the us occupation of the palestinian territories there is no possibility to dream for a good life for the palestinian people and for the israeli jewish people without thinking about solving this continuous conflict and ending the occupation and establishing a palestinian state so what ever we are talking about year if we don't pull put the palestinian issue and the continuance of the patient in the forefront we are missing the point now israel likes to market it sounds as the only democracy in the middle east and i heard you say before a dive a more accurate description would be the jewish democracy a democracy or a country where you have to be a jew to fully exercise your democratic rights what exactly do you mean by that well first of all the definition of the israeli state is jewish and democratic in my opinion for the arab citizens of is that it is a jewish state for the jewish. citizens they will kinetics this is how it

goes it splits but in my opinion even that situation has deteriorated in the last thirty years this country is led by a government to change the whole this a nation of the state it's not like i agreed in the past that it is the full democracy but it's even less and less as through the years and the last three years there were a huge attack on the margins of the state on the. judicial system on the media on the civil society and dispassionately on that ites of the palestinian citizens of israel so for might a good act there is no way to talk about the only democracy in the middle east yes it might be a little bit more than welcome to take all the other. countries that own the but is

it i likes usually to equal it's to the countries when it is when they are talking about economy but when democracy they want only to compare with many of your critics would point out that your own status as a member of the knesset and the success of other. arab israeli politicians is a contradiction to your claim to be israel's arabic population is not being treated fairly the fact that you are who you are that you do what you do is that not a testament to israel's political diversity its democracy is all about to be elected by all of your own constituency i think this is very wrong to think of that way there is no contradiction between the fact that even the israeli governments in the last ten fifteen years is admitting larry clearly that there was discrimination and still discrimination against they had

a population of is that that doesn't mean that they deprived us from the right to be elected although you know that there was a little legislated lately one year ago for. expulsion of members of that may set and it meant mainly members so this is not an issue of. israel it is an issue of that trust of a lot of people who elected us and brought us to the knesset in order to represent them there is no contradiction at all well i think it's also an issue of. electoral strategy because as you perhaps would agree with me the issue of palestinian unity both in israel and in the occupied territories has long been a challenge to the successive israeli governments i think. have taking advantage of and what allowed you and some of your. arab colleagues to get elected into

parliament back in two thousand and fifteen was putting your differences aside and indeed focusing on the on the common good does this experience of yours all for any broader lessons for the palestinian cause yes of course the joint less experience experience of bringing four different parties from different ideologies together. very. good and all to mr. model for not only our people the palestinian people in the west bank and gaza but also for that aboard who is suffering from healt fragment days asian and even civil wars and is looking for a situational theon it is for the best of the people and i think we managed to give an example and we are continuing to do it in order to bring hope to the people that

you are stronger when you are united around the causes that you believe in now i know that you're also a feminist and fred that in order to advance women's rights you consciously work together with political groups have diametrically opposing views let's say on the issue of occupation and i think that kind of pragmatism i agree with you that kind of pride which is the ability to put your a politics aside for the sake of the common good it's very inspiring but i wonder what goes into sustaining that how do you guard against division in this one division this is also a political tool and. sometimes paddled quite consciously by various political groups well it is not a clear cut as you might. think it's not like everybody would law to call. only for the sake of one. put aside all the difference is.

of course it is a very delicate. dilemmas that usually i face when i want to cooperate with others who deny even sometimes my right of existence as part of a minority or that sometimes is welling to lead. to more critical legislations because of political view the. clear where we can call but it is very much limited and you have to be careful with it when you do it to tell you the truth it's a dilemma of every day it's not easy. to cooperate with people who deny your own people the right of existence when they deny you with that i'd also equality as a full citizen and you have to be very careful in that because sometimes it can be used against you i've interviewed

a number of israeli and palestinian negotiators over the years almost all of them happen to be male so they all blame the other side for not willing to compromise we're not willing to move or had for being too captive to the short term political considerations and i don't want to to propagate gender stereotypes i think wind women can also be pretty hard headed but i wonder if as a famine if you believe that women could perhaps bring a different emphasis in today's never ending negotiating process well i believe a woman have different experiences and there are the have different tools of solving conflicts because of those experiences they view things in a different way because they have rules in their life rules of their lives are different but that doesn't mean that being a woman is it all to magically lead to be a different and go shit or. a better negotiator as

a feminist i believe what leads people is that ideology is their believes is their commitment to to end the occupation and militarism i think that. can bring a different political point of view and not only women and you know also men can be feminists if they have that i. absolutely you know not so long ago we had another prominent israeli politician here on the show that see believe me who is like yourself a strong advocate of the two state solution who is also a feminist. who believes in negotiating but who is in the opposition to the current government of benjamin netanyahu like yourself but all those common features about the two of you as far as i understand i'm not enough to bridge the ideological divide that exists between the various opposition parties in israel why do you think there is so little solidarity and focus on the common cause among these

