jen and of course later disagree with you what about london as well as we say here where they are saying that part of we put this question of the security council and london of course was on the side of the united states so i'm trying to explain all the time to my british colleagues that they should hear the voice of the real sense in this world and join the russian initiative unfortunately it's not the case today but the initiative was on the table now i don't know whether it's hollywood films or whatever but any business people thinking of investing in russia right now i know we have breakfast coming they're going to be frightened their vision of doing business in russia is with a corrupt country full of all agog some people that have to report to the kremlin how do you see this summit persuading people to do trade with russia and have it really is that perspective well until the first saw everything would you said is just the exact reflection of the fake news about the russian the british media. i

always telling my friends in britain that you know of course you understand what the press is writing but they have to listen to the companies like b.p. shell resenting those who are doing the real business in russia in the expending this business what is interesting it's for example there is a reading doing business in the world four years ago russia was the seed place of one hundred twenty now it's on the thirty five you see you see the difference the britain i think if the memory serves me is the seven so basically we have no grocery where claim yeah of course you mention the big multinationals which each of them have gone to russia backgrounds arguably what about as enemies possibly thinking of competing in in the russian trade market or trying to work deals. you know he right. i think there was any i think i think the right people i

mean those who are members of the r b c c this is russian british of commerce they know the realities and of course they're coming especially in the area of the high tech they know the benefits but of course the need i mean the business the british business news the political signals from the government in order not to distort the picture but to give the clear picture the right picture or what's happening go away seem to have a big bill to pay for rex it is it too late for britain some of the speakers here are saying that italy germany france beating beating us to it when it comes to new deals never late never late and i'll tell you why because you know or one m.p. he asked the minister of economy of the poor lament what are the losses of britain due to the different western sanctions his own calculations it's between ten and he

didn't billion pounds each year so this is the price of the policy of the west and the britain so and there's nobody that's ok that's what you're hearing from that head but again small business people watching this c.e.o.'s are going to think i'm going to trade with russia there are sanctions there's no opportunities here in russia to do business exact words that's exactly what is all this forum is about you know look at how many people came here more than one thousand all of them are interested in the in the in the in the real russia because you know what they have from the press is the distorted vision and they want to know the truth no as johnson early and folks know david davis normally thornberry and learn from corbin's benj do they just don't like you or they frightened to be around her just say to their visit with the brags that story but so we had we had the prince michael of kent who is the patron of the russian british jump of. first we had the

. if you m.p.'s who are really heavily involved in the russian british relations and they wanted to send the messages to be to the people who gathered here so basically. we heard the messages but what is most important is that we have the bridges of business here those who are really doing this is not just the big one like us to seneca they just signed the new group with the tother stan but this is also the small business we see this context here which is to raise or may appear to be saying you're a dangerous country or a rogue country that is destroying elections all around the world and certainly that's going to inspire business confidence is a well you know britain is the country of the pluralism and if you if you look at the figures you'll find that the big the economic trade drew this year something work around twenty percent it means war which in britain and

russia it means what the business is ready to do their business and to certain extent they don't listen the politicians the british politicians and of course we're very supportive on that because you know we're showing the real russia and that russia is very close to the hearts of those who are planning to make money but people are even accusing russia or of mass casualties in syria they his rusher of assassinations of of law banning nature nation media is this really a context where of course lost to n l c o u y because you know like you know the how the mr trump invented you know this sort of fake news that's exactly about the british press you know always telling my friends you know just give me the facts. and we're happy to consider you know but not a single fact was presented you with the stories about the russian boards you know

all the things you know even the references to the research of certain institutes and the university but some for the cia and then there's another i'm talking about the universities in the u.k. all of them you know all that reports were fake fake news because you know we send the request to this in universities and ask them whether it's true there are references to their reports and they wrote us a letter that sorry but everything what was said you know in times and some other some other newspapers this is absolutely doesn't reflect the reality so why do you think british media one to destroy the reputation of your country that's a good question and i'll tell you i'm asking. that question no to the british killed colleagues you know i don't i don't have the answer certain extent some people explain this that the british us do for having the american policy and we have some difficulties who the relations in the united states and so they're basically following to certain extent to certain extend that maybe it's true. but i

