mainstream narratives some of which ultimately appear to have failed to persuade the british people to vote to remain in the european union his name is john pilger the award winning author and filmmaker who revealed to the world not only the horrors of nature wars but the deliberately hidden abuse of power by nature governments a retrospective of his entire film work is now being held at the british library where gulmarg for change a third of the world within decades of writing there the british library festival celebrates the acquisition of six decades of print film and radio from john pilger you can go and see some of the films and watch john pilger talk at the british library on the ninth and tenth of december he joins me now john thanks for coming back on what's your reaction to this of your work in the british library well i'm armed absolutely delighted the british library is is a wonderful institution. and i went to an exhibition the year or two ago about propaganda. and i thought it was really splendid.

so to be included in the iraq. is a particular wrong let's go to your first documentary i mean the british journalists are being sent to war zones right now and we never yugoslavia afghanistan libya of course syria and they always tend to show british troops proudly fighting for queen and country this ticket clip from this film nine hundred seventy the quiet mutiny where it doesn't seem so apparent. purpose in the war back home and no name explain to me why we're actually here. you know i really have nothing against these people i want to kill them. the words in the future you first . get the chance to shoot them. and still no one here at. three months. people this was nineteen seventy. there was then

a mutiny a rebellion going right through the drafted army in the united states and in in india at the us army in vietnam these soldiers is. really he speaks the mall. it was very unusual. at the time and very provocative when that film was put away in the world own actions by granada i t v. it was openly attacked by the then us ambassador friend of richard nixon's call and an big media mogul and the head of the independent television authority the regulator i forgot the first name so something phrased he was actually in the straight in the way you can tell he accused me of being a dangerous subversive. and that this was in

fact to stop playing to a cold in granada's senior executives and demanded that something be done about me well of course they didn't have any intention of doing anything about me the founder of granada television city bones and more bones mean i actually wrote to the sunday times saying it was a very kind of. journalism that he wanted to see more of more of such different days you talk about the use of drugs you talk about psyops units can you talk about a press conference language because you're seen in a quiet mutiny asking questions about and we've got to remember this is a war we get as if it is now saying up to four million killed by the united states the language used to talk about war even in this first of your films well the five o'clock follies for the daily press conference and the interesting thing is that

most journalists didn't believe a word of what was said by the u.s. spokesman i mean i have to say one almost felt sorry for him at times but i asked i thought what a pertinent questions and the question i asked in the film was how many u.s. . us servicemen how many u.s. soldiers had been cooled by mistake or by accident in their friendly friendly fire and the answer was more than fifty percent it was a shocking statistic it was a war of chaotic mistakes of disasters willfully began willfully executed but a war of terrible error is his prevarication his wavering while he didn't answer the question itself spoke volumes ok let's go to

a clip now from here zero the silent death of cambodia. these children are the end of a process began by impeccable politicians who took their decisions at great distance from the results of this savitri their style may have differed from pol pot's but the effect was the same the bombs are like falling rain wrote a child in nine hundred seventy three a year in which the tonnage of bombs dropped on cambodia exceeded by ha the entire tonnage dropped on japan in world war two the price of a cambodian life was incidentally one hundred dollars compensation making you zero was something of. a turning point for me i've never seen anything like it. when with my crew and david munroe my director and i made many films. very pipe of the

photographer. when we arrived in pen it was as if a ball my great bomb exploded and killed all the people left the buildings standing it was devastation population had been forced marched into the countryside and in the first monsoon rains the surreal which was there all the time really added to this with millions of dollars worth of bank notes flowing from the bank of cambodia which the camaro rouge had blown up as they fled and so the symbols within cambodia was of people were the main symbol was i suppose of one no woman trying to light

a fire would bank it's cambodia represented the whole distortion of the human experience the raining down off of bombs on a defenseless peasant people and that so that that impact we didn't do anything we didn't film and nothing for we were so we were so almost hypnotized horrified by this and yet you showed the connections with the u.s. policy coming out state department cambodia is no a would be used to describe the failure of the left in developing nations the failure of communism and just explain explain that even if it was in your film you're going to acting it up with the new imperialist policy coming out of washington was quite interesting the reaction to it had always stuck simply to assaulting people's emotions but those children you saw there even there you mentioned money in the clip we just gave this how do i stop to vote and not can

text realized it. and said that this has been brought about by this by by bombing by huge moral corruption cambodia then was a stricken country under sanctions no less from the end states even though the camaro rouge had gone and the command ridges represented in the members were being supported the command fled to the top botha where they were being supported. by the west and the committee of rouge represented they've been the united nations was recognized by the world so as a model contortion this was quite epic the conditions that created it the conclusion you were created by the american bombing the cia reports that came out following year zero. were very clear they said the nie paraphrase

