of the palestinian state but in my opinion this connection between the two issues cannot be avoided because first of all the two people are suffering from the continuous a capacious of the palestinian territories there is no possibility to dream for a good life for the palestinian people and for the israeli jewish people without thinking about solving this continuous conflict and ending the occupation and establishing a palestinian state so what ever we are talking about yet as we don't put the palestinian issue and the continuance of the patient in the forefront we are missing the point now israel likes to market it sounds as the only democracy in the middle east and i heard you say before that a more accurate description would be did jewish democracy a democracy or a country where you have to be a jew to fully exercise your democratic rights what exactly do you mean by that

well first of all the definition of the israeli state is jewish and democratic in my opinion for the arab citizens of is that it is a jewish state for the jewish. citizens they will kinetics this is how it goes it splits but in my opinion even that situation has deteriorated in the last thirty years this country is led by a government to change the whole this a nation of this state it's not like i agreed in the past that it is the full democracy but it's even less and less as through the years and the last three years there were a huge attack on the margins of the state on the. judicial system on the media on the civil society and despair sheli on that ites of the palestinian citizens of israel so. might

a good act there is no way to talk about the only democracy in the middle east yes it might we a little bit more than welcome i think than all the other countries that own the but is it i likes usually to equal itself to the countries when it is when they are talking about economy but when democracy they want only to compare with and yet many of your critics would point out that your own status as a member of the knesset and the success of other. arab israeli politicians is a contradiction to your claim to be israel's arabic population is not being treated fairly the fact that you are who you are that you do what you do is that not a testament to israel's political diversity if democracy is all about to be elected by all of your own constituency i think this is very wrong to think of that way

there is no contradiction between the fact that even the israeli governments in the last ten fifteen years is admitting that it clearly that there was discrimination and still discrimination against they are a population of is that that doesn't mean that they deprived us from the right to be elected although you know that there was a little legislated lately one year ago for. expulsion of members of that may set and it meant mainly members so this is not an issue of. israel it is an issue of the trust of a lot of people who elected us and brought us to the knesset in order to represent them there is no contradiction at all well i think it's also an issue of. electoral strategy because as you perhaps would agree with me the issue of palestinian unity both in. israel and in the occupied territories has long been

a challenge to the it's successive israeli governments i think. have taking advantage off and what allowed you and some of your. arab colleagues to get elected into parliament back in two thousand and fifteen was putting your differences aside and indeed focusing on the on the common good does this experience of yours all for any broader lessons for the palestinian cause yes of course the jointness experience experience of bringing four different parties from different ideologies together is very. good optimistic. model for not only our people the palestinian people in the west. but also for that aboard who is suffering from healt fragment days asian and even

civil wars and is looking for a situational theon it is for the best of the people and i think we managed to give an example and we are continuing to do it in order to bring hope to the people that you are stronger when you are united around the causes that you believe in now i know that you're also a feminist and read that in order to advance women's rights you consciously work together with political groups have diametrically opposing views let's say on the issue of occupation and i think that kind of pragmatism i agree with you that kind of pride which is the ability to put your a politics aside for the sake of the common good it's very inspiring but i wonder what goes into sustaining that how do you guard against divisiveness when divison this is also a political tool and. is sometimes paddled quite consciously by various political groups well it is not. a clear cut as you might. think it's not

like everybody would lawyer to call. only for the sake of one issue or put aside all the difference is. of course it is a very delicate. dilemma as that usually i face when i want to cooperate with others who deny even sometimes my right of existence as part of a minority or that sometimes is welling to lead. to more critical legislations because of political view the. fear where we can call but it is very much limited and you have to be careful with it when you do it to tell you the truth it's a dilemma of every day it's not easy. to cooperate with people who deny your own people the right of existence when they deny you with that equality as

a full citizen and you have to be very careful in that because sometimes it can be used against you i've interviewed a number of israeli and palestinian negotiators over the years almost all of them happen to be male so they all blame the other side for not willing to compromise we're not willing to move or had for being too captive to short term political considerations and i don't want to to propagate gender stereotypes i think wind women can also be pretty hard headed but i wonder if as a famine if you believe that women could perhaps bring a different emphasis in today's never ending negotiating process well i believe a woman have different experiences and the have different tools of solving conflicts because of those experiences they view things in a different way because there are rules. the life rules of their lives are

