should not be thrown. it. would reflect on the people who you would yes u.s. president says national security advisor henry kissinger won the nobel peace prize in one nine hundred seventy three and he says calling him out for being a war criminal because of the tens of millions killed wounded or displaced by his actions in vietnam now in cambodia reflects merely on his accusers no doubt the other nobel peace laureate the dalai lama would say the same even though it was kissinger who allegedly stabbed his cia payments but of course there was also nobel peace laureate barack obama who neo liberal media applauded for the peaceful firing of tomahawk missiles some of the first u.s. tomahawk missiles had been launched on libya and now we can give you an idea of exactly how this is going to play out there not no one on corporate media adequately explained how obama's drone strikes on civilians let alone wars on libya and syria would play out and as for nobel peace laureate aung san suu kyi leader of

burma even mainstream media is casting doubt on her nobel peace prize in the wake of the range of graces especially rupert murdoch's platforms as he puts pressure on china virus backing for the me and mum of the tree simon henschel an assistant secretary in the u.s. state department. says coverage capturing the plight of every indian this means in mine it is suffering he has seen passed hand oh excellent reporting i learned a delegation out to burma a man called out just last week well even if murdoch's media can leverage events in myanmar of a deals in china u.k. pm drazen may have to tread will carefully as she attempts to forge a post break that deal with the communist party in beijing summer speculated that the latest decision of the un general britain from the international court of justice for the first time since it was created nine hundred forty five is itself a symptom of u.k. post breaks it needs for new trade allies. certainly the i.c.j.

as a controversial history from cases like the u.s. shooting down of an it raining in passenger plane killing two hundred seventy four to nicaragua versus the usa well joining me now is britain's former attorney general lord morris of oberon who was chief legal advisor of the crown and its government in england and wales under tony blair morris welcome back to going on the grounds of what is the international court of justice and why should we care the britain along as a judge on it well it's a very old court going back to one thousand nine hundred five or thereabouts it's a very distinguished court and it settles international disputes a lot of dealing with the law of the sea where the boundary should be in the case that i was in it was regarding trying to get special measures to stop the bombing in yugoslavia and i appeared as counsel there quite a few years ago when i was attorney general of the bombing of yugoslavia of start stop the bombing of yugoslavia because we were bombing it night after night in order to save the cost of us there was ethnic cleansing on the scale of the

hundreds of thousands of people who'd been turfed out of their homes in in the yugoslavia the cause of others and that we had to do something to avoid another call accost and i didn't want another holocaust on my conscience so we were parties ten countries to trying to bring yugoslavia to heal to stop the ethnic cleansing the rape the murders the movie it's been turfed out of their homes and that's what that was about there are very different there are different views about the yugoslav conflict would you say that now there is an indian judge replacing the british one will get on to him in a second it would be more difficult for nato a nation like britain to get the judgment it's sort of in yugoslavia no i don't think so because they're all very distinguished charge of their own country and as it happened you have to have. the approval of both the security council and the assembly of the united nations agree nude of armed. a very large vote in the

security council christopher greenwood christopher created and i've known him because you happen to be a my my junior in the case in kosovo so i've known him there or i've looked at the records of all the judges and they're all of blessed taking and learning and distinction in their own countries and elsewhere so it basically comes down the fact yes i regret that we have not got a british judge but i'm confident that justice will be equally well dispensed with all the judges who have been elected. and runs and tourism is nomination of the christopher greenwood apparently got a stalemate within the u.n. security council including the sort of floating members and then britain wanted to introduce some whole new process where the little post which i think people are saying. if there are two bodies would have a joint determination and they disagree there must be machinery for resolving that issue. greenwood passed the test with the security council he had nine votes

he had he didn't have a sufficiently large number in the assembly of the united nations so the two outfits were not longer heads but there is a machinery to which has never been used to have a joint conference of the national assembly under thirty eight committee counsel to resolve the issue and apparently our foreign secretary decided with the approval of greenwood that we would not pursue it any further that our affection regard a working relationship with india was more important than to have another go which might resulted yet another stalemate and we wouldn't have one in any event so that was a decision taken and i don't disagree with it if if the excellent candidates all sides of the all are and i really stress that i've looked at their records i've looked at the service they've performed in their own countries and elsewhere and they were

existing members of the court already both of them and it's very difficult then to decide which is the better they're not this is about geopolitics rather than the individual record actually of judges so the fact that india uses that britain wanted good relations with india is opposed breck's a judgment on the international i don't regret once a deal with india i just got into reflects it because most of you open countries if i think all of them voted for judge for our candidate that i meant to resume in boris johnson withdrawing the nomination. in favor de facto of india to get their member on the i.c.j. no i don't think it's any relevance whatsoever i think we agreed not to go any further because it might a well have ended that was the critical factor it might well have ended in another state that we might not have won or done would have soured international relations and because it was a good candidate it was we should have pursued the diplomatic road and tried to

