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unintended consequences surely play. welcome to sophia sophie shevardnadze as former gammoning president killed by his once a country's civil war takes an unexpected turn. and that is while a saudi imposed book a threatens hundreds of thousands of starvation what is official hold for yemen well i asked karma on a famous yemeni political activist and nobel peace prize winner. the civil war and

you see the new bloody twist with president saleh killed by his former allies the battle lines are being violently drawn once again what will bring to the ravaged country. an opening for peace. in the stalemate of war and the law and starving civilians have to wait before the guns fall silent. got among the many journalists an activist winner of the nobel peace prize welcome to the show it's really great to have you with us. yemen's former president has been killed by his former allies there who face the alliance between them which fought a saudi led coalition is no more a sally's death good for yemen or is it only going to make situation worse. first of all thank you sophie and for r.t.

for. inviting me to this program. it's a really tragic and the x. rays event highly son. and we. are young and we didn't wish this and for him we made a great peaceful revolution forced him to leave the authority peacefully we gave him immunity we gave him all saw we all know him to have the money millions of dollars that he took from the also duty during his thirty three years so we need to him to leave the authority with this money but unfortunately he choose to have our lives with the militia of and to see and as he always do he is dancing with the with the snakes and now the snakes killed him and now the question the very important question what is next after i the son the deaths this is

a very important thing the situation in yemen well the to the rate will this who will continue will the wall will continue this answer should be this question should be unserved by the yemeni people yemeni people should be now the one who handled the solution the one that they stop the war and the one whose dog that coup how it's there is a lot of you know solution and yes and limits that you have many people should do will she talk about this in detail to our call so i want to be back to. president solace as a nation now that he is that. his loyalists have no more leader do you think they will start fighting each other and fight. for power. here is we still who we

are in the won't you know into the rule and also do you know the rule so the world isn't stopped. inside yemen and also inside yemen so if it will be worse than that. then what has been to now nothing was that that done what does it have been in the now it's how can we stop this one how can we stop despite between yemenis and also between saudi emirates and iran in our country and that it's a lot of things so let's not this is done to speak about the past let's talk about future how can we prevent any attempts in the possibility of you prevent the of this. ok of the escalation i understand for for example one scenario is what president hadi is proposing great now right he is

backed by the saudis and he has sat that he will declare amnesty for anyone who stops fighting him do you think this promise could end the war. no of course not i'm calling president teddy. who is the visit to mature is a dent i'm calling to the. government to open that dialogue to start to making because shooting with him in the show for those who see with all parties of him and they have to find solutions for yemenis they have to stop cuckoo and also they have to stop war. here and when we are within dialogue it's no we are no in the. other stead after the death of charlie son so there is a lot of chances now to make peace in yemen so brizard into how did i end this it timothy new government should start a dialogue with the horses but also also who says no has to declare that they are

already to hand over the web as to them is it to me to also duty former president reached out to the saudis calling on them to lift the blockade on yemen with solace death now is there no more hope for the end of the locate. that's a very and this is this is the duty. of the saudi and emirates early and none some do and emits others and then they are held hell being the visit to me to boot is a dent on restoring his also tedium and they can then that and they are they said that they are with the legitimate other thing with the president ahead but the kid the reality unfortunately the they are if you buy in yemen they are to cuba gooding the. about the most important parts of this even bursa

it also liberated. prevents is. that the posts of. the airports and also they are can really sing under the militia. you know the loyalty to them special to him or its they are call ition has had young men under blockade for too we are still ready and the saudis say it is aimed at preventing arms smuggling to they who threw up you any saying it is creating an imminent catastrophe with cities running out of fuel clean water four hundred thousand children starving why are the saudis more afraid of arms smuggling that causing this huge despicable humanitarian tragedy that is through yemen now is suffering from a huge food from the worst humanitarian crisis is because of war

