but these characters all led me to this moment with mr putin. and a frankly i enjoyed the meeting him i met him originally on the at the on one of my trips to russia because i was interviewing snowden a lot we were doing research with ed and a lot of the movie and soden was represents what ad this point of view was so getting that information took time and we came back and we're trying to be accurate the last scene of the movie was shot in moscow so after a by one i met mr putin which is in the back room of a theater in the moscow a play an old like hundred sixty s. play he was attending to promote folkloric culture. we met in the back and i asked him about mr snowden and he gave me the russian version his version of what happened which is fascinating different than what we had been told in the public newspapers and so forth but anyway long telling the story

quickly is getting back to the end of the movie if snowden we shot in moscow to a weekend with with ed and then we turned around a few days later we went to the kremlin and we shot mr putin over three days and. at that time we didn't know if this would go on it was simply you know take it as it comes like you're doing and play it by ear it was spontaneous i gave melissa quick questions i was areas that i was going to cover but it wasn't limited he didn't say it was totally spontaneous i didn't have any limitations you know all the way to us and as you can see every day i look different he was always the same he looked very together i was sometimes. you can play here was blown in the wind. i guess i changed appearances several jobs but. in other words i'm the opposite of an american actor i don't look like megan kelly i don't look like you even. sam

that's a compliment. i know what kind of great effort it takes to get that kind of access but. that's not easy i mean a lot of russian journalists and top journalists don't get that kind of access right and i know how much effort it took you to make this happen and make it come together and then the minute this comes out it was so talked about in russia and obviously the whole american press right away lashed out are you saying yourself flattering to certain that you're about entry or just want to do you care it is again it under your skin because that's a lot of work you do it with putting it was a lot of work but i didn't consider my never said i was a journalist and i didn't pretend to be what i well that this is a book. a movie a film director you know me from the films and you may know me from some of the past interviews i did with the public figures but i'm not pretending to be anything else i know you said in response that you know you don't have an opinion about anything that you're doing that you're nurture role will the opinions of change

because then i'm talking about the putin movie but at the same time i watched a series you said a lot of flaring things about you know do you feel like you manage to stay objective and neutral. i don't i don't and i think if you see the movies i do it's not good but the high try to stick to what i feel is the truth and i don't take i didn't say one false word to mr p. at all i did say what i meant it when i said it when i said to him and one of the i think one of the first the things i said was it strikes me that you're this you're a son of russia because when you came into the country at a time when it was just in the dumps it was one nine hundred ninety nine two thousand the place was a mass. the real economic story and what you did was you turn things around no one can take that away from you and i think that's one of the reasons he's still popular is that because he brought a sense of place destiny a sense that we we are russian we have much to be proud of we have

a history and he really is certain the concept of a sovereign country which was crucial because russia was not a sovereign country from approximately ninety one two to two thousand it was losing that sovereignty completely the united states was and other people were walking all over the place and basically monitoring whatever they want and they were all over the the nuclear certainly a nuclear industry but look the point is that putin gave russia something that is really important in this world and we can get back to that because that's the bottom line is we need and curren the world we need a resistance to exist to the whole of the dominion of the united states i know that you know on talk about politics but this is a very happy type of question you have sighted people. who have done movies castro chavez put in them this are strongman you know obviously have attraction to strongman do you feel like this is the future of politics leaders like that they're

very strong uncompromising. very controversial in many ways or should politics be about dialogue and political correctness well it is about the long term and these men all were open to dialogue you can argue who did who said what to who but the point was that castro tried to negotiate with the united states for a long time and he was rebuffed not only was your buff he was insulted and they tried to assassinate him many times so you know where what is dialogue dialogue is important and mr chavez certainly had a point of view he was if you remember he shook obama's hand he really has hoping that there was going to be a new approach from the united states didn't happen so it is about dialogue it's about compromise politics and above all. give you an overall opinion of mr putin he said he's the ultimate negotiator you wear you out he really believes in talking out everything there's no there are certain points of interest for every country has its national interests and he constantly harks on this russia has its national