persuade the french to get a new nanny was decision in the trip to the council but as i said from your role as attorney general is it true the legacy carries on for people like the christopher greenwood that i don't know i don't know but i've reached dozens of decisions of different caren's which may well have offended some people if you look at the record and i've looked at many of the cases in some way and he's been involved in most of the decisions in the nine years he's been there and he handed somebody i do not know but whether iraq played a part of it that is beyond my knowledge ok well the fact remains that an aide to him secretary on the road to robert general is accused of a major failure of diplomacy in this whole i.c.j. nomination providing a highly exaggerated it's not at all i mean india is part of the commonwealth india is a very close trading nation with us it's a country we have very good relations i have believed as close relations with

russia which china countries russia seems to be supporting india's nomination and china reluctantly well not reluctantly but china but we did have you know nine votes in the security council for greenwood and he did particularly well there he did better than the indian candidate did in the security council but he did worse in the assembly my mother's than say an election is an election and you never know with certainty what might happen and when you have a large gathering of countries from all over the world well they do flex their muscles on time to time and i don't think are the. merely unfortunate that it was not in our favor just to publicize the accident that the decision came is britain learned that it was losing the european banking agency the european medicine agency they were moving to amsterdam and paris it looked like in the press britain was just losing i don't think so i think that's coincident coincidental i mean the the general assembly in june you mentioned the way the general assembly can have

decisions against britain i mean they they voted against britain's role in the silence britain rents out diego garcia military base you don't sense from this decision that we should detect the britain's role in the world is diminishing as as some british when the world is different i mean we've been developing since one thousand forty five we were one of the creators of the united nations. time and i clearly have in one of the major factors the then law offices of the time where help to draft. i'll give you is obviously does vary we've got a big country we have a small country but we do a punch above our weight from time to time over the years. that's on the long running saw and i know that our feelings on all sides i don't know the details but i don't think. any significance whatsoever with this decision where we no longer have a member of the court who happens to be british just finally i know the talk in this

country is about the budget we had admiral lord west former head of counter intelligence on this show complaining before the budget about defense cuts you've been speaking about in the house of lords about that just lays and regarding our armed forces the armed forces act what's concerning about section forty two of the armed forces act i believe the whole system is out of date it's been there since time immemorial having a court martial where you can have a verdict by a majority of one you can have a court martial with five members maybe seven. outside and you can have a verdict of guilty of murder by three to two. don't know the defendant doesn't know whether it unanimous or not it's all secret and i have succeeded i've won my daughter to have a view of the whole system so by the time we change the look at the next time we will i think there's all this issue to bring in right now a british soldier can be convicted by one vote on

a jury as of yet and that's why i regard it's deeply offensive when we moved in our civil system to a majority of addicts i was very concerned because you can have a verdict by ten to two but it worked it worked over the years otherwise you have trials which of the trials going on and on and on and costing enormous amount of money in order to get a verdict i believe our system should be in the court martials should be brought more into line with the civil system and you should have a julie perhaps a civil jury maybe a mixture to the hierarchical position a senior officer may for all i you know have a bigger influence on a more junior officer or maybe a warrant officer noncommissioned officer that doesn't look good to me and three to two is not in our period in the twenty first century is not suitable not fit for purpose in general thank you very much after the break. should we fear the power of

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back with me to go do something week's papers now is lembit opaque. a formidable democrat member of parliament let's go to the joyous news in the african-american fan of know him chomsky interesting about policy on syria ukraine palestine meghan look all the actor is bearing and that of the three i love this song the spectator previously said meghan markel is unsuitable as prince harry's wife for the same reason that wallace was unsuitable she's divorced and how his grandmother supreme governor of the church of england that's a spectator it's ancient history now they've said something else now they've said it would be childish to expressed reservations just compare that to live in the present challenged expects let's face. it is going to be invited to any royal wedding it's top so how did the b.b.c. the state mandated brawl gust cover gerry corwin leader the largest such as moving to western europe's congratulations the happiness breaks down let's go to the sun as the half. the sun reports a little bit of a problem says buller b.b.c.