different but that doesn't mean that being a woman is a to magically lead to be a different. or a better negotiator as a feminist i believe what leads people is that ideology is their believes is their commitment to to end the occupation and militarism i think that. can bring a different political point of view and not only women and you know also men can be feminists if they have that i. absolutely you know not so long ago we had another prominent israeli politician here on the show it's the believe me who is like yourself a strong advocate of the two state solution who is also a feminist. who believes in negotiating but who is in the opposition to the current government of benjamin netanyahu like yourself but all those common features about the two of you as far as i understand i'm not enough to bridge the ideological

divide that exists between the various opposition parties in israel why do you think there is so little solidarity and focus on the common cause among these really opposition well first of all i think that this is a sickness that is existing in my opinion and many of the. left wing parties all over the wards i think that we are more focusing on the differences of the the common things an extra obstacle in israel for that is the national background there is a diligent and of the political activism of the. citizens of the palestinian citizens. and also of the party that. believe

me. you just heard the new head of the. labor party saying that. to my new partnership with us so there is first of all the ideology that see believe me comes from that sometimes is an obstacle for a call but a sham but also the legitimizing the us as a policy and community as at present that have solved this community is another huge obstacle that those parties have to come over and to understand that the only way to solve this situation and and to get rid of the nuts and yells government is by a old soul connecting to us and trying to find a way how to get that well mr muslim and we have to take a short break now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. to

international recognition with the help of israel at least in the world of. business if you like to. see the michaelmas he is going to sunday all be. done. with. the only palestinian gets the most help from its jerusalem counterparts i don't think this is an of those who are under the vision to believe that it is. and that is unfair that it's judges many of the muslim jihad going to be competing in the dozens you to doing. some presume. join me every thursday on the alec simon show and i'll be speaking to guest of the

world of politics school business i'm show business i'll see you then. welcome back to worlds apart with i did to mislead an arab member of the knesset. we talked about the two state solution before the break and if you look at the most recent polls a slight majority in both israel and palestine fifty three and fifty four percent respectively oppose what's known as the full package database debility rise to

a palestinian state family unification was jerusalem as the capital of israel is jerusalem as the capital of palestine as well as the divided custody of holy and historical sites what of that is non-negotiable and where do you think adjustments could be me well first of all i think we are not even in that situation with this government this government is actually netanyahu government is a few to negotiate and nobody is talking about a place process that is not process there is nothing going on that is a stoop put pressure on the palestinian leadership to accept any kind of agreement i think that it is. a very was no and that there are limits or or. yes limits that cannot be. compromised talking about jerusalem is the issue is not. compromised

by the palestinian authority on. israeli side we can see how the occupation and nine hundred sixty seven became a key. and often ixia action and they are insisting this government is insisting enough to negotiate at all i am still supporting the two state solution the. public and the. public will be changed immediately if they see. that something will be happening but we in the last minutes of this solution this solution can be destroyed or be irreversible in the next one year if the situation good deal like this the solution would be impossible without any go shooting process and amps folk and to enough palestinian officials or palestinian. residents i guess over the palestine you cannot even

refer to them as citizens who have a very strong feeling that. this negotiating process about the palestinian state would has become a means of denying them that statehood because the negotiations have been going on for so long in so many formats usually leading to nothing to benefit dire cost and prolonging the occupation and and the end of the day advancing these really policies do you think it's fair do you think it's genuine and you know honest to call for more negotiations or to try one more time when at the end of the day it all adds up with palestinians being disappointed even more well i think the word should ask questions about the will. of negotiation. another of the palestinian side the palestinian side. have not

a lot of choices and the people who are looking for an independent. freedom from motor liberation from occupation they understand that the main. even if they will fight eventually that has to be a negotiating in my opinion negotiation was misused only used. to bring into the new situation where only delaying the the problem and creating facts on the ground is any negotiation has to happen it has first of all to be sponsored by an international international community and not only by the united states then as states of america is not an objective. power in what's concerning israel and palestine second it has to be clear from the beginning that it is heading for

a two state solution on the borders of the night is six to seven i'm not going to treat until start to all from the beginning settlements is the main obstacle if it's not to freeze then we are actually killing and liquidating the two state solution now you just mentioned the united states and i'm sure you heard the trumpet the ministration as customer for any new american administration in times to try to. trying to resolve this crisis what has been your impression so far because trump is definitely not a smooth operator do you think he is more likely to make things better or worse when it comes to these very very complex issue. one of my regrets we have seen already how trump administration and trump himself is acting on different issues he is unpredictable he is this is the least we can say he is not stable in his