al bombing provided the catalyst for the rise and rise of a small sect in the countryside that would never of come to power had we not bomb the country flat which they basically did what pull pump began kissinger and nixon completed they were there were two phases in the genocide in cambodia the film came under huge assault because it adapted why the why that's what i'll be talking about at the british library talking about documentaries the adding of the why you don't get it right all the time but if you have the evidence you do have the responsibility to attempt to draw a conclusion is you responsible just to show it without any conscious yes that is because you know what it's going to do it is going to. as i say scoop up people's

emotions and they're going to ask why but they won't get an answer to that question and things are going to be changing in cambodia or wherever. if people have the information of why i things have happened in the first place and that is the role of a documentary maker at least a political documentary maker and one dealing with such serious matters such as life and death in a country that was bombed many more times than hiroshima was why they leads might not have liked your wise what happened in the aftermath of that documentary being billed as from british t.v. it it was astonishing. it raised more than fifty million dollars un some of us that we didn't ask for any money and in it came the british people gave well i'll give you an example central television it was

really good and sends people well doesn't it went if we saw where it went because the next film cambodia you won we showed view view as we. our selves and oxfam is it in slightly different oxfam and ourselves. we both factories. that provided clothing to people previously the population had been ordered to wear all black by paul poppy's gang we provided food and medicines the first plane loads of vitamins for children antibiotics to know all were all provided by by not only the viewers of use iraq you must remember there was it was the media in a kind of two pronged thing i've written this for the daily mirror the daily mirror produced two issues one issue was almost entirely cambodia and

that issue sold out but people gave in small amounts that amounted to millions of pounds the b.b.c. this is an i.t.v. program the b.b.c. joined in can you believe there was a children's bringin by campaign at schools in primary schools using my film. that raised a million pounds and all of this all of this went directly into helping people of cambodia it became not so much charity. because the film itself was a political football it became something of a cause job thank you more from your after the break including him challenging south african leader nelson mandela told the civil coming up about to him going underground.

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admission in fact deflates the now popular conspiracy theory. welcome back west still here with legendary journalist and filmmaker john pilger join your journalism as up until the questionable victory design of the idea but i'd struggle let's go to a clip where you rather than just celebrating the the freedom of nelson mandela finally you challenge him i read that in bangkok the shia you said we are willing to deal with any region irrespective of the internal policies of any country is that is that correct only you know something that. would have happened to south africa if that the fed had been applied to the a.n.c.

during the struggle. if that attitude of tolerance had been applied surely apartheid might have lost it longer than it did but there is a real of fundamental difference with a point that i should say every other journalist at this time would celebrate the same ones that were calling him a terrorist actually on british media would now celebrating the freedom of this man well it's a lot to celebrate and i celebrated. he done twenty seven years inside and it's extraordinary my anniversary for that is your his death actually. extra absolute with all the advice and the first thing he said when i met him he said it's a great owner to have been baron from like which i've never known the president of a country you've been to suggest something like even if you would to me yes one of the early questions i asked him was. you've been really made into

a saint. how do you feel about that he said it's not the job i applied for. he had a he had a good sense of irony. although he didn't like the challenge and it was a time when mandela was being treated as a saint by all kinds of people for all kinds of reasons white liberals in south africa who really got away the white population let's say what the white population had got away scot free actually and mandela was the ticket because he made south africa respectable again i challenge mandela on a few things one what he'd said when he was released that all the great industries and the resources of south africa the gold in the minerals in the mines would come under public ownership and be owned by the people that the freedom

chahta which the a.n.c. said that it stood by would apply and he says it is in this film with us he says it does but it doesn't and that's when he said to me in in this interview i have to tell you that privatized sation is the fundamental policy of the a.n.c. and i said to him but that's the very opposite of what you said when you were released and that got me into quite a bit of trouble because i was seen as being disrespectful to mandela by even challenging him but that film apartheid did not die which said there were two apartheid's there was. racial apartheid and there was economic one would say class but economic apartheid economic apartheid

did not change and today i've just been in south africa economic apartheid runs right through the country. the majority of its people over thirty million still live in the most grinding poverty while i was there there was a terrible case not untypical of a young black kid who drowned in a school latrine pit in the same newspaper so i turned the pages they was south africa's first black billionaire that south africa has almost become a kind of model for an economic apartheid across the world and that hasn't changed and i suppose that was the essence. that was fairly clear to me at the time when i interviewed mandela that was really the only question that as

