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israeli forces respond with water cannon and tear gas to mass protests in the west bank following president trump's move to recognize jerusalem as the capital of israel. russia and the united states' top diplomats are out there meeting on the sidelines of a security conference in austria for the two discussed anti terror cooperation. now that there's an artificial intelligence system that training its digital offspring. will discuss whether the rapidly progressing tech is a triumph or terrifying.
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that first evening at seven here in moscow money is called him this is the news from r.t. international first the vocal in bottom reaction to donald trump's latest move protests are being held across palestinian territories right now over mr trump's decision to recognize jerusalem as the capital of israel gave the go ahead to move the american embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem which is long been contested by israelis and palestinians. is the latest video that we've been getting in from the west bank we've been watching what's happening there for the past few hours now protesters have been burning tires and. at israeli security forces which have responded with tear gas and water cannon. a dozen that dozens of people have been injured a producer for marty's arabic channels also caught up in the unrest and is needed medical assistance protest against trump's decision have been spreading across the middle east. therefore i have determined that it is time to
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officially recognize jerusalem as the capital of israel. no one has the rights to play with the fates of appearance of people for the sake of one's personal ambitions. good nor even the polish to diminish the christian rights in jerusalem but only if you will for the extremism and i'll get my ear against terrorism. they cannot oppose people's feelings and beliefs this is a new type of adventurism and global arrogance of the us. king selman made our position clear during his telephone conversation with president saudi arabia's policy regarding the palestinians will never change the palestinian issue is
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a primary concern to us. we warned the u.s. the jerusalem a stay area we've warned of the consequences that would occur in case the us and president trying to this decision which will damage u.s. relations with the arab nations. as well as the rest palestinians are holding a general strike with more protests expected over the coming days here's the best group hamas has called for a new uprising called an intifada and declared friday to be a day of rage palestinian president mahmoud abbas slammed trumps decision while the israeli prime minister described it as historic yet these deplorable and unacceptable measures deliberately undermine all peace efforts and proclaim that the us are abandoning the role of sponsor of the. peace process the day of pleading with the past decade this is
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a historic day president's decision is an important step towards peace for there is no proof that doesn't include jerusalem as the capital of the state of israel the reason this is so contentious and sensitive is that jerusalem is considered sacred by jews muslims and christians the jewish quarter of the city is home to the western wall the last remnant of the second jewish temple which was destroyed by the romans the city's also home to the shrine of the dome on the rock the oldest islamic monument still in existence and also the hour x. a mosque which is the third holiest site in islam and the city is at the center of the decades long conflict between israelis and palestinians israel caused its turn all capital to claim that most of the international community rejects and because of the dispute no countries have an embassy there the western part of the city is predominantly israeli but the eastern part of the city is predominantly palestinian now it's the holy sites that are particularly sensitive issue and when they're
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threatened there's often been an rest and violence and that is something that is very much on people's minds there right now. no one knows what will happen which will be dangerous days are coming to jerusalem that is definitely my. fear that it was part violence hopefully it won't. and i think that unfortunately the us president makes a statement and these really citizens will need to pay the price for it meanwhile the current u.s. embassy in tel aviv is gearing up for potential clashes outside it stalls by implementing extra security measures it's also issued a travel alert forbidding employees from traveling to jerusalem zone city concerns over security growing by the minute you know neocon reaction to that earlier israel never got consultant with. any harder. in the way of the time they put these really capital in jerusalem at the times of the kingdom of israel never
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been a palestinian state the fact that the locks i use is important to muslims doesn't turn it automatically to be somebodies capital only to the israelis this is kind of obsolete that they be people are bored of hearing jerusalem you go to the u.n. resolutions that partition the resolution that speaks about it stipulates that tourism should be an independent entity a neighbor the palestinians nor the israelis will be controlling this city in the final stages that's what they do in the security of the un is speaking about that's what the consensus of the international community is speaking about it's only donald trump himself and been given it any hope who think that now it's the time because of the turmoil of the out of unfortunately the policy you know never accepted the arab states at the time didn't accept it and they ranged wars
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against using terror or which has been turned to be the only one start up the palestinians and called to. to the world and from their time on they are using their own if you are speaking about palestinians doing terrorist attacks who killed the palestinians in gaza in jerusalem who's trying to book the may the made to detectives in the. compound it's the israelis who are trying to push more radicalize ation the palestinians have the full right to resist peacefully israel is the only only state the main. just freedom for all prayers in jerusalem and start to score is very seriously kept in jerusalem the real danger is mecca you know are in danger by your lawn the united states donald trump and israel think that this is the right time to make this kind of propaganda iran is the only
