to be accurate the last scene of the movie was shot in moscow so after a by one i met mr putin which is in the back room of a theater in the moscow a play an old like hundred sixty s. play he was attending to promote folkloric culture. we met in the back and i asked him about mr snowden and he gave me the russian version his version of what happened which was fascinating different than what we had been told in the public newspapers and so forth but anyway long telling the story quickly is getting back to the end of the movie of snowden we shot in moscow to a weekend with with ed and then we turned around a few days later we went to the kremlin and we shot mr putin over three days and. at that time we didn't know if this would go on who was simply you know take it as it comes like you're doing and play it by ear it was spontaneous i gave melissa

quick questions i was areas that i was going to cover but it wasn't limited he didn't say it was totally spontaneous i didn't have any limitation or all the way to us and as you can see every day i look different he was always the same he looked very together i was sometimes. well here was blown in the way and. i guess i changed appearances several jobs but. in other words i'm the opposite of an american anchor i don't look like megan kelly i don't look like you even. that's a compliment. i know what kind of great effort it takes to get that kind of accent but. that's not easy i mean a lot of russian journalists and top journalists don't get that kind of access right and i know how much effort it took you to make this happen and make it come together and then the minute this comes out it was so talked about in russia and obviously the whole american press right away lash out are you saying yourself flattering to that you're

a bad entry or just want to do you care to get under under your skin because that's a lot of work you did with putting it was a lot of work but i didn't consider my i never said i was a journalist and i didn't pretend to be what i well that this is a book. a movie a film director you know me from the films and you may know me from some of the past interviews i did with the public figures but i'm not pretending to be anything else i know you said in response that you know you don't have an opinion about anything that you're doing that you're nurture role will the opinions of change because then i'm talking about the putin movie but at the same time i watched a series you said a lot of flattering things about you know do you feel like you manage to stay objective and neutral i think if you see the movies i do it's a must but i try to stick to what i feel is the truth and i don't. take i didn't say one false word to mr p. at all i did say what i meant it when i said it when i said to him and that one of

the i think one of the first the things i said was it strikes me that you're this you're a son of russia because when you came into the country at a time when it was just in the dumps it was one nine hundred ninety nine two thousand the place was a mass. the real economic story and what you did was you turn things around no one can take that away from you and i think that's one of the reasons he's still popular is that because he brought a sense of place destiny a sense that we we are russian we have much to be proud of we have a history and he really is certain the concept of a sovereign country which was crucial because russia was not a sovereign country from approximately ninety one two to two thousand it was losing that sovereignty completely the united states was and other people were walking all over the place and basically monitoring whatever they want and they were all over the the nuclear certainly the nuclear industry but look the point is that putin

gave russia something that is really important in this world and we can get back to that because that's the bottom line is we need an anchor in the world we need a resistance to exist to the call of the dominion of the united states i know that you know on talk about politics but this is a very happy type of question you have sighted people. who have done movies cost chavez putin i mean this are strongman you know obviously have attraction to strongman do you feel like this is diffused here of politics leaders like that they're very strong uncompromising. very controversial in many ways or should politics be about dialogue and political correctness well it is about the long term and these men all were open to dialogue and you can argue who did who said what to who but the point was that castro tried to negotiate with the united states for a long time and he was rebuffed not only was your buff he was insulted in the they tried to assassinate him many times so you know where what is dialogue dialogue is important and mr chavez certainly had

a point of view he was if you remember he shook obama's hand he really has hoping that there was going to be a new approach from the united states didn't happen so it is about dialogue it's about compromise politics and above all if i. give you an overall opinion of mr putin he said he's the ultimate negotiator you wear you out he really believes in talking out everything there's no there are certain points of interest for every country has its national interests and he constantly hearts on this russia has its national interests and he's open to the gut to negotiating anything but those national interests and when you cross the line. he will let you know as you know i pushed him whatever people say i pushed him and certainly i could feel his irritation when i was pushing him hard on the democracy question on the the question of his succession in what's going to happen next year there were times i riled him more than once but i am concerned and the reason i undertook the series