a journalist i could ask him it was a terribly respectful. interview and we spent some time chatting afterwards and so on so but he had said one thing and then said another thing and the other thing did not offer any real help to the majority of his people in which. who would put such faith in him not only in him but the whole a.n.c. apparatus he was he was very very faithful very loyal to the a and c. and the n.c.p. now is he's got a bad reputation in south africa. i'm not talking about white people we're talking about the majority of people i'm going to say that question did inspire me though as came in a few years later when he was selling arms in the middle east doesn't matter

himself why is it you think that to a lot of your fans as it was around the world you are known for your foreign affairs documentaries and filmmaking and yet you made school is the film's attacking abuses of power in this country you know and the same people who adore your films in certain foreign countries and others maybe forget about the ones you made against britain british policy when i first came to britain from a straight. i was sent to by the daily mirror to work and it was live in the north of england and this was during the most ferocious winter since the seventeenth century and i didn't have a coat but i love the place i was almost just in the end of the industrial revolution in the sixty's and the mines were still operating so here was

another closs of britain's i drew personally and professionally very close to understanding that great industrial history and its struggle i knew that in australia and europe through my parents and so i was i think quite committed at that stage to write and film quite a lot about the struggle in this country and to hear its witnesses. and i made one film for granada called conversations with a working man and it was simply jack who was a dive work. in keathley in yorkshire who spend his days standing up in die up to is up to is knees almost and

i'll stay him what he thought about and what he's politics. and walked his passions were and i got more from that interview from jack and from his family i think than from many interviews i've done with people with great institutional titles there are jack's these days of course they work in in in in great warehouses. packaging up things to send us and they work in the so-called hospitality business and so and if i was starting again perhaps i'd go to them but it's the one i would think it is the one major element missing and that is the story of work and the story of working people the media although the accents of changed there's plenty of

diversity. but the story of working class people and how they think and speak and what they want is still in many respects in many respects suppressed in particular the attack of course. the broke us here in britain not just the b.b.c. but to this day by day to b.b.c. when it comes to their coverage of wars and that's a good clip here from the war you don't see where you cross-examine someone from the b.b.c. . who's the palestinian equivalent of mark rego who appeared so often who's the palestinian equivalent of all those mainly female israeli spokespeople during operation cast lead who is who is there are quite fluent articulate in english given given the space right at the top of b.b.c. news i think that's a very good point you know who all these people yes it was nothing you see that's

not our job to go out and point the palestinians to experts or say you're impartial surely you would find somebody to be yes i've missed the rigor of saying his say but then he's equivalent we do and we did you don't actually you don't have an equivalent of mark reg of that's just not true just because there isn't an equivalent of mark recchi it doesn't mean to say that we didn't allow those viewpoints which you've just expressed to be heard across the range of our output gregg of now the israeli ambassador to britain indeed indeed is going up assuming that's a promotion what did this really see gandhi mean the b.b.c. is has the most brilliant production values it produces. the most extraordinary natural history and drama series but the b.b.c. is and has long been the most refined propaganda service in the world i

find the double standards these. bogus attacks on r t. if you compared with the the. b.b.c.'s record of suppression. i remember calculating during the irish war something like forty eight major b.b.c. programmes either. and dr good or delayed but around the b.b.c. there's the sort of cult that if you into the b.b.c. you immediately rise to an avan the of of impartiality and there are two sides to everything that's nonsense to begin with but the b.b.c. is an extension all these fabrics daughter in this country i don't think that's even controversial it just is it does some very fine work but it just isn't for to

claim that it isn't another has really subverting the british state by giving another view is just absurd if journalists out there watching but one to be like you that i would want to go to this exhibition what are they supposed to do that learns maybe they've got their first job it how do they get to emulate well they shouldn't i shouldn't think of emulating anybody just being themselves following the star themselves being themselves being true to themselves many don't really want to go into this kind of. they want to go into rather more niner is of journalism whatever but those who do it's difficult but they should stay true to themselves and that's difficult they have to almost learn to navigate through systems and not be deterred by people along the way i know that sounds rather trite but it it is what they need to do if they want to

keep going the moment they accept say the b.b.c. view with the world that there are only. i don't need two sides to an auger but both sides are on what we call the establishment thought then it's over. thank you thank you that's it for the show will be back on wednesday when is it's going price fluctuations scares the markets we speak to the russian federation was deputy minister of economic development but the new crypto ruble children keep in touch via social media with your wednesday nineteen years to the day they do their job as victorious members winning presidential elections a platform from which to transform the lives of millions of venezuelans because of the policies supported by the media and western europe's not just socialist but the german kuhlmann.

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