because of who because of. that is a really justified that is a real. suffering from yemeni people in many people are now suffering from disease from hang good from teh mean from luck afflicted a city local food occasion luck off axis to. yes we are suffering from all this thing and this suffering should be staub should be and yes lou good to have this look at should be lifted to another then this is that look then there are one just then there's another question imagine the blockade is lifted right now imagine and the aid is flowing to those who need it but what if that also opens up routes to yemen for more weapons and yemen will be over flooded with even more military weapons. what is the solution that we can we are

calling for so if saudi and immigrants really they are really with yemen and they are really want to yemen to go. to seoul to experiment and to face the truth and this is a very supportive the legitimate president they should alone i want to brizard intended to return to yemen to rule yemen. inside the civility bursts and provence is that is liberated that is very important so this isn't how i deal with the army can make you know the solution all on controlling you know i would visit that you know that is that is that how you. sent reason need for all. we need for review how with these and with the old you know grooves it's very important the most important thing now is two hundred fifty to do with drove the

weavers from militia so we should as him and these help others were selves we should solve our problems and we can do libs i mean how can you solve your own problems how can you solve you your own problems as you have a nice if you're under a block eight and you're always three can't solve problems if only by yourself because a lot of pens of saudi arabia right now and i know you're calling from this location it missed me this did it must be lifted but my question is and my question is lifted oh do you think saudis will listen to your calling for the leave to other. you know public speakers and women and men who are actually for peace are also calling on saudis to la louve to split hate us that is calling on the saudis to lift blockade other humanitarian organizations are actually calling on the saudis to lift the blockade they're not listening to anyone. what dalal what dialogue are you talking about as there is no unfortunately there is no enough brush or.

four years ago the end immigrates and did the international community should do that they international community should as somebody why do they do do like that i did not it's just the statements they've made some statements the something and maybe you are asking me about the blue cage that is led by saudi and in it but you don't ask me about the blockade that is by the by this is backwards from here on they have a sense too so that fourteen they are on makes easy in being in being in big government at this mission and does so now we are really yemeni people suffered from to locate internal rules could look at it there is a special but then to by cyber bye bye i have been the show for hosting and. hold the book at the head by by saudi and in minutes and this one took a look at should be lifted now while i was brzezinski noun under. house arrest in.

his in the house like a house and this is why our president had did didn't return to london while its limits city were to secure buying the most important. than the islands the parts the airports in the south and in been seventy percent of fear many liberated going to his wife why do they carry it to me she does. why so many of them as they call the enemy now i called i don't know what they should i do this and they had to buy soda and in minutes they should let our brains of the return to ident and to rule and then from yemen. ok tell us how are we going to take a shot of that great right now. we're going to take a short break right now if you don't mind and when we're back we'll continue

talking about this we'll continue talking to tad called karma again many political activists who won the nobel peace prize and we'll talk more about the tragedy and reveling in the country state. international recognition with the help of israel at least in the world of. business it. can be easy but he is going to sell you know maybe.

the only palestinian gets the most hopeful counterparts i don't think some of those who come to that vision. and that's his own feel that it's got to this lady of the. i'm going to continue muslims you know do more. don't piss off. all to you. we have a great team we need to strengthen before the free float world cup and you're better than a legend to keep it so it's at the back. in one thousand nine hundred two that most qualified for the european championships at the very last moment no one believed in us but we won and i'm hoping to bring some of that winning spirit to the r.c.t. . recently i've had

a lot of practice so i can guarantee you that peter schmeichel will be on the bench for him since my last will come. the no joke it was a. nice drive. no left left left more or less ok stop that's really good. i went back when to tell a whole car i'm on a yemeni activist and the nobel peace prize winner talking about the civil war one humanitarian catastrophe and as a country to have a call now you are