subtitles make it look like jeremy corbin is congratulated. on it royal engagement . well that's what actually happened instead of saying something which was faithful to what he said the text read underneath the subtitle read i really do out my the way harry and hezbollah have drawn attention to mental health community couldn't jeremy called up with his bull or so clearly it's a fake news is that it yes but it wasn't meant to say that it was meant to congratulate harry and his brother on drawing attention to mental health issues but of course it could only happen to jeremy called bill you can only have a do the b.b.c. and its fake news coverage here started talking about select committees not getting the right information about bricks it just imagine if they'd done not with the reason mays comments nothing would happen with no well anyway as well or it has a democratically elected m.p.'s in the beirut parliament fighting isis diaspora and

with britain and the united states let's go to this tragic story that's been moved off the front pages i think of the newspapers here let me read you the headline and tell you what i think about the last in the christian times reports egypt mosque attack officials say assailants carried isis flags as death toll rises to three hundred five what you just said is the core point here three hundred five people dead or more in an attack with a large number of of assailants twenty five to thirty militants there very suicidal very very messy business they surrounded the mosque and then shot into it until that many people with that where is it in the headlines you even if you are a loyalist this indicates a level of carnage which would be absolutely unheard of even a few years ago but no one seems to be reporting of more story britain's department for international development backing the white helmets which are linked to islam ists which are linked to

a station al qaeda type groups isn't it interesting the british media doesn't want to connect britain's influence over this indirectly you even say that will be people not listening and. who are surprised that you say anything negative about the white helmets they have this almost unassailable positive image but as you say there's a linkage which we can't go into too much detail now but it leads directly to exactly that connection that you said i should say russia has been accused of the a draw city is russia denying that it's caused mass civilian casualties ahead of that's been a recurring theme as well good dogs but it's not been on the headlines r.t. is being the rant by google because they don't get this news out but part of the internet censorship campaign look at this b.b.c. spring r.t. is not the only victim of censorship the b.b.c. reports to its a block's new york times by about time the new york times which has got us into wars in libya in iraq in yugoslavia and there understand the apparently justin

trudeau left out an apology from a decade ago about native people in newfoundland and labrador but it's not really clear it's connected to that there's a certain vagueness to this it is important to the new york times to be banned surely that's all of brazil obviously whether they're saying it's not minister to vero or whether some wise guy there said no we've got to ban the new york times because what they said twenty four hours it took them to get them back onstream eleven minutes when donald trump went off your own conclusions well i mean if i was editor surely you'd better know all the competitor tech organizations as well as your share price does well i expect that sort of censorship to come from you and yours hail to twitter in the old days used to go to the pub read the local paper usually a murdoch paper let's go to this with the left of independent news for the bing as well while all that's going on the prime minister may not be able to get a point in a local because independent reports landlords into reason made constituency threatened to bomb from every pub why because she's cut over four hundred million

pounds from the police budget the publicans are saying they have to wait an hour before the police turn up sometimes if if a fight breaks out i know what they're afraid of eruption they're afraid of the fact that the reason main boris johnson turn up in a pub they start a fight and there aren't any police to separate them for a whole hour bad for business we invite the foreign secretary or the prime minister on the program to respond to that leftover thank. well earlier on in the show we heard from britain's former attorney general lord morris about the u.k. for the first time losing its seat on the international court of justice joining me now is a man who believes it could be a sign of more fundamental geopolitical change in the balance of power bob neil is the chair of the u.k. just a select committee and former vice chair of teresa mayes ruling conservative party bob barr welcome to going underground we heard from former attorney general lord morris just before about this international court of justice decision just before you go to bricks it matters your reaction to britain not having

a judge on the court for the first seventy one years but it's a serious setback and very disappointing the judge chris we're able to done an excellent job and i think it's a great shame i think is possibly an indication of a bit of a shifting power balance between both the security council and the genius driven assembly and also between you know the old established founding members of the un and the new emerging states but that's been going on for decades arguably i mean there's the head of the justice we are isn't it what do you think well it's done to stem the tide i think a couple of things here a lot of this of course is as much a political matter as a judicial one it's interesting that about a month or so ago the french lost their post on one of the other international legal tribunals so we're not actually the first member of the security council to come off worst in this but it does mean that we have to up our game on this we have to be selling very strongly the really big benefits that britain's legal

institutions have and their reputation because you know we lead the world in setting up some of these international tribunals and we mustn't ever give the impression that we're pulling back from that or that we don't take responsibilities to international courts really really seriously aside from the colonial imperial past aspect of this what does it mean in practical terms of britain has no judge on the international court of justice well i think it would depend precisely upon what does he come. long as you know a lot of it deals with disputes between member states often territory or other types disputes the top of mediation work and i mean obviously we don't have a say in media the top table obvious we're still able to adults are cases when it involves us which isn't very often and i think it's a shame in terms of our status now that we don't have somebody there on a great believe that we should be fully engaged in all of these international tribunals is the i.c.j. a political court the judges themselves they behave in a political way but the appointment system in every does because it's the member

