let's say if at this time in history the most forbidding character to american media tumeric and western europe you know i think forbidding kind of. cross into that into another world i'm glad i got here i mean i did mr castro and i did mr chavez i did mr arafat's and also as a yahoo as a character when he was out of office back when he was out of office he's now in power forever it seems but these characters all led me to this moment with mr putin . and i frankly i enjoyed the meeting him i met him originally on the at the one of my trips to russia because i was interviewing snowden a lot we were doing research with ed and a lot of the movie and soden was represents what ad this point of view was so getting that information took time and we came back and we're trying to be accurate

the last scene of the movie was shot in moscow so after a by one i met mr putin which is in the back room of a theater in moscow a play an old like hundred sixty s. play he was attending to promote folkloric culture. we met the back and i asked him about mr snowden and he gave me the russian version his version of what happened which was fascinating different than what we had been told in the public newspapers and so forth but anyway long telling the story quickly is getting back to the end of the movie of snowden we shot in moscow to a weekend with with ed and then we turned around a few days later we went to the kremlin and we shot mr putin over three days and. at that time we didn't know if this would go on it was simply you know take it as it comes like you're doing and play it by ear it was spontaneous i gave melissa

quick questions i was areas that i was going to cover but it wasn't limited he didn't say it was totally spontaneous i didn't have any limitation oh all the way to us and as you can see by every day i look different he was always the same he looked very together i was sometimes. but here was blowin in the wind. i guess i changed appearances several jobs but. in other words i'm the opposite of american anchor i don't look like megan kelly i will look like you even. sam that's a compliment. i know what kind of great effort it takes to get that kind of access but. that's not easy i mean a lot of russian journalists and top journalists don't get that kind of access right and i know how much effort it took you to make this happen and make it come together and then the minute this comes out it was so talked about in russia and obviously the whole american press right away lashed out are you saying yourself

flattering to certain that you're about entry or just want to do you care it is again it under your skin because that's a lot of work you do it with putting it was a lot of work but i didn't consider my i never said i was a journalist and i didn't pretend to be what i well that this is a book. a movie a film director you know me from the films and you may know me from some of the past interviews i did with the public figures but i'm not pretending to be anything else i know you said in response that you know you don't have an opinion about anything that you're doing that you're nurture role will the opinions of change because then i'm talking about the putin movie but at the same time i watched a series you said a lot of flattering things about you know do you feel like you manage to stay objective and neutral i think if you see the movies i do it's a must but i try to stick to what i feel is the truth and i don't. take i didn't say one false word to mr p. at all i did say what i meant it when i said it when i said to him and that one of

the i think one of the first the things i said was it strikes me that you're this you're a son of russia because when you came into the country at a time when it was just in the dumps it was one nine hundred ninety nine two thousand the place was a mass. the real economic story and what you did was you turned things around no one can take that away from you and i think that's one of the reasons he's still popular is that because he brought a sense of place destiny a sense that we we are russian we have much to be proud of we have a history and he really is certain the concept of a sovereign country which was crucial because russia was not a sovereign country from approximately ninety one two to two thousand it was losing that sovereignty completely the united states was and other people were walking all over the place and basically monitoring whatever they want and they were all over the the nuclear certainly the nuclear industry but look the point is that putin

gave russia something that is really important in this world and we can get back to that because that's the bottom line is we need an anchor in the world we need a resistance to exist to the call of the dominion of the united states i know that you know on talk about politics but this is a very happy type of question you have sighted people. who have done movies cost chavez putin i mean this are strongman you know obviously have attraction to strongman do you feel like this is diffused here of politics leaders like that they're very strong uncompromising. very controversial in many ways or should politics be about dialogue and political correctness well it is about the long term and these men all were open to dialogue and you can argue who did who said what to who but the point was that castro try to negotiate with the united states for a long time and he was rebuffed not only was your buff he was insulted in the they tried to assassinate him many times so you know where what is dialogue dialogue is