was i was very concerned about going back to my relationship to russia what happened to the american russian relationship that had existed in two thousand if you like your film can change american perception on point because it hurts all some dolly it does to some degree i'll tell you more than several million people saw it which is and this is on a premium cable channel show time is not on a national channel like in russia so you have a limited prescription audience that it was seen and seen again but it was also shown in europe in a lot of places and we had a very good debate in france i was public television channel three in france and. you've heard vegetarian the x. foreign minister of mr beattie all defended the movie very well i thought against and several other people against the oppositions it was the debate was very french but in other words in europe in germany france these things matter italy very

important now whether things change as a result it's hard to tell because the recently as you know the united states congress which stuns me voted almost unanimously for sanctions to be expanded against russia. this happened recently so it seems to be almost a reaction to trump. as putin says a domestic politics you feel like trump is trying to sort of way emulate leaders like putin behalf he is i'm not sure i can't tell you what is in donald trump's head i don't think anyone can and if they tell you that i don't think he's stupid i think he's a very sharp guy and i'm sure he wrecks respects the. he may misunderstand mr putin to so i don't know but he certainly hasn't lived up to the idea that he gave many people during the campaign that he was against any for any of the interventions that he thought the united states it squandered its resources its assets in wars

abroad so we there was his thinking that it would change but it hasn't changed not because of his willpower it but because he hasn't been able to get anywhere in his administration it behaves been stuck in gridlock from the beginning opposition has been severe also because of russia now because no let's can i ask you really that has been the excuse the has been attacked profoundly for russia there's no evidence as yet and i've seen indicates that russia is in any collusion with mr with donald trump i mean he's not this meant suring candidate and i thought there was a surprisingly stupid story but it got a lot of traction in america which worries me and shows you how frankly stupid the american. voter can be if you believe that i don't believe most of them do but i could i don't know that the polling is off on it doesn't make sense if you're saying no one that is elected gets to change the system does it even you know what for in america yeah well that's what mr putin says at the end of the interview if

you remember he says he's been through four presidents and i asked him what's changed and he said basically nothing. so he's indicating that there's a bureaucracy he called it a bureaucracy in america they call it a deep state a bureaucracy that has been resistant to change certainly the policies towards russia have for the most part united states been highly negative since one thousand nine hundred seventy since the revolution when mr wilson president wilson said american troops to siberia to join the british expeditionary force.

but politicians to do something to. put themselves on the line. to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president i'm sure. somehow i want to be that's. what's it like to be for us it's like i'm a forty three in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters of the how. things should. join me every thursday on the alex simon chill and i'll be speaking to a guest of the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then. manufacture consent to public wealth. when the ruling classes

protect themselves. in the final. we can all middle of the room sick. and is getting international recognition with the help of israel at least in the world of zoos remember wolf it dismiss it like you believe this is my cousin he is going to have the study hall maybe. john does. the only palestinians who gets the most hope from its jerusalem counterparts i don't think there's some of those who in the world under the old vision. look at it this way. and know it is unfair advantage to have this lady of the muscle that you

have and i'm going to continue muslims you to do more. don't piss off. welcome back to sophie and co now the other day i sat down with the legendary filmmaker oliver stone in a moscow bookstore and asked him whether a second cold war was just a figure of speech or raised or more to it it's a figure of speech for sure. cold war it's a. very dangerous war it's on the you know you can even say that the original cold war was really a cold war where there were so many proxy wars that were fought in the name of