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monster who has expansionist policy in the region but on the other hand israel does have the job and a does have a kind of colonial mentality that is going on violating it's a rogue state the palestinian capital should be everywhere. warts solution in the future which is the land of the israelis including jerusalem nobody can object to it this is your story why this is really just your last papal need to co-exist people need to find solutions for the reactions been taken fast all day european leaders and the un were quick to voice their concerns calling washington step radical with more details on that here's maria financially in paris. though in terms controversial decision to recognize jerusalem as the capital of israel has got a lot of angry reaction including here in europe france's president and even much has condemned the recognition this is what the french and it has to say. this is
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you that this is a regrettable decision which france does not approve of and which contradicts international law and you. in security council resolutions germany has also condemned the decision with its foreign minister warning that it will not come the conflict between israel and palestine but rather it fuels it even more the e.u.'s foreign policy chief has expressed serious concerns over the decision as well it is very context. the potential to send. even darker shines than the ones we already living in the u.k. his prime minister has joined the fear in terms decision will deteriorate the situation in this troubled region has seen its unhelpful in terms of prospects for peace in the region and this is the opinion that russia also shares we've heard from the russian foreign ministry that it doesn't promote progress in talks in the ministry has also added that russia's position is to recognize the eastern part of
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jerusalem as the capital for a future palestinian state while the western part of jerusalem as the capital of israel as you remember east jerusalem including the old city was taken by israel are following the six day war becky nine hundred sixty seven but it was never internationally recognized as part of israel so it's you can see a lot of reaction a lot of anger and confusion and now we know that on friday the united nations security council is going to have an emergency meeting following the request from eight out of fifteen member states to discuss the drums decision and its legitimacy . however despite the world's criticism u.s. officials insist they are in the right not what i want to put next to our guest. from the friends of palestine group of the scottish party. thanks for joining us on the program first off in their own words let's just listen to what nikki haley america's u.n. ambassador had to say about all this. as long as the capital of israel no one
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doubts that and the united states has always put embassies in the capital and so if you look at that this is just common sense this is just reality nadia i would you explain how these comments. i think it's absolute ridiculous to call it common sense and to downplay the matter this is a huge strategic move by america which is extremely dangerous and will destabilize the situation even further it's very delicate as it is and this is going to take it no to a point where it could if violence can escalate and it'll be is really a palestinian citizens that suffer. so what if he's gone through with it anyway. pardon why do you think he's gone through with it anyway. i think he's a president that feels that he wants to do action and if he wanted to do something that was positive for the peace deal then he could have ended the siege of gaza he could've recognized it as an international city should have sunbeam this capital of
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palestine and israel he just wants to antagonize the situation he wants the president of action but his actions are not. ok all right nadia thanks very much for joining us on our international get increasing reaction in the coming hours about things from time for another. thank you. next top diplomats from russia and the united states to wrap their meeting on the sidelines of a security conference in austria so go lavrov and rex tillerson we're expected to discuss the anti terror cooperation between the two countries among other topics are these peace or all of the reports from vienna. tell you that meeting between secretary of state to listen and four minutes to allow for all of lasted for around thirty minutes it was all very pleasant in the sphere in the room before they started that was before the journalists were kicked out they didn't take any questions from anybody but we understand that they were expected to talk about was the on going situation on the korean peninsula the conflict in ukraine as well as
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a major point on the fight against islamic state in both syria and in iraq this comes after wednesday's announcement from the russian defense ministry that they had defeated isis in syria in an offer to the united states to join forces and help them do the same in western iraq the u.s. delegation headed by secular state to listen have left already the meeting of the organization for security and cooperation in europe here in vienna both will be hoping to do a little later on is to grab foreign minister for all of the find out exactly what they've been talking about and where that will russia in the u.s. be forming a joint task force to try and fight isis in the west of iraq i'll be putting up to him a little later on as soon as i get any answers on that of course i'll be back here and giving you all of the latest on. now that there's artificial intelligence that can train its own digital offspring to outperform humans will debate next whether it's
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a triumph or terrifying stay with us. so that. the coalition that it has built has been basically destroying yemen killing yemeni civilians and now it's a common. international park. so i would use not refrain from here in killing babies. need. indiscriminate bombardment of civilian areas. in yemen for the past few months. they did accept the reject. so you want to be president.