important and mr chavez certainly had a point of view he was if you remember he shook obama's hand he really has hoping that there was going to be a new approach from the united states didn't happen so it is about dialogue it's about compromise politics and above all if i. give you an overall opinion of mr putin he said he's the ultimate negotiator you wear you out he really believes in talking out everything there's no there are certain points of interest for every country has its national interests and he constantly harks on this russia has its national interests and he's open to the gut to negotiating anything but those national interests and when you cross the line. he will let you know as you know i pushed him but whatever people say i pushed him and certainly i could feel his irritation when i was pushing him hard on the democracy question on this the question of his succession in what's going to happen next year there were times i

riled him more than once but i am concerned and the reason i undertook the series was i was very concerned about going back to my relationship to russia what happened to the american russian relationship that had existed in two thousand if you like your film can change american perception on point because it hurts all some dolly it does to some degree. more than several million people saw it which is and this is on a premium cable channel showtime is not on a national channel like in russia so you have a limited prescription audience that it was seen and seen again but it was also shown in europe in a lot of places and we had a very good debate in france i was public television channel three in france and. you've heard vedder in the x. foreign minister of mr beattie all defended the movie very well i thought against and the several other people against the opposition it was the debate was very french but in other words in europe and germany france these things matter italy

very important now whether things change as a result it's hard to tell because the recently as you know the united states congress which stuns me voted almost unanimously for sanctions to be expanded against russia. this happened recently so it seems to be almost a reaction to trump. as putin says a domestic politics you feel like trump is trying to sort of way emulate leaders like putin to help syria's i'm not sure i can tell you what is in donald trump's head on all the anyone can and if they tell you that i don't think he's stupid i think he's a very sharp guy and i'm sure he wrecks respects the. he may misunderstand mr putin too so i don't know but he certainly hasn't lived up to the idea that he gave many people during the campaign that he was against any foreign of the interventions that he thought the united states it squandered its resources its assets in wars

abroad so we there was his thinking that it would change but it hasn't changed not because of his willpower it that because he hasn't been able to get anywhere in his administration it behaves been stuck in gridlock from the beginning opposition has been severe also because of russia now because no less can i ask you really that has been the excuse. he's been attacked profoundly for russia there's no evidence as yet and i've seen indicates that russia is in any collusion with mr donald trump i mean he's not this meant suring candidate and i thought there was a surprisingly stupid story but it got a lot of traction in america which worries me and shows you how frankly stupid the american voter can be if you believe that i don't believe most of them do but i could i don't know that the polling is off on it it doesn't make sense if you're saying no one that is elected gets to change the system does it even in america you know what for in america yeah well that's what mr putin says at the end of the

interview if you remember he says he's been through four presidents and i asked him what's changed and he said basically nothing. so he's indicating that there's a bureaucracy he called it a bureaucracy in america they call it a deep state bureaucracy that has been resistant to change certainly the policies towards russia for the most part united states been highly negative since one thousand nine hundred seventy since the revolution when mr wilson president wilson said american troops to siberia to join the british expeditionary force. join me every thursday on the alex salmond schill and i'll be speaking to us from

the world of politics sport i'm showbusiness i'll see you then. elliston is getting international recognition with the help of israel at least in the world of zoos i'm in milford was dismissive to do it like you know. this isn't my cup of tea is something i'm going out to study hall meetings you know john without a doubt over there you should be the only palestinians who gets the most help from his jerusalem counterparts i don't think there's some of those who endure under the oak vision there's no one who could do this. and though it does all of us not just you have to this lady in the midst of that you had i not going to continue in that doesn't seem to do more commitments last time because often. i was born and. it was my home for twenty five years the fire in the four easy to

hold it all well. now that was the most heartbreaking thing i've ever seen in my life it was such it was beyond traumatic you know we will felt by the state before and often a file grenfell changed everything it's all politics now and how we can take power . if we continue to stand a making noise and people out we can change this community. we need to realize that collectively we have real power with real real power to shape our destinies and to be artisans of office so we need to seize these opportunities in an organized.

while come back to sophie and co now the other day i sat down with the legendary filmmaker oliver stone in a moscow bookstore and asked him whether a second cold war was just a figure of speech or is there are more to it it's a figure of speech for sure cold war it's a very dangerous war it's on the you know you can even say that the original cold war was really a cold war where there were so many proxy wars that were fought in the name of fighting communism that you like vietnam. among others korea.