think that you know the britain should have its own strategy in this world because you know it's the quality of life the economy the health of the economy this would be the most important things for the british people and russia is a great market the economy is growing now it's around two and a half percent next year it will be even higher you know we're there the the gate to the eurasian union is around two million people market and we're off course we're beginning to the brics which is emerging economies you know and latest forecasts here are the growth has legs for five years will be less than two percent here in britain how important is britain as a trading partner given the rise of the bricks and then the into the lower value. being here really is very important porton because you know every country you know the culture the business will be the job they want to explore the opportunities if

they can make make money here definitely they will do this for example if you take the role of what you need is for example the nucleus here because we're the best in the world you know to build a nuclear power stations you know britain are refusing to cooperate with us you know on the political motives so that's another part you know just so basically for us that's a good marketing wrinkly point is it is controversial enough for me i'm just going to say that is one of the reasons myriad reasons why people of britain suspicious his words in britain's line was to get rid of assad in syria and get again mr macro or president trump they're all saying the geneva talks are the only legitimate form for peace talks and there's russia going on about talks in a stern and everything seems to be taking place away from the sphere of influence of nato nations that's always a good way to take them to well you know just always telling my friends that there is all the possibilities to be on the right side of the history and join us on this

initiatives and join us on the settlements and the will be happy to see this. you know in the future and that's it would be very good opportunity you know to discuss all this things between the boris johnson and lover of because johnson is coming to moscow at the end of december and we're going to talk not only on the ballots will relations which is quite frozen but also to be different the world will the first especially ukraine because you know the positions are different and of course syria but we are going to talk about yemen because you know we don't see quite active role britain there and of course libya and that was the result of the aggression from the united kingdom france and the time and now the country is in ruins so all these questions are on our agenda and i think the. the talks between the lover off and johnson would be very helpful you know for for the british side to understand you know what is all position you know and what we can do together to thank you.

after the break here of the russian and british business for twenty seventeen of the q e two center in london how terrified should british small to medium sized businesses be about investing in post bricks it deals with russian partners given sanctions in an age of fake news we told to the head of the u.k. the russian british chamber of commerce and the russian federation of trade representative to britain tons of mainstream media horror stories about moscow's expertise in i.t.v. into a bid for economic partnership in finn's act all this and more coming up in part two of this special russia u.k. trade ties edition i'm going underground. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to us from the world of politics sport that's less i'm show business i'll see you than.

there is no center in the united states' political discourse it's all center right ever since the clinton people came into power the center right has become the right and there is no peace party that exists in my country and i don't see any evidence of it except this third party that is so criticized the green party. welcome back we're still of the russian british business forum twenty seventeen of the queen elizabeth the second center in westminster and joining me now is the chair of the board of directors of the russian british chambers of commerce roger weddings thanks so much for coming to our makeshift studio surprised by the number

of people here given the drays maze often warning this country that russia is a rogue state i think it's a good turners and i think the people here are the only a lot about russian business and the opportunities for british business in russia i think both governments. are encouraging trade between the two countries subject of course to the legal requirements of the sanctions regimes but i think if you if you talk to the british embassy in moscow they're keen to increase british business in russia and russia is keen to increase business here and there's garage near the city of london the in terror libel or interest rate was fraudulent but what about corruption in russia that corruption something that. you don't have to get into anyway if you don't want to is up to you with your integrity as a businessman not to go in areas where you could do where you can be subject to corruption and my own experience is that it's quite quite possible in the russian environment you business without getting into the those difficult areas and as you

say it exists pretty much everywhere in the. and i was focusing on their semi business not the big shell oil in there because of this world whether it be a supply chain investment the ones making with the russian company whether it be a trade partnership whether the export arrangement how can we possibly gulf wouldn't of the future given that resume could put sanctions on on this or that sector to morrow or the next day i think at the political level what i would hope for is that we make progress and i think that involves setting up a dialogue where mutual respect between both parties exists and i think it's incumbent on both the british government and the russian government to establish that effective dialogue it's not only important for from the point of view of international security it's also important as an umbrella for business generally because you can bet your life that if a british board is sitting discussing whether it wants to do business in russia and