states but in the security council and the un doing the voting if you know about it and just a select committee here know about the britain and redrawn its nomination for a candidate that the i suggest that is dealt with predominantly by the foreign office rather than by the ministry of justice i want to see that a lot of boris johnson mistake i think wrote general my colleague raised some concerns had the foreign office made paid enough attention to this i don't as a detail of that but i do think the lesson has to be learned that we must be seen to take these international bodies extremely seriously and put absolutely all of our resource behind our candidates in the history no on or whether the foreign office made a mistake and prematurely withdrew the candidate for britain's judge on the i suggest now and i think that's a judgment call probably that the diplomats on the ground have to then relay back to their ministers to decide. what we best is to make sure we have got into that position in the first place well michel barnier there are the man we're negotiating

with over a brics it is in berlin talking about security let's go to a different territorial dispute arguably what do you think about the fact the barclay brothers' daily telegraph says you are one of forty mm maybe fifty to twenty mutineers well it's the first time i've actually actually gone out and bought two copies of the daily telegraph one so i can frame it and put it up in an appropriate room in my house. that's a badge of honor. because mutiny is a corpse's perhaps like nonsense we're doing the job that we were sent by our constituents to do which is to scrutinise legislation that's the first task and then republican you voted for article fifty now you must have heard even in parliament people saying the european union negotiators and people are trying to deliberately slow it down surely that's why the prime minister has to set some kind of date some get a line in the sand otherwise civil servants or maybe even good sides of the journal will be slowing this down will never leave european union or not only that is the

case in that explain why give a bit of context a lot of the amendments that we put down group i would argue constructive friends to the government consider concern a lot of important legal detail was a very technical bill the particular one about the putting the leaving date on the face of the bill as it's called is actually a very late idea that the government came out which i don't think was consulted in widely in government and i think it's an error and the reason i say there is this the leave date was set by the article fifty process but the article fifty process does permit an extension of time if there's unanimous agreement made up that may or may not be possible to get but the experience of both of european deals i think most people would say many business deals is it very often things go to the wire you get to a stage where we virtually got a deal but you're going to need another month or so to make sure let's say all the other european member states to be able to get their parliaments to agree to it we could do that at the moment simply by seeking that unanimous agreement for a short extension stocker lost any amount of time if we put that on the place of

the bill our own law would prevent us doing that and we'd have to bring in an emergency act to poland to repeal that bill to give us a bit of extra flexibility i think it comes of paranoia on the part of the both the barclays press and so the rather mia press that the telegraph in the mail seem to be a competition to scaremonger that some help people are going to steal bricks off that is absolute nonsense demonstration of their insecurity so they. looking for plots the music is all there is actually as try to help the prime minister to deliver the foreign speech ok we're given how serious the issues you're raising are how should we fear the power of the press to give us dissin from ation during this negotiation process when i did a piece for the guardian i mean results the telegraph recently where i reminded people of that famous line of another conservative stanley baldwin when he was fighting the press barons in the 1930's and he reminded about the dangers of power without responsibility and he's are all old fashioned phrase after that prerogative

of the whole of throughout the ages but no factual heard now we get there just. to say that word i think we probably can but regulate but you get what i'm trip yet the gist of what i'm saying that it's actually the irresponsible indulgence of an elected people trying to intimidate those who are elected which obviously we're not we're not accusing any press baron of being a sex worker or order top of the asphalt you know unlike you i say are likely then . but surely the dangers of this are that the press could continue doing this all through the negotiating process and with a minority government the tourism elites surely she has to listen to what the press parents say because she may lose the party lose the election lose the government free press is really important in any democracy and it's good that we've got that but that doesn't mean that the press have any special status or that they're immune

from criticism and when we get a proper deal it's got to be one that works for the forty eight percent as well as the fifty two percent we need to bring the country together rather than exacerbate divisions i think some of that rather sort of intimidatory type of headlines which don't have any substance to them doesn't help in any of that process at all neal thank you and that's it for the show we're back on saturday from the russian british business. this form of the q e two center of london to talk to the founder of britain's all party parliamentary group for central asia told waverley lushness ambassador to britain till then even try social media a few of saturday sixty one years to the day revolutionaries led by fidel castro and jacob are adult in cuba the gramma one hundred ninety four years to the day of the signing of the monroe doctrine in washington the caring de facto u.s. sovereignty of a western hemisphere. we'll

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