fighting communism that you like vietnam among others korea. you wonder how many people have died in the name of that cold war and you know millions of the third world people have been hurt after all over africa there was battles. and certainly in them we've seen now in the middle east we've seen enormous amount of damage. the specter of communism doesn't work anymore the united states was not able to use that but there is this and haran carry over in fact and i'm sure that in the minds of those congressmen when they vote against it for the expansion of russians actions in their mind it's it's some form of the old russia and they can't get it they can't even tell you anyway in the eighty's in the ninety's how come it came back so strongly i mean what is going to take for that paradigm to disappear from american mind generation was quite surprised by that i was in fact shocked i talking to mr gorbachev was one of the most wonderful moments

of my life it was i felt in one thousand nine hundred nine in my lifetime was a spring springtime of hope a new feeling that this thing was going to change you know that the the wall came down. all the year eastern european countries expressed love bloodless revolution really a bloodless revolution and russia. relatively both. and i was mr gorbachev you know was not the crook in america we saw him as a lion as a hero and in this country of course he was seen as a weak man who had lost control of this of this empire so it's a whole different view of it and i've been see mr gorbachev since then i've been through his criticisms of mr putin and i have to say the last time i saw him he said that mr putin is the guy for now whatever they say because america has violated that compact he made in one thousand nine hundred eighty eighty nine that

nato would not go east one inch if the germany's were united he allowed for that. that has not happened nato has been accelerated under the not go under the americans under clinton and and bush and obama so and mr gorbachev has pointed out also the the what mr putin says is they greedy on the abrogation of the a.b.m. treaty by the by bush by mr bush in two thousand and one was a vast mistake it and it undermines the nationals the the balance of power that exists between the two countries on top of that you have the american support. putin the scent of terrorists in the caucasus on top of that you have opposing points of view on ukraine obviously and mr putin states his case very clearly in this book what his case is which americans don't hear and on top of that you have syria which again it's amazing to me how under reported that war is. she has

covered what about yemen aren't you. going to be on the list i want to talk more about this and the context in which this book came out fills in a weird way that when the actual cold wars in place it was just clean cut you know you have two sides that where against each other now for me it's so much more scarier because the world is polar and there's so much house around and everyone's trying to pull it all on themselves. and all those conflicts that you just mentioned and many more that we didn't mention are going on because of that and we don't understand how they can and or if they can and it's always messy. you're young like what you must be in your son or not that young but you think you are i guess you know to me the original cold war was very confusing and not so clean us against them in fact i went to vietnam as

a young man believing that we were fighting communism in other words there were a lot of disguises and when you look back at the whole history of that period as we tried to do an untold history the united states i would have to tell you that it's very clear that it was a farce that the united states really pulled the wool over the world's eyes and declaring and making the soviet union the fall guy after having won world war two they made them the fall guy for war two two and equated hitler with stalin and also all this stuff went on it comes out of the this misunderstanding of war of what that first cold war was america has spent a fortune fighting this war and it's deprived its own people us the american people of better education better system more security health welfare all these things that give me those problems now this social net that's disappearing could have come

out of that instead of beans the the money being spent on the cold war so we paid a huge price for it and it never let up i remember in eighty nine there was talk of a peace dividend they talk of it what happened to the peace dividend a few weeks after the berlin wall fell mr bush sr was. going into iraq sending five hundred thousand troops to the middle east and i pointed out it was a big thing because we went when we said five hundred thousand troops to vietnam was actually under lyndon johnson that was a huge deal in the press made. big big number of that not not since world war two that we knew those numbers were too big we were fighting with too many men we don't it won't work it was too big and what happened we forgot about it reagan mr reagan helped a lot with his campaign to forget the vietnam war and we were sending a half million men again abroad to fight in the middle east we never got out of the

middle east i made a movie about it called w in which dick cheney the dick cheney's character have to ask what what's our exit policy says there is no exit and the truth is we haven't there is no exit to iraq we're here those five hundred thousand men in one form or another have never left the middle east so this is heartbreaking stuff if you have any sense of history. i knew it was a mistake i thought the iraq war one was a huge mistake i thought there was plenty of room to negotiate when films like that come on w for instance are at the untold history of the united states they want to even mention how as a percent in america when you pretty much denounce a lot of troops and facts in american history i can't tell you it's easy but i think it's the most some of the most important work i've done in my life i'm very proud of those two films i paid a price for because i guess some people would you know they don't consider me in the debate but neither do they consider people like noam chomsky so there is no