policy and i had a good at it is knowing that all the people that are working with him on the palestinian israeli issue are very very much a loyal to the israeli side so this is the whole situation all these factors are not to bring us to a good formula where i can be optimistic about what trumps administration can do in this region well there have been a number of publications and regional media. on our tram suppose it peace plan purportedly to be unveiled early next year and it's been alleged that washington meet call for a palestinian state in the gaza strip and if you and claves in the west bank but it would also insist on issues including the status of jerusalem including the right of return for labor day as far as you are concerned would that be an acceptable proposition well if you're asking my opinion this is not

a starter for anything this is the situation that is existing. what do we mean by a state if the core issues are to be postponed again we have to remember us law has been. signed twenty five years ago and it depended on the idea of postponing and we are seeing where it is leading now i think there is no way to postpone anything legislations about jerusalem going every day in the knesset and lead every day in the knesset and exerting gulf of of the west bank out of brought up in the knesset every day still to post one. what to create a new reality that is making the palestinian a state no more than a small autonomy and a sponsible for municipality i think this is not acceptable well speaking about the unpredictability of the trumpet ministration just

a few weeks ago it's threaten to close the washington office of the palestinian liberation organization if the palestinians did not immediately hold that campaign and the international criminal court to reach the p.l.o. responded that they would halt all contacts with american officials and i think it's a genuinely puzzling question what kind of strategy is going to be most effective and least counter productive with the trumpet ministration do you think halting contacts with the americans is going to work in favor of the palestinians i think that one of the most important. and i think that should be led first of all is to create alliances that are beyond the united states the united states on. who who. so i think of that a work with a general international community is very important to create

a counterpart on that the second thing i think the palestinian people have that i to use all the means to put pressure on the occupation and to make the occupation an affordable and going using the diplomatic ways or. legal ways to do that i think this is the minimum that can be done the people who still believe in the two state solution and who want to protect the. solution should be also active to. put pressure on the american of these violations of that. it's so funny people to use these mechanisms created by the international community these are mechanisms whether created from the beginning by the international community to wheels by only people who think that they have been violated i ask

a question about their eyeline says though because the palestinian authority is dependent on material support from saudi arabia for example which has been warming up to israel lately do you think the saudis can still be relied upon as a conduit it's all of the palestinian cause are is it all about that own agenda right now well in my opinion they. have always played by their own interests and by their own agenda but it is you said warming up in israel i think it's heating up with it's not only or may it's very clear that they are opening a clear channel and normalization actions with this is just in my opinion the delay of declaring the. plan is not by chance there is preparation steps that are taking including that

relations between israel and the. war they like. the others. what you called warming up there is a new a lion is alliance that is created now in the region and i think that the collapse of the american plans in iraq and in syria is very clear and shifting the american administration to create a new access and you. alliance in the region including israel as part of that opals ing on the other side what they say it is it on dry. to again keep this region entrenched and keep this region in avoiding dealing with the main problem of the palestinian issue and if i may very quickly ask you forgive the final question it is one thing when you have

a certain perhaps classified communication between officials let's say in israel and saudi arabia but public opinion is quite a different matter and i think in many arab countries the strong sentiment against israel. is. still still existing i wonder if the palestinian cause still gets any sympathy in the hearts of coleman folks and not only in saudi arabia but the cross the arab all do the arabs care about the palestinian issue as much as they used to first of all i have to say that i do differentiate between the ruling. people in the countries and the regimes and between the people the other peoples of that up nation have always understood that the palestinian issue is a core issue in the region and. very much with the palestinian people but we

have to remember that the whole arab nation that of war is. very much suffering in the last few years from the different. conflicts that we're created deliberately in my opinion and different countries. in syria and we have to remind ourselves who is these terrorist actions and all is supporting these terrorist groups is the united states of america and it is some of the doesn't seems like this olivia so when when the arab people in each country when egyptians when. i doubt he would syrians out of very much. that a little of the woods the blood the. conflicts in their countries close they are enough to abe both decided that it's like in the past with the palestinians but if you ask them you will find out that they are still understanding well mr muslim and

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