you wonder how many people died in the name of that cold war and you know millions of the third world people have been hurt after all over africa there was battles. and certainly in them we've seen now in the middle east we've seen enormous amount of damage. the specter of communism doesn't work anymore the united states was not able to use that but there is this and haran carry over in fact and i'm sure that's in the minds of those congressmen when they vote against for the expansion of russian sanctions in their mind it's it's some form of the old russia and they can't get it they can't get one side of the line away in the eighty's in the ninety's how come they came back so strongly i mean what is going to take for that paradigm to disappear from american mind generation was quite surprised by that i was so in fact shocked i talking to mr gorbachev was one of the most wonderful moments of my life it was i felt in one thousand nine hundred ninety my lifetime was a spring springtime of hope

a new feeling that this thing was going to change you know that the the wall came down. all the europe eastern european countries expressed love bloodless revolution really a bloodless revolution and russia. relatively both. and i was and mr gorbachev you know was not the crook in america we saw him as a lion as a hero and in this country of course he was seen as a weak man who had lost control of this of this empire so it's a whole different view of it and i've been see mr gorbachev since then i've been through his criticisms of mr putin and i have to say the last time i saw him he said that mr putin is the guy for now whatever they say because america has violated that compact he made in one nine hundred ninety eight hundred eighty nine that nato would not go east one inch if the germany's were united he allowed for

that. that has not happened nato has been accelerated under you know under the american under clinton and and bush and obama. so and mr gorbachev as pointed out also the the what mr putin says is they greedy on the abrogation of the a.b.m. treaty by the by bush by mr bush in two thousand and one was a vast mistake it and it undermines the the nationals the the balance of power that exists between the two countries on top of that you have the american support putin the scent of terrorists in the caucasus on top of that you have opposing points of view on ukraine obviously and mr putin states his case very clearly in this book what his case is which americans don't hear and on top of that you have syria which again it's amazing to me how under reported that war is. archie has covered one of our yemen aren't you guys how are some to report any and i don't have

a laundry list i want to be add more about this and the context in which this book came out fails in a weird way that when the actual cold war is in place it was just clean cut you know you had two sides that where against each other now for me it's so much more scarier because the world is marked by paul or and there's so much house around and everyone's trying to pull it all on themselves and all the conflicts that you just mentioned and many more that we didn't mention are going on because of that and we don't understand how they're going to end or if they're going to and it's always messy. you're young like hell you must be in your son or not that young but thank you i guess you know to me the original cold war was very confusing and not so clean us against them in fact i went to vietnam as a young man believing that we were five communism in other words there were a lot of disguises and when you look back at the whole history of that period as we

tried to do untold history the united states i would have to tell you that it's very clear that it was a farce that the united states really pulled the wool over the world and declaring and making the soviet union the fall guy after having won world war two they made them the fall guy for war two two and equated hitler with stalin and also all this stuff went on it comes out of the this misunderstanding of what that first cold war was. america has spent a fortune fighting this war and it's deprived its own people us the american people of better education better system more security health welfare all these things that give me those problems now this social net perry could have come out of that instead of beans the the money being spent on the cold war court and it never let up i remember in eighty nine there was talk of a peace what happened to the peace dividend

a few weeks after the berlin wall fell mr bush sr was. troops to the middle east point and it was a big thing because we went when we said five hundred thousand troops to vietnam was actually under lyndon johnson that was a huge deal in the press made a big big number out of that not not since world war two that we knew those numbers were too big we were fighting with too many men we don't it won't work it was too big and what happened we forgot about it reagan mr reagan helped a lot with his campaign to forget the vietnam war and we were sending a half million men again abroad to fight in the middle east we never got out of the middle east i made a movie about it called w in which dick cheney the dick cheney's character have to ask what what's our exit policy says there is no exit and the truth is we haven't there is no exit to iraq we're here those five hundred thousand men in one form or another have never left the middle east so this is heartbreaking stuff if you have

