now israel likes to market itself as the only democracy in the middle east and i heard you say before that a more accurate description would be the jewish democracy a democracy or a country where you have to be a jew to fully exercise your democratic rights what exactly do you mean by that well first of all the definition of the israeli state is jewish and democratic in my opinion for that up citizens of is that it is a jewish state for the jewish. citizens they will correct it this is how it goes it splits but in my opinion even that situation has deteriorated in the last thirty years this country is led by a government to change the whole this a nation of this state it's not like i agreed in the past that it is the full democracy but it's even less and less as through the years and the last three years there were

a huge attack on the more critical margins of the state on the. judicial system on the media on the civil society and despair shelly on that ites of the palestinian citizens of israel so might a good act there is no way to talk about the only democracy in the middle east yes it might be a little bit more than welcome to take all the arab countries at our own the but is it i likes usually to equal it to the countries when it is when they are talking about economy but when democracy they want only to compare with many of your critics would point out that your own status as a member of the knesset and the success of other. arab israeli politicians is a contradiction to your claim to be israel's arabic population is not being treated fairly. the fact that you are who you are that you do what you do is that not

a testament to israel's political diversity if democracy is all about to be elected by all your own constituency i think this is very wrong to think of that way there is no contradiction between the fact that even the israeli governments in the last ten fifteen years is admitting larry clearly that there was discrimination and still discrimination against they had a population of is that that doesn't mean that they deprived us from the right to be elected although you know that there was a law legislated lately one year ago for. expulsion of members of that may set and it meant mainly members so this is not an issue of the democracy of israel it is an issue of the trust of a lot of people who elected us and brought us to the knesset in order to represent

them there is no contradiction at all well i think it's also an issue of. electoral strategy because as you perhaps would agree with me the issue of palestinian unity both in israel and in the occupied territories has long been a challenge to the successive israeli governments i think. have taking advantage off and what allowed you and some of your. arab colleagues to get elected into parliament back in two thousand and fifteen was putting your differences aside and indeed focusing on the on the common good does this experience of yours all for any broader lessons for the palestinian cause yes of course the joint less experience experience of bringing four different parties from different ideologies together is very. good luck to mr.

model for not only our people the palestinian people in the west bank and gaza but also for that aboard who is suffering from healt fragment days asian and even civil wars and is looking for a situational funi to for the best of the people and i think we managed to give an example and we are continuing to do it in order to bring hope to the people that you are stronger when you are united around the causes that you believe in now i know that you're also a famine in and read that in order to advance women's rights you consciously work together with political groups that have diametrically opposing views let's say on the issue of occupation and i think that kind of pragmatism i agree with you that kind of pride which is the ability to put your a politics aside for the sake of the common good it's very inspiring but i wonder

what goes into sustaining that how do you guard against divisiveness when division is also a political tool and. sometimes paddled quite consciously by various political groups well it is not a clear cut as you might. think it's not like everybody would law to call. only for the sake of one issue or put aside all the difference is. of course it is a very delicate. dilemma as that usually i face when i want to cooperate with others who deny even sometimes my right of existence as part of a minority or that sometimes is welling to lead. to more critical legislations because of political view the.

here where we can call but it is very much limited and you have to be careful with it when you do it to tell you the truth it's a dilemma of every day it's not easy. to cooperate with people who deny your own people the right of existence when they deny you with that idea of equality as a full citizen and you have to be very careful in that because sometimes it can be used against you i've interviewed a number of israeli and palestinian negotiators over the years almost all of them happen to be male so they all blame the other side for not willing to compromise we're not willing to move or had for being too captive to the short term political considerations and i don't want to to propagate gender stereotypes i think wind women can also be pretty hard headed but i wonder if as a famine if you believe that women could perhaps bring a different emphasis in today's never and being negotiating process well i believe

a woman have different experiences and that the have different tools of solving conflict because of those experiences they view things in a different way because there are rules in their life rules of their lives are different but that doesn't mean that being a woman is automatically lead to be a different and go shit or a better negotiator as a feminist i believe what leads people is that ideology is their believes is their commitment to peace and to end occupation and militarism to think that feminists can bring a different political point of view and not only women and you know also men can be feminists if they have that ideology or absolutely you know not so long ago we had another prominent israeli politician here on the show. i would see believe me who