interests and he's open to the gut to negotiating anything but those national interests and when you cross the line. he will let you know as you know i pushed him but whatever people say i pushed him and certainly i could feel his irritation when i was pushing him hard on the democracy question on this the question of his succession in what's going to happen next year there were times i riled him more than once but i am concerned and the reason i undertook the series was i was very concerned about the going back to my relationship to russia what happened to the american russian relationship that had existed in two thousand if you like your film can change american perception and put because in her column dolly it has to some degree. more than several million people saw it which is and this is on a premium cable channel showtime is not on a national channel like in russia so you have a limited prescription audience that it was seen and seen again but it was also

shown in europe in a lot of places and we had a very good debate in france i was public television channel three in france and. you've heard vedder in the x. foreign minister of mr beattie all defended the movie very well i thought against and the several other people against the opposition it was the debate was very french but in other words in europe in germany france these things matter italy very important now whether things change as a result it's hard to tell because the recently as you know the united states congress which stuns me voted almost unanimously for sanctions to be expanded against russia. this happened recently so it seems to be almost a reaction to trump. as putin says a domestic politics you feel like trump is trying to sort of way emulate leaders like putin to help syria's i'm not sure i can't tell you what is in donald trump's

head on all the anyone can and if they tell you that i don't think he's stupid i think he's a very sharp guy and i'm sure he wrecks respects the. he may misunderstand mr putin too so i don't know but he certainly hasn't lived up to the idea that he gave many people during the campaign that he was against any foreigners the interventions that he thought the united states it squandered its resources its assets in wars abroad so we there was his thinking that it would change but it hasn't changed not because of his willpower it that because he hasn't been able to get anywhere in his administration it behaves been stuck in gridlock from the beginning opposition has been severe also because of russia now because no let's can i ask you really that has been the excuse the has been attacked profoundly for russia there's no evidence as yet and i've seen indicates that russia is in any collusion with mr with donald

trump i mean he's not this meant suring candidate and i thought there was a surprisingly stupid story but it got a lot of traction in america which worries me and shows you how frankly stupid the american voter can be if you believe that i don't believe most of them do but i could i don't know that the polling is off on it it doesn't make sense if you're saying no one that is elected gets to change the system does it even you know what for in america yeah well that's what mr putin says at the end of the interview if you remember he says he's been through four presidents and i asked him what's changed and he said basically nothing. so he's indicating that there's a bureaucracy he called it a bureaucracy in america they call it the deep state bureaucracy that has been resistant to change certainly the policies towards russia for the most part united states been highly negative since one thousand nine hundred seventy since the revolution when mr wilson president wilson said american troops to siberia to join the british expeditionary force.

i mean you called me a useful idiot. useful expressing my opinions there are thousands of us doing it is required is the same strategy we attack person instead of talking about

what's next why stop me from getting this close to the white house i'm with you. why not ban the color pink one hour stretch beyond the right i should be sent to the town to be done to try to break me although we'll put up with a long time of this sort of nonsense you don't scare me and i'll continue to voice my opinion i'll continue to speak out good company i'm in good company you're going to be you want to be there because we're freezing cold. elliston is getting international recognition with the help of israel at least in the world of zoos and to dismiss it like you know. these are the only complicit he is going to have the saudi home maybe. the only palestinians who gets the most hope from its jerusalem counterparts i

don't think there's some of those who in the world over vision didn't know who could do this. and no it's not as to how to display any of the muscle that you have i don't want you to compete in the it doesn't seem to do more in the middle false imprisonment. it's all to see we have a great team we need to strengthen before the free world cold and have been a legend to keep it so i took it back. in ninety ninety two that must qualify for the european championships at the very last moment no one believed in us but we won and i'm hoping to bring some of that waving spirit to the r.c.c. . recently i've had a lot of practice so i can guarantee you that peter schmeichel will be on the best fall since my last world com let's throw two or three. thousand zero zero zero zero