really opposition well first of all i think that this is a sickness that is existing in my opinion and many of the. left wing parties all over the wards i think that we are more focusing on the differences of the the common things an extra obstacle in israel for that is the national background there is a diligent and of the political activism of the. citizens of the palestinian citizens. and also of the party that believe me. you just heard the new head of the. labor party saying that. to my zinga a new partnership with us. so there is first of all the ideology that super livni

comes from that sometimes is an obstacle for compensation but also the legitimizing the us as a policy and community as at present that have some of this community is another huge obstacle that those parties have to come over and to understand that the only way to solve this situation and to get rid of the nuts and yells government is by. old soul connecting to us i'm trying to find a way how to get that well mr muslim and we have to take a short break now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. it

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historical sites what of that is non-negotiable and where do you seeing adjustments could be me well first of all i think we are not even in that situation with this government this government is actually netanyahu government is refusing to negotiate and nobody's talking about a place process that is not process there is nothing going on that is a to stoop put pressure on the palestinian leadership to accept any kind of agreement i think that it is. very well known that there are limits or or. yes limits that cannot be. compromised talking about jerusalem is an issue is not. compromised by the palestinian authority or. israeli side we can see how

the occupation in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven became a kind of annex yeah and they are insisting this government is insisting enough to negotiate at all i am still supporting the two state solution the. public and the palestinian public will be changed immediately if they see. that something will be happening but we in the last minutes of this solution this can be destroyed or can be irreversible. in the next one year if the situation good did you like this solution would be impossible without a negotiating process and amps folk and turned off palestinian officials or palestinian. residents i guess over the palestine you cannot even refer to them as citizens who have a very strong feeling that. this negotiating process about the palestinian state

would has become a means of denying them that statehood because the negotiations have been going on for so long in so many formats usually leading to nothing to benefit di cost and prolonging the occupation and and the end of the day advancing these really policies do you think it's fair do you think it's genuine and you know honest to call for more negotiations or to try one more time when at the end of the day it all adds up with palestinians being disappointed even more well i think the word should ask questions about the will. of negotiation really on the israeli side another of the palestinian side the palestinian side. have not a lot of choices and the people who are looking for an independent.

freedom from liberation from occupation they understand that the main even if they will fight eventually that has to be a negotiating in my opinion negotiation was misused only used. to bring into the new situation where only delaying the problem and creating facts. on the good ol if any negotiation has to happen it has first of all to be sponsored by an international international community and not only by the united states then as states of america is not an objective. power in what's concerning israel and palestine second it has to be clear from the beginning that it is heading for a two state solution on the borders of the night is six to seven and that's good it to return to start all from the beginning settlements is the main obstacle if

it's not to freeze then we are actually killing and liquidating the two state solution now you just mentioned the united states and i'm sure you heard the trumpet the ministration as customer for any new american administration in times to try to. trying to resolve this crisis what has been your impression so far because trump is definitely not a smooth operator do you think he is more likely to make things better or worse when it comes to these very very complex issue. my opinion already how trump administration and trump himself is at c.n.n. is that. a very very much of the israeli side show this is the whole situation all these factors are not to bring us to a good formula where i can be optimistic about what trumps administration can do in

this region well there have been a number of publications and regional media. on trump's suppose it peace plan purportedly to be unveiled early next year and it's been alleged that washington meet call for a palestinian state in the gaza strip and a few claves in the west bank but it would also insist on issues including the status of jerusalem including the right of return for labor day as far as you are concerned would that be an acceptable proposition well if you're asking my opinion this is not a starter for anything this is a stipulation that is existing. what do we mean by a state if the core issues are to be postponed again we have to remember us law has been. twenty five years ago. and now i think there is no way to postpone anything the legislation is about

jerusalem going every day in the knesset and lead every day in the knesset and exceed it engulfs of of the west bank brought up in the knesset every day still to post one work to create a new reality that is making the palestinian a state no more than a small autonomy and responsible for municipality i think this is not acceptable well speaking about the unpredictability of the trumpet ministration just a few weeks ago it stretch into closed the washed. an office of the palestinian liberation organization if the palestinians did not immediately hold that complain in the international criminal court to which the p.l.o. responded they would halt all contacts with american officials and i think it's a genuinely puzzling question what kind of strategy is going to be most effective and least counter productive with the trumpet ministration do you think halting

contacts with the americans is going to work in favor of the palestinians i think that one of the most important. and i think that should be the first of all. alliances beyond the united states the united states. who who. so i think is that a work with a general international community is very important to part on that the second thing i think.