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this is what. people are. interested in the war. official intelligence is steadily integrating into our everyday lives both online and off but there's a growing chorus highlighting the dangers of handing our lives over to machines now there's now a computer you want to send in the papers it's created an artificially intelligent child as it were it can recognize objects in real time video better than any human made algorithms stay with me another system created by google is a machine that just four hours to learn the rules of chess a world leading program facebook says its program can detect suicidal behavior by
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analyzing user information and then even get help for people the c.e.o. mark zuckerberg thinks this is just the stuff. in the future they will be able to understand more of the subtle nuances of language and will be able to identify different issues beyond suicide as well. but we're going to talk about this now futurist and techno philosopher grayskull also professor mark bishop who's director of the center for intelligent data analytics and also professor bruce who's a professor of peace war and defense at the university of north carolina gentlemen welcome to the program good to have you with us grayskull first of all if i could come to give it all sounds very exciting of course it is and there's no getting away from the developments but these kind of things do frighten people it makes people feel that we're sleep walking into something that's going to render us all obsolete in a generation. well i don't understand the fear part of what we need to understand with artificial intelligence is that we're just at the beginning this is
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just the tip of the iceberg what's going to happen in your future is that you going to have predictive analytics which will allow ai to predict your desires before you even know what you want and this is something we've been talking about for quite a while the future is field so the idea that you may use an ai that could direct your desires is something that we're actually going to see in the near future professor the idea that it's the tip of the iceberg does that make a blood run cold a little bit to where there's little landing. well i actually agree with that statement i think we are just at the beginning revolution just the thought of machines telling me what i want it already makes me uncomfortable in what we see that happening you know in our lives constantly getting recommendations from the systems and they're constantly intervening in ways that we don't expect that we didn't ask for the tech companies are constantly upgrading things in ways that we didn't necessarily ask for just when we learned how to use the old version. and so
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yeah we are at the beginning of a process that is that is fraught with danger and i'm not going to say it's all danger i'm not going to say that you know. there is no there are no upsides to what we can do with the new technology of course there are that's why we're pursuing them but there are also lots of problems that are being created. professor fisher this is where the line has to get drawn doesn't it really because on the one hand we all demand our devices know what we're doing where we go and make these decisions for us we carry them around in our pockets all the time and then when the first ones to moan when tech companies have information on us and seem to be able to predict our behavior we then find that creepy. it tends to have a political impact as well the people suggesting that for example the american last american election and the british vote was in point form by complex analytics manipulating the images that people related to you so these things are already
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a potentially having impacts on political speeches and american in the u.k. . grayskull the scientists and people who are big in tech who are voicing warnings about where is taking us next it's not just people for whom the tech is maybe taking our simple brains who should be in control of it who should be monitoring to make sure that this technology is only developed for our benefit and not our detriment. but this is something i've been saying for quite a while is that people need to be citizen scientists and technologists and futurists the future is technological so we need to start understanding it everyone it shouldn't be left to a couple of people in industry or in government to dictate how this goes we all have to be a part of this. process of moving forward in the future with ai this is something ai is something that we're going to live with in the future and so if we don't understand it if we don't embrace it if we don't realize when it's inside of our
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lives that's going to be a problem in your future i know that even in mosque is someone who's really talked about the fact that we need to have some ethics with an artificial intelligence so this is something we're going to see more of in the near future and to see more institutes come out and say that there needs to be some sort of ethical guidelines for ai and i agree that there should be. how is that done really because we've got the only people who got the money and the know how to do this are going to be commercial companies who are off the profit all militaries who have got other possibly nefarious ideas in mind how do we balance that. well mark and i have in the past. of working at the u.n. . organization called i crack trying to get some international control on for example the deployment of to control the flow on this weapon systems so there are potentially the super government organizations that we can petition to to try and
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get so much of the framework around the use of these i was going forward. back to you what does it mean for us as people though because although we want the technology to help us do things in our lives but the same token we can have too much of a good thing can't wait we can rely on them too much they can start to make us lazy they can almost as. well what you're touching on is what my work is primarily about which is how technology affects culture and how it affects the human. psyche the psych the psyche and so part of what we're going to see in the near future is the idea that if we have these sub conscious agents right . artificial intelligent agents that are doing the work in the background that we don't necessarily realize what does that mean for us as a species what does it mean if a machine can predict my desires and my behaviors and then alter my world without
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my permission or to take it even further you know what's happening with facebook with the predicting suicide how far does that go when you want to have a conversation that's in-depth about death right does that trigger the facebook starting to feel a bit minority report i think there is someone who's. it's all sounding a bit of knowledge i really need yeah it is actually and so. it is so here's here's what i'll say just to sum this this idea up what we're really talking about here is is for the very first time on this planet we're all going to have an enormous amount of power not just a few people every single one of us is going to have an enormous amount of power through the power of ai and we have to decide as individuals and societies how we want to process that ability that that amount of power. just to say we've lost the connection to a professor could prove that's what we've been able to ask many questions for the time being that the link went down unfortunately the big shame. that i want to i want to come back to you because what gray was touching on there about us all being