any sense of history when i knew it was a mistake i thought the iraq war one was a huge mistake i thought there was plenty of room to negotiate when films like that come out w for instance are at the untold history of the united states and want to even mention how as a percent in america when you pretty much denounce a lot of troops and facts in american history i can't tell you it's easy but i think it's the most some of the most important work i've done in my life i'm very proud of those two films. i paid a price for because i guess some people will you know they don't consider me in the debate but neither do they consider people like noam chomsky so there is no center in the united states political discourse it's all center right ever since the clinton camp people came into power the center right has become the right and there is no peace party that exists in my country i don't see any evidence of it except this third party that is so criticized the the green party among others arrows make

fun of it you know why i don't know me so well a year in america i always had the feeling the democrats would did the least we were concerned about peace now that seems to have been squandered that feeling is squandered and i don't sense any any sense of consensus the only one who did it was bernie sanders and if you remember correctly he very rarely mentioned foreign policy he stayed away from it because he was to socialistic for america to actually well i don't know much because america may hand up in relatively has to go may have to go more socialistic in order to survive because if things fall apart and we continue to have crises after crises stock market explosion dump to change something but remember mr obama song what was it seven hundred fifty billion dollars into the economy that's i would call that a socialist move. so you know where the united states is going is a very it's interesting i think i'm going to try to stick around and seek to that

kind of one thousand nine hundred fifty s. primitivism like a joe mccarthy i was told when i was a young boy the soviets are in our schools they are in our colleges they are there they're creeping into our system where the soviets are going to take us over without even a war that was i heard this from serious people. you know it is you have to allow that this mentality exists and when you're around a vigilante mob that hangs people it's scary because you common sense goes out the window it's the first thing decency and humanity you go out mentality see in the you know a lot about politics you know politicians and you know something about scripts give me a scenario of how this should work out. a reality are you asking for a movie mr putin resigns which is insane and support him i don't see any way out right now. no third parties do exist they come into being there's de gaulle's that

come up from charles de gaulle you hope for a french leader or a european leader i was very disappointed in merkel throughout this whole process because she knows better she knows the real story of ukraine she she doesn't fall for it because her foreign minister was involved they knew they knew what was going was a coup d'etat the ukraine and but in other words there's has to be some kind of european leader the one thing you know to america. yeah that's one way to put it mr de gaulle i was around when mr goss said no to america that was quite really have friends you know look young to you i mean they have. their own way of going to go is really a proud man and proud for france. one hopes for that but there's other ways that the blocks can be broken there's of course china that's a huge number but the united states has to hit a hard line on china doesn't say it like it does say it about russia but the reason that we're arming korea to the degree that we are and japan is truly against the

chinese to encircle the chinese. but i worry about korea because we again have so much or so many arms we put into japan and korea. you know these things can but it can blow up in a second it's like a tinderbox. well it doesn't look good at your age i would like to live out the rest of my life you know what do you do what do you do you bringing attention to it that's the best you can do right now. to my view you should make at movie about this and you shouldn't certainly not in your career i think it was an increase of four hundred s. when i did this because i did care and i want to i want i want peace to have a chance and i think every time i talk to mr putin over those thirty hours i never sensed any other desire on his part but to have a balance of power respect for each other sovereignty and a sense of peace in the world here and that's what people don't accept from him. they can't believe that this man who was they consider a villain is

a number of peace. oliver stone thank you very much it was francis they still getting into france to the land where they were thinking. league. level war hawks selling you on the idea that dropping bombs brings police to the chicken hawks forcing you to fight the battle of. the new socks for the tell you the celebrity gossip the public by file for the most important news. off of our eyes and tell me you are not cool enough to fight. this all the hawks that we along with all those walking.

they call me a useful idiot i mean you called me a useful idiot a useful idiot useful idiots go expressing my opinions on t.v. there are still sins of us doing it behind his record is the same strategy we attack persons instead of talking about the org what's next why stop me from getting this close to the white house i'm with a group code pink why not ban the color pink one hour stretch beyond the right i should be sent to the town because i'm going to try to break me on the wheel but out with a long time of this sort of nonsense you don't scare me and i'll continue to voice my opinion i'll continue to speak to him in good company i'm in good company you're going to be you want to do this because we'll freethinking.

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