zero. left left left more or less ok stop that's really good. welcome back to sophie and co now the other day i sat down with the legendary filmmaker oliver stone in moscow bookstore and asked him whether a second cold war was just a figure of speech or raised or more to it. it's a figure of speech for sure cold war it's a. very dangerous war it's on the you know you can even say that the original cold war was really

a cold war where there were so many proxy wars that were fought in the name of fighting communism that you like vietnam among others korea. you wonder how many people died in the name of that cold war you know millions of the third world people have been hurt after all over africa there was battles. and certainly in them we've seen now in the middle east we've seen enormous amount of damage. the specter of communism doesn't work anymore in the united states was not able to use that but there is inherent carry over in fact and i'm sure that in the minds of those congressmen when they vote against it for the expansion of russians actions in their mind it's it's some form of the old russia and they can't get it they can't even tell you anyway in the eighty's in the ninety's how come it came back so strongly i mean what is it going to take for that paradigm to disappear from american mind generation i was quite surprised by that i was in fact shocked i

talking to mr gorbachev was one of the most wonderful moments of my life it was i felt in one thousand nine hundred ninety my lifetime was a spring springtime of hope a new feeling that this thing was going to change you know that the the wall came down. all the europe eastern european countries expressed love bloodless revolution really a bloodless revolution and russia. relatively both. and i was and mr gorbachev you know was not the crook in america we saw him as a lion as a hero and in this country of course he was seen as a weak man who had lost control of this of this empire so it's a whole different view of it and i've been see mr gorbachev since then i've been through his criticisms of mr putin and i have to say the last time i saw him he said that mr putin is the guy for now whatever they say because america has violated that compact he made in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine that

nato would not go east one inch if the germany's were united he allowed for that. that has not happened nato has been accelerated under the you know the under the american under clinton and and bush and obama so and mr gorbachev as pointed out also the the what mr putin says is they greedy on the abrogation of the a.b.m. treaty by the by bush by mr bush in two thousand and one was a vast mistake it and it undermines the nationals the the balance of power that exists between the two countries on top of that you have the american support putin the scent of terrorists in the caucasus on top of that you have opposing points of view on ukraine obviously and mr putin states his case very clearly in this book what his case is which americans don't hear and on top of that you have syria which

again it's amazing to me how under reported that war is. she has covered what about yemen aren't you. a little bit. i wanted to talk more about this and the context in which to spook came out fills in a weird way that when the actual cold war is in place it was just clean cut you know you have two sides where against each other now for me it's so much more scarier because the world is paul or and there's so much house around and everyone's trying to pull it on themselves. and all those conflicts that you just mentioned and many more that we didn't mention are going on because of that and we don't understand how they can and or if they can and it's always messy. you're young like hell you must be near thunder not that young but. i guess you know to me the original cold war was very confusing and not so clean us against them in fact

i went to vietnam as a young man believing that we were fighting communism in other words there were a lot of disguises and when you look back at the whole history of that period as we tried to do an untold history the united states i would have to tell you that it's very clear that it was a farce that the united states really pulled the wool over the world's eyes and declaring and making the soviet union the fall guy after having won world war two they made them the fall guy for war two two and equated hitler with stalin and also all this stuff went on it comes out of the this misunderstanding of what that first cold war was america has spent a fortune fighting this war and it's deprived its own people us the american people of better education better system more security health welfare all these things that give me those problems now this social net that's disappearing could have come

out of that instead of being the the money being spent on the cold war so we paid a huge price for it and it never let up i remember in eighty nine there was talk of a peace dividend they talk of it what happened to the peace dividend a few weeks after the berlin wall fell mr bush sr was. going into iraq sending five hundred thousand troops to the middle east point it was a big thing because we went when we said five hundred thousand troops to vietnam was actually under lyndon johnson that was a huge deal in the press made. big big number out of that not not since world war two that we knew those numbers were too big we were fighting with too many men we don't it won't work it was too big and what happened we forgot about it reagan mr reagan helped a lot with his campaign to forget the vietnam war and we were sending a half million men again abroad to fight in the middle east we never got out of the