if it's likely to get some bad press or some bad political comment and it's not going to do it it's an easy way not to do it and there are a lot of opportunities being missed which you know de facto the french the germans italians just don't seem to be missing even though britain is at the moment the no more and so is roy brands and russia i see it as a service per service provider yes but there are all sorts of other industries that we could we could get ourselves involved at but then is it too late because some russian business people i've been talking to here are saying you know we've already got looking towards the eurasian land where obviously the e.u. now the britons leaving it let alone that look. it is never too late if you have a good offering and a good proposal for a counter party in whichever country you're dealing with what i would worry about is that russian business does depend a lot on on relationships and whether the people inherently trust you. and i think

it's not only builds up over time and it's a it's both directions you're rushing kind of parties have to trust you and you have to trust them and that develops over over a period of time so it does take time to install out what opportunities ironically arise because of sanctions against russia well of course you know when sanctions were first introduced i thought this is not the way to deal with this issue because it hinders the development of the russian middle class if you like your own news that it hinders the advance of. detail democracy advance democracy but actually what's happened is that i think. rather like a large family that's criticized from outside if you put sanctions in right everybody within russia pulls together so diversification is increasing modernization is increasing the infrastructure is being built more quickly that might otherwise have been also got a lot to do that

a lower all price of course doesn't give you that budget headroom. to relax but you know that relaxation is not necessarily a good thing if you want to build if you want to make economy economic progress quickly because the political climate given the kind of statements coming from tourism a little only in folks and others they learn on labor has been generally thornberry mean that they appeared to be considering russia something akin to apartheid is it ethical to even do business with russia given the as far as the government here seems to be saying the human rights abuses on a colossal scale and only by russia or the president of the world you know when i talk to members of the british government they are pretty clear that they want to increase trade and investment with russia provided sanctions aren't sanctions aren't infringe the legal requirements of sanctions aren't infringe my guess is that there's some political posturing going on here but i don't know i'm not party to the way our senior politicians think although the moves they're trying to make

to set a position it's always already for the big. multi-nationals but you can understand though that it has and we. are going to think that i mean the human rights in saudi arabia don't matter but the knights i think they all this he will with most i mean i just challenge your comment about multinationals because i think multinationals you know it is incumbent upon our best not to nationals to behave ethically and their boards of directors hopefully will ensure that they do. in terms of estimates are very debatable that i would hope as a businessman that and you know a board member of major russian companies that that major european major british companies to hafe ethically. and i think there's increasing pressure for them to and that's part of the job of the board to make sure it happens but not by a series i was saying russia hack the catalonia break that the general election could jump or no way to as these are the accusations in the corner what can we

believe these days i mean i think. either there are accusations all over the place to be we need proof or all of these things to all governments do this i just don't know because you want to thank you pleasure there was plenty of optimism of the russian british forum twenty seventeen even if british breaks that politicians like liam fox david davis and boris johnson usually so keen to talk about international trade deals with no way to be seen going to bars abrogate all of the russian federation's trade representative to britain that was a political issue not so much a business one given all the arguable russophobia in their britain how can you say that russia and britain are only threshold of a new era of trade in economic relations after breaks called statistics shows us that this yeah there has been a significant progress in by little trade during the first nine months of this year trade to know or between our two countries increased by twenty five percent and we

surpassed their level of nine billion years dollars. it means that by the end of the year they'll be at least twelve billion of bilateral to know. there are an export is increasing the british export russia also increasing that means and increasing demand for british equipment for industrial goods and also all the increasing demand for. consumables. this opens new opportunities for both countries and that's why we're talking about. a new era the start of the new era as we see it and that so there are really two tracks to this as bing this year in parliament resumes saying you're an evil country destroying democracy around the world and underneath that there are businesses seem to have these political statements not new for the

business. society and for the business community actually the business circles of both countries get. used to these hostile. territory. they see their real benefit or mutual cooperation they are more pragmatic than the politics ok but you talk about increasing a british russian trade your biggest trade put there is the european union not a isolated britain outside the old forms of course when you look to future trade as we look towards if there's a choice if there has to be a choice do as the european union or britain i don't think of it we have to choose between europe and britain or we hope for developed economic cooperation not only with europe but the whole of the world but they'll be new tariffs when britain leaves the european union we don't know where they'll be or not because

