic problem there is that trump skull like capitol hill is the israeli occupied territory so that's the problem that is the key problem i think right now in some sort of is stephen cohen calls it a town two point zero with russia and i hope he gets to pursue it now everything he does well i support we have he does we have we have a lot of differences here but i think at the end of the program i think we came to a lot of agreement at least on one topic here we've run out of time many thanks to my guests in miami new york and in berkeley and thanks to our viewers for watching us here darkie see you next time and remember.
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they call me a useful idiot. you called me a useful idiot. useful idiots go expressing my opinions on t.v. there are thousands of us doing it the highest is required is a simple strategy we attack persons instead of talking about the arc of what's next why stop me from getting this close to the white house i'm with a group code pink why not ban the color pink one outstretch dildo right i should be sent to the town of london because i want to try to break me on the wheel but out with a long time of this sort of nonsense you don't scare me and i'll continue to voice my opinion i'll continue to speak out good company i'm in good company you going with me you want to do this because we'll freethinking the.
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local wal-mart to sell you on the idea that dropping bombs brings in use to the chicken hawks forcing you to fight the battles that still. produce talks for the tell you that will be gossip the tabloids myself a little bit. off the bat doesn't tell me you are not cool enough to buy their product. all the hawks for me along with all the walking. so many bankers are jumping off buildings and jumping off ears of the world and being crushed by crypto so max fisher magic you can fish with these bankers i use bad to. get a good look at those dead bait right here and you can go fish for dead bankers.
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i'm. going to. be. breaking news this hour the u.s. has all countries to cut their toys with north korea trades cools for the country to have its un voting power was removed. policy america stripped of its capitol hill press credentials just weeks off but was pressured to register as a foreign agent in the united states. oh dear oh dear oh. dear little fluffy bunny still nice piece of don't fall both in the military come on us but what i'm probably done is often take you poison the little crime school in the hague. the white helmet sort of trauma see off reporters without borders cross the cats in the press event critical.

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