middle east i made a movie about it called w in which dick cheney the dick cheney's character have them asking what what's our exit policy says there is no exit and the truth is we haven't there is no exit to iraq we're here those five hundred thousand men in one form or another have never left the middle east so this is heartbreaking stuff if you have any sense of history. i knew it was a mistake i thought the iraq war one was a huge mistake i thought there was plenty of room to negotiate when films like that come out w for instance are at the untold history of the united states and want to even mention how as a percent in america when you pretty much denounce a lot of troops and facts in american history i can't tell you it's easy but i think it's the most some of the most important work i've done in my life i'm very proud of those two films i paid a price for because i guess some people would you know they don't consider me in the debate but neither do they consider people like noam chomsky so there is no

center in the united states political discourse it's all center right ever since the clinton camp people came into power the center right has become the right and there's no peace party that exists in my country i don't see any evidence of it except this third party that is so criticized the the green party among others arrows make fun of it. you know why i don't know me so well a year in america i always had the feeling the democrats would the the people at least we were concerned about peace now that seems to have been squandered that feeling is squandered and i don't sense any any sense of consensus the only one who did was bernie sanders and if you remember correctly he very rarely mentioned foreign policy he stayed away from it because he knew that was a third rail for him and he was too socialistic for america to actually well i don't know much about because america may hand up in relatively has to go really

may have to go more socialistic in order to survive because if things fall apart and we continue to have crises after crises stock market explosions and so forth and meltdowns there has to be a right and there were no way to trump to change something you know but remember a mr obama song what was it seven hundred fifty billion dollars into the economy that's i would call that a socialist move. so you know where the united states is going is a very it's interesting i think i'm going to try to stick around and see because i think that's a great question it sounds i mean just to be on the sidelines and see what happens it could get really ugly and be pretty nasty too in terms of casualties and of course united states i would skip i'm scares me in the sense that it might lose its self control and out of the sense of panic and fear attack. this concept that russia is responsible for everything isn't saying but it's very easy to to resort to that kind of nineteen early one nine hundred fifty s.

primitivism like a joe mccarthy i was told when i was a young boy the soviets are in our schools they're in our colleges they are there they're creeping into our system where the soviets are going to take us over without even a war that was i heard this from serious people. you know you have to allow that this mentality exists and when you're around a vigilante mob that hangs people it's scary because you common sense goes out the window it's the first thing and decency and humanity you go out the window so it scares me that mentality see now that you know a lot about politics you know politicians and you know something about scripts give me a scenario of how this should work out. their reality are you asking for a movie from my point of view from the american side it's not going to happen any other way and that's what's frightening because i don't see that russia can take any initiative at this point except for surrender would completely all your nuclear

arms and you have a regime change mr putin resigns which is insane so what happened because the russian people supported i don't see any way out right now. no third parties do exist they come into being there's de gaulle's that come up for shawls to go all you hope for a french leader or a european leader i was very disappointed in merkel throughout this whole process because she knows better to put in mr deval i was around when mr goss said no to america that was quite really have friends you look young to get out there and we've got to go as proud for france. one hopes for that but there's other ways that the blocks can be broken there's of course china that's a huge number but the united states is to hit a hard line on china doesn't say it like it does say it about russia but the reason that we're arming korea to the degree that we are and japan is truly against the chinese to encircle the chinese. but i worry about korea because we again have so

much or so many arms we put into japan and korea. you know this thing can but it can blow up in a second it's like a tinderbox. well it doesn't look good at your age i would like to live out the rest of my life you know what do you do what do you do you bringing attention to it that's the best you can do right now. to my view and you should certainly not end your career i thought it was an increase of four hundred s. when i did this because i did a piece in the world here and that's what people don't accept from him all our stuff thank you very much it was for me so he. joined me every foothold in our world. now that was the most heartbreaking thing about the future my life we need to realize that real real power to shape us that

we need things these opportunities in. hey everybody i'm stephen bob taft hollywood guy the suspect every proud american first of all i'm just struck washing an r.v. to say this is my buddy max famous financial guru just a little bit different honest to goodness no no no doubt with all the drama happening every day americans are calling it american people.

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