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empowered in this i mean surely the very low level we've kind of getting this now with all being wired into the social networks and what started off as being able to link up everybody in the world in a nice way has actually become a forum for bullying a forum for pitchfork waving i mean is that. a vision that you might see a i accidentally going down or inadvertently going down as it overtakes us. all the points to make you the first relates to the program from facebook that you foregrounded in your introduction purports to i don't want people feeling suicidal and he wants a great move in the right direction but balancing that priorities we have to be aware of what happened to microsoft with terry system which was fielded in the u.k. and had to be taken down because it turned into a racist homophobic ranting child which is causing reputational damage to microsoft so the engineers took the program down and tried to rip it loose on the internet again and exactly the same thing happened so my concern with the facebook
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algorithms is that because in my opinion these computers don't understand the meaning of the bits they so adroitly manipulate that it will be very difficult for them to avoid being gamed in the same way that the microsoft tell you system is going and one can imagine especially with the with the specter of mental health the people who might. and then we subpoena school or college which is trying getting facebook's detection of mental also this i will risk in such a way as to cause reputational damage to their schoolmates or university colleagues i can see these things shouldn't happen but in our society i can imagine that they might the professor brought a place to say we've got to look back with you now i don't know how much you were able to hear the past few minutes discussion we were talking about us being plugged in being part of the way of developing this technology to be able to help us rather than overtake us and render us obsolete if i could just get some final thoughts from you now that we've got you back in these final few seconds that we've got left how do we make sure that these technologies and the well. yes
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i've been with you and everybody's been agreeing so this was supposed to be debates are all started disagreeing with a few things i think statement that the technology is dehumanizing us is a little dangerous because what we really need to be very clear about going forward is the distinction between humans and technology as people are talking about implanting technology in the body. in question you know and saying the technology itself is human or is the successor to humanity even this is this is very dangerous i think we need to be very clear that we are what is human and. that's just it i mean we are the definition of humanity. also. i'm not too comfortable with the idea that. we are going to be powerful i think the social relations of power are enduring
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and are in fact the problem that technology is undermining the balances that have been struck they have that result from our inability to do certain things the fact that corporations need their workers governments need their subjects' the aristocracy you needed the peasantry so you don't think it'll take it'll have a critical mass at some point it will kind of self regulate between humanity being able to harness the technology rather than be enslaved by it. well i don't know the technology is out to enslave us but i do think that technology is upset in the social balances and the economic balances and ecological balances that if it evolved over millions and hundreds and dozens of years and this is the great danger i mean the great the greatest dangers arising from the rise of artificial intelligence and the new high technologies that we're seeing emerging
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now first of all the arms race which we're already seeing acceleration of the arms race and readmission of the high level arms race involving the united states russia and china people are talking about in washington this increasing tide of people talking about an ai arms race between the united states and china which first of all it's entirely premature and second it's a self-fulfilling prophecy in fact all countries in the world are involved in this technology the u.s. and china are leaders russia's and other and we don't want this to excel or to inflate the arms race and send us back into the dark days of the cold war but if the next great danger is the economic destabilization losing people. jobs in existing balances being upset by rapid change so i think you know i think that we need to be careful about the idea that the future is technology and we have to
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adapt to it i think ok well people first and we need to think of technology as the i'll just say let me put some of that to the guess that. if one country doesn't develop it another will. certainly true but certainly wealth you carry still in europe there are certain checks and balances afforded by european legislation for example article twenty two the new g.d.p. all that you solution on date across two states the data subject has the right to an explanation of why in a system on a little system it's come to the judgment that it is when we're talking about these very complicated advanced the neural network systems it isn't obvious to me how companies are going to fulfill that obligation so i see some tension between the field of ai systems have been used already by the likes of google and facebook etc and the requirements that are being laid down by the european commission and the great just more fun to fall for me. but i think technology is a symptom of unresolved human issues i mean you can blame the technology but it's
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not the technology it's us and so i disagree with the fact that we are we are separate from the technology it is a continuum technology is emerging within this system the cosmic system we are a part of that and it's emerging from us it is a continuum it to separate technology and humanity as i think the most dangerous thing to do because when self-aware machines finally arrive is that going to be the new enemy if we continue this narrative so the new narrative has to be technology is a part of us it's a reflection of who we are that is the narrative we should be thinking about ok gentlemen if any we had the intelligence of us having a legendary digital screens on the same time we're going to leave it there throughout a time but it's got more patience and a multitude i really appreciate your thoughts on this deceiving. you. thank you you're watching r.t. international our world news continues without a farmer in about half an hour.
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