is like yourself a strong advocate of the two state solution who is also a feminist. who believes in negotiating but who is in the opposition to the current government of benjamin netanyahu like yourself but all those common features about the two of you as far as i understand i'm not enough to bridge the ideological divide that exists between the various opposition parties in israel why do you think there is so little solidarity i'm focused on the common cause among these really opposition well first of all i think that this is a sickness that is existing in my opinion and many of the. left wing parties all over the ward i think that we are more focusing on the differences rather than the common things an extra obstacle in israel for that is the national background there is

a diligent. of the political activism of the. citizens of the palestinian citizens. and also of them but believe me. you just heard the new head of the. labor party saying that. to my zinga new partnership with us so there is first of all the ideology that livni comes from that sometimes is an obstacle for cooperation but also delegitimizing us as a policy and community as a present at of some of this community is another huge obstacle that those parties have to come over and to understand that the only way to solve this situation in israel and to get rid of the nuts and yells government. but i. am also

connecting to trying to find a way how to get that well mr muslim and we have to take a short break now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. done some of the knots is not a quick place is called the good country. because it is the minister and the bush family as well above the storm. as it existed at that us or a disco that is glued. to the challenge. of the. less sure of the from the secular serious. polling is just a little and biased from the i'm still beating that i'm. mostly albums fossil.

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they call me a useful idiot i mean you called me a useful idiot a useful idiot useful idiots go expressing my opinions on t.v. there's two things miss doing it behind his record is a simple strategy we attack persons instead of talking about the org what's next why stop me from getting this close to the white house i'm with a group code pink why not ban the color pink one hour stretch beyond the rock i should be sent to the town because i'm to try to break me on the wheel but out with a long time of this sort of nonsense you don't scare me and i'll continue to voice my opinion i'll continue to speak out i'm in good company i'm in good company you going with me you want to use because we're free thinkers.

welcome back to worlds apart with i did to mislead an arab member of the knesset. we talked about the two state solution before the break and if you look at the most recent polls a slight majority in both israel and palestine fifty three and fifty four percent respectively oppose what's known as the full package database did militarized a palestinian state family unification was jerusalem as the capital of israel is jerusalem is the capital of palestine as well as the divided custody of holy and historical sites what of that is non-negotiable and where do you seeing adjustments could be made well first of all i think we are not even in that situation with this

government this government is actually netanyahu government is refusing to negotiate everybody is talking about a place process there is no process there is nothing going on there is a to stoop put pressure on the palestinian leadership to accept any kind of agreement i think that it is. very well known that there are limits or or. yes limits that cannot be. compromised talking about jerusalem is an issue is not. compromised by the palestinian authority or. israeli side we can see how the occupation and nine hundred sixty seven became a kind of an expression and they are insisting this government is insisting enough to negotiate at all i am still supporting the two state solution. when the.

public and the. public will be changed immediately they see. that something will be happening but we in the last minutes of this. this can be destroyed or. in the next one year if the situation a good deal like this solution would be impossible without a negotiating process and apps poken turn off palestinian officials or palestinian . residents i guess over the palestine you cannot even refer to them as citizens who have a very strong feeling that. these negotiating process about the palestinian state would has become a means of denying them that statehood because the negotiations have been going on for so long in so many formats usually leading to nothing to benefit di cost

and prolonging the occupation and and the end of the day advancing these really policies do you think it's fair do you think it's genuine and you know honest to call for more negotiations or to try one more time when at the end of the day it all adds up with palestinians being disappointed even more well i think the word should ask questions about the will. of negotiation. another of the palestinian side the palestinian side. have not a lot of choices and the people who are looking for an independent. freedom from liberation from occupation they understand that the main even if they will fight eventually that has to be a negotiating in my opinion negotiation was misused oh. are used.

to bring into the new situation where only delaying the the problem and creating facts on the ground is any negotiation has to happen it has first of all to be sponsored by an international international community and not only by the united states then our states of america is not an objective. power in what's concerning israel and palestine second it has to be clear from the beginning that it is heading for a two state solution on the borders of the night is sixty seven and the thirty three it and to start all from the beginning settlements is the main obstacle if it's not to freeze then we are actually killing and liquidating the two state solution now you just mentioned the united states and i'm sure your heard the trumpet the ministration as customer for any new american administration in times

to try to. trying to resolve this crisis what has been your impression so far because trump is definitely not a smooth operator do you think he is more likely to make things better or worse when it comes to these very very complex issue. for my autograph we have seen already how a trump administration and trump himself is acting on different issues he is unpredictable he is this is the least we can say he is not stable in his policy and i had a good at it is knowing that all the people that are working with him on the palestinian israeli issue are very very much a loyal to the israeli side so this is the whole situation all these factors are not to bring us to a good formula where i can be optimistic about what trumps administration can do in