the exact conditions of britain leaving the e.u. are not clear by now so if we're. talking about the w.t. all conditions that will be the equal conditions as with all other countries so i think they're. both bricks that situation will open you up at unit is but not close them but what about british opportunities because at the moment it's russia selling to britain. much more in twenty seventeen rather than the other way around it's not good for our audience. yes there is a significant rise of british exports to russia it means that opportunities are increasing even for british business in such not actually very favorable conditions so give me your the rush you're the trade representative of the russian federation and a lot of talk about trade a citizen a t.

fin tech you write if you're on a tour that you don't need to we're going to look kindly on the fact that you want more trade rational lockers or the is no big deal in the secretaries of economy yes everybody is afraid of russian hackers but actually that is the strong point of the russian economy mathematics id technology is there it is this fears of where we can cooperate and not be the enemy maybe you could perhaps agree then with the international trade secretary here liam fox he said i can agree as many trade agreements as i like but if british business doesn't want to export then that doesn't do us any good in other warmer seeming to blame british businesses for not thinking of expanding their horizons when it comes to new business investment opportunities this artistic so this year shows. the picture very differently the bilateral cooperation is expanding including british export to russia and just

finally when you see a british businessperson not the big multinationals say i would like to do a deal i found some person to do some business with in russia and the russian federation but i'm frightened of that investment because new sanctions could be by them by tourism is government or by the absolutely or you have to say to them yes you're absolutely right and we have real cases when the people are seizing the negotiations because of this this is the effect of media and we confiscate it more as ever more thank you. thank you rush. well u.k. prime minister tourism a was nowhere to be seen at this year's russian british business forum and don't think it was because she was under fire for a multi-billion euro sell out over breakfast or her government's redactions to parliament or her war of tweets with trump she couldn't be there she was off to saudi arabia to word facilitate and challenge arms deals arguably threatening tens

of millions in yemen with cholera i've been asked to reply on behalf of my right on will find a prime minister who support in the middle east furthering our interests in a region that's fundamental to our national security and prosperity yes the defacto u.k. deputy prime minister currently under an extreme pornography investigation was replace injuries in may the dispatch was unabashed by claims the pm was aiding while challenging the destruction of the poorest country in the middle east the german foreign secretary only thornberry recently in tel aviv defending israel it wasn't yemen on her mind the law pornography apparently the first actually looked rather prefer. to target my last line of questioning but he doesn't need to worry i really am not going there israel sympathiser thornberry didn't go there as in the extreme born investigation service a defector a saudi ally israel prevented her from questions about the worst humanitarian crisis in the world and the first secretary of state tell the house how much money do you keep government has received from sales from sony a.t.v.

our since the war with yemen began the u.k. first secretary didn't know i don't have the figures to hand but i do. the honorable gentleman to recognize the fact first of all that our defense industry as it is extremely important a creator of jobs and prosperity in scotland as well as in other parts of the country and that britain has a rigorous and robust arms sales policy in place as tested in court the s.n.p. wasn't convinced the u.k. government has received four point six billion. and sit ups aside the antibiotic sense of water and you haven't begun a war which just created a devastating humanitarian crisis children in yemen is not on the brink of famine and unicef has said that one hundred fifty thousand children will die by the end of the c.e.o. doesn't go far secretary i believe that the best thing that the prime minister can do for the meetings today is follow the example of the netherlands and suspending

licenses but arms sales are decided any of the well from his perspective britain is going to go on killing children to raise them a says she has un security council backing though and that's it for the show we're back on monday with someone who certainly has a view on the world's greatest humanitarian crisis the world winning journalist and all the john pilger j.-o. b. talking about his groundbreaking films to be shown at a retrospective at the british library this month till then conduct by social media will feel money forty eight has been named in the u.s. execution squad in chicago shot and killed a black panther revolutionaries fred hampton the mall clock us authorities would eventually settle for millions of dollars to black panther survivors and relatives .

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