center in the united states political discourse it's all center right ever since the clinton camp people came into power the center right has become the right and there's no peace party that exists in my country and i don't see any evidence of it except this third party that is so criticized the the green party among others arrows make fun of it. you know why i don't know me so well a year in america i always had the feeling the democrats would the the people at least we were concerned about peace now that seems to have been squandered that feeling is squandered and i don't sense any any sense of consensus the only one who did it was bernie sanders and if you remember correctly he very rarely mentioned foreign policy he stayed away from it because he knew that was a third rail for him and he was to socialistic for america to actually well i don't know much because america may hand up in relatively has to go may have to go more socialistic in order to survive because if things fall apart and we continue to

have crises after crises stock market explosions and so forth and meltdowns there has to be you know right now and they want no way to trump to change something but remember a mr obama song what was it seven hundred fifty billion dollars into the economy that's i would call that a socialist move. so you know where the united states is going is a very it's interesting i think i'm going to try stick around and see because i think that's a great question it sounds i mean just to be on the sidelines and see what happens it could get really ugly and be pretty nasty too in terms of casualties and of course united states i would skip i'm scares me in the sense that it might lose its self control and out of the sense of panic and fear attack. this concept that russia is responsible for everything isn't saying but it's very easy to to resort to that kind of nineteen early one nine hundred fifty s. primitivism like a joe mccarthy i was told when i was

a young boy the soviets are in our schools they're in our colleges they are there they're creeping into our system where the soviets are going to take us over without even a war that was i heard this from serious people. you know it is you have to allow that this mentality exists and when you're around a vigilante mob that hangs people it's scary because you common sense goes out the window it's the first thing and decency and humanity you go out the window so it scares me that mentality and you know a lot about politics you know politicians and you know something about scripts give me a scenario of how this should work out. their reality are you asking for a movie from my point of view from the american side it's not going to happen any other way and that's what's frightening because i don't see that russia can take any initiative at this point except for surrender would completely all your nuclear arms and have

a regime change mr putin resigns which is insane to happen because the russian people support him i don't see any way out right now. no third parties do exist they come into being there's de gaulle's that come up from charles de gaulle you hope for a french leader or a european leader i was very disappointed in merkel throughout this whole process because she knows better she knows the real story of ukraine she doesn't fall for it because her foreign minister was involved they knew they knew what was going was a coup d'etat the crane and but in other words there's has to be some kind of european leader. the kind of thing you know to america and i think yeah that's one way to put it mr de gaulle i was around when mr goss said no to america that was quite really have friends you know look young to you i mean they have. their own way of going to go is really a proud man and proud for france. one hopes for that but there's other ways that the blocks can be broken there's of course china that's

a huge number but the united states has to hit a hard line on china doesn't say it like it does say it about russia but the reason that we're arming korea to the degree that we are and japan is truly against the chinese to encircle the chinese. but i worry about korea because we again have so much or so many arms we put into japan and korea. you know these things can but it can blow up in a second it's like a tinderbox. well it doesn't look good at your age i would like to live out the rest of my life you know what do you do what do you do you bringing attention to it that's the best you can do right now. to live you make at movie about this and you shouldn't certainly not in your career i thought it was an increase of four hundred s. when i did this because i did care and i want to i want i want peace to have a chance and i think every time i talk to mr putin over those thirty hours i never

sensed any other desire in his part but to have a balance of power respect for each other sovereignty and a sense of peace in the world here and that's what people don't accept from him. they can't believe that this man who was they consider a villain is a number of peace. oliver stone thank you very much it was priceless they so fading into france to live with everything. hey everybody i'm stephen baldwin tast hollywood guy suspects every proud

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