this region well there have been a number of publications and regional media. on trump's suppose it peace plan purportedly to be unveiled early next year and it's been alleged that washington meet call for a palestinian state in the gaza strip and a few claves in the west bank but it would also insist on issues including the status of jerusalem including the right of return for labor day as far as you are concerned would that be an acceptable proposition well if you're asking my opinion this is not a starter for anything this is a stipulation that is existing. what do we mean by a state if the core issues are to be postponed again we have to remember us law has been. signed twenty five years ago and it depended on the ideal for stoning and we are seeing where it is leading now i think there is no way

to postpone anything legislations about jerusalem going every day in the knesset and lead every day in the knesset and exerting gulf of parts of the west bank are brought up in the knesset every day still to post one one. to create a new reality that is making the palestinian a state no more than a small autonomy and a sponsible for municipality i think this is not acceptable well speaking about the unpredictability of the trumpet ministration just a few weeks ago it's rotten to close the washington office of the palestinian liberation organization if the palestinians did not immediately hold that complain in the international criminal court to which the p.l.o. responded that they would halt all contacts with american officials and i think it's a genuinely puzzling question of what kind of strategy is going to be most effective

and least counter productive with the trumpet ministration do you think halting context is going to work in favor of the palestinians i think that one of the most important. and i think that should be led first of all is to alliances that are beyond the united states the united states on. who who. so i think of that a work with a general international community is very important to create a counterpart on that the second thing i think the palestinian people have that i to use all the means to put pressure on the occupation and to make. an affordable and going using the diplomatic ways or. legal ways

to do that i think this is the minimum that can be done the people who still believe in the two state solution and who want to protect the. solution should be also active to. put pressure on the american of these violations of that are its. the funny people to use these mechanisms by the international community these are mechanisms whether created from the beginning by the international community to wheels by only people who think that they have been violated i ask you a question about there are lines is there because the palestinian authority is dependent on material support from saudi arabia for example which has been warming up to israel lately do you think the saudis can still be relied upon as a conduit it's all of the palestinian cause are is it all about that own agenda right now well in my opinion they. have always it played by their own

interests and by their own agenda but it is you said warming up in israel i think it's heating up with it's not only or may it's very clear that they are opening a clear channel and normalization actions with this as part in my opinion the delay of declaring the. plan is not by chance there is preparation steps that are taking including that relations between israel and the. day like. the others. what you called warming up there is a new a lion is alliance that is created now in the region and i think that the collapse of the. american plans in iraq and in syria is

very clear and shifting the american administration to create a new access and you. alliance in the region including israel as part of it opals ing on the other side what they say it is it on trying. to again keep this region entrenched and keep this region in avoiding dealing with the main problem of the palestinian issue and if i may very quickly ask you forgive the final question it is one thing when you have a certain perhaps classified communication between officials let's say in israel and saudi arabia but public opinion is quite a different matter and i think in many arab countries the strong sentiment against israel. is. still still existing i wonder if the palestinian cause still gets any sympathy in the hearts of common folks in not only

in saudi arabia but the cross the arab all do the arabs care about the palestinian issue as much as they used to first of all i have to say that i do differentiate between the ruling. people in the countries and the regimes and between the people the other peoples of that up nation have always understood that the palestinian issue is a core issue in the region and. very much with the palestinian people but we have to remember that the whole arab nation that award is. very much suffering in the last few years from the different. conflicts that we're created deliberately in my opinion and different countries. in syria and we have to remind ourselves who is these terrorist

actions and all is supporting these terrorist groups is the united states of america and it is some of the doesn't seems like this whole the a so when when the arab people in each country when egyptians when at all. syrians are very much. over that a little of their with the bloody. conflicts in their countries close they are not to able to say live that it's like in the past with the palestinians but if you ask them you will find that they are still understanding well mr was the man to have to leave it there i think you for being with us and to our viewers please share your comments on our twitter facebook and youtube pages and i hope to syria same place same time here on worlds apart. or. are.

just getting international recognition with the help of israel at least in the world of zoos and dismiss it. like. this isn't my cup but he is going to sell you know maybe. john. the only palestinians who gets the most help from its jerusalem counterparts i don't think there is some of those who in the world come to the vision to look at it this way. and that is all of us not just you have to this lady of the messiah that you have i don't want you to compete in the customs you to do more commitments

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