a nobel peace prize laureate you got the prize for your role in the twenty eleven revolution in yemen five years have passed and the revolution hasn't brought any peace your country is being devastated by war a power struggle which all started five years ago was it all worth it. it's worth it absolutely yeah many people started a peaceful a great peaceful revolution in two thousand and eleven millions of fear many people left their weapons more than civility million piece of wood bins in their houses and went to the street with roses in front of all the violent or highly southern. forces so many people did a great work on stop listening to new country based on democracy based on human

rights because the only rule of law we did agree to work in the transitional period we gathered only in many parties even with the militia for who's the even with that without any solace in one table and we did a great national dialogue outcomes and we wrote a great draft of consideration we were just a step forward making putting this constitution for a friend but the cool have bent the killers have been so the coup that kill us the order isn't the result of the peaceful revolution is the result of the counter revolution and it is the result of conflict that is you know conflict so it is not our fault but still we are in our revolution and we will you know that continue i wonder where and dream for change and we will when absolutely no well you have blamed the hearses for this crisis. amongst others who are and they're fighting for one side in this yemeni conflict but you also speaking against the saudis who

are fighting there who says for the sake of president hadi is there anyone inside yemen you would want to work with. do you think that yemen is divided between a group backed by iran whether by city and. emits no yemeni people they have they are they they are their own best their own district easy they own vision floated someone to see if i want to continue for democracy if i were country for peace of our country for human for didn't if i want them to so it is not. it is not under choice to be with this part to read that's plus look you've been exe exiled from the who see occupied part of the country but what's stopping you from going back to the areas controlled by them after all you've sat with yemen is not just divided between

a part backed with iran another part that's backed by saudis it's all about yemeni people so why don't you go back. as i told you seventy per cent of the liberated. provin says here men from the brazilian the booted from the coup led by hoses and the former president ali so there is controlled by saudi and interests and i am against them and they are creating militias and that. prevents is and the other i'm sure if i were will return to to that of a privilege as it's the said that they are. the same things like the militia for the whole thing both of them are the same most of them they don't want my country to have to be democrats what most of them they don't are our peaceful revolution thirty when and if you also there is this other progress is that it

isn't. with. that with who sees and also with the saudi and iran like for example murder but unfortunately i will not be able to go there because there is no plane that's can make me you know free on my movement outside yemen for pressure and for yemeni freedom and for telling the world about our you know issue tackle i've seen you give many speeches and receive honorary doctorates in the west so it's good to see the western audience informed about the situation how exactly are you helping the yemenis themselves right now i mean do you have contacts on the ground through whom you can do something for the people. yes of course you know i yes i am in exile now but the still am in the yemen a lot of people in yemen i'm working with inside yemen everywhere in yemen the people is there the peaceful people that if we should have people is tell then the

people who are against the cube ational few minutes and so he is there and the people who are against the cool of militia for who see the previous signal. bryza that allison is there i am with them inside and i am with them outside the most important thing that i carry the hope and the dream of people for making peace for my cancer back in twenty eleven you spoke out against the odds for interfering in yemen's affairs but according to a cable leak released by wiki leaks you secretly arrange meetings with a saudi official back then and ask for help i wanted to ask you directly is that true. yeah of course through of course through i don't i i and it's true about that we can this didn't lead to said that i also visited the russian embassy and also i visit that i want to get in to see and i visited with our british embassy french

embassy to the embassy kuwaiti embassy on monday mysie i visited all the embassies in the security council in new york calling them to see to the yemen and to to know a lot about in yemen peaceful revolution and to help me in many people on facing the idea of the last sunday and to listen to a number that you also said that the leaders of the saudi coalition will be prosecuted for the crimes stay committed in yemen how do you imagine that happening when the coalition is backed by arab states like you said and that they're also backed by their western allies so who will prosecute saudis i call for the international justice to follow all those who are bitter raters of the crimes against humanity all over the world and so i call the international

criminal court to follow all those perpetrators against studio human rights. that is the one who are committed to the crimes against humanity so yes i'm i'm calling international theater criminal court to do its work and unfortunately the international community didn't do its work its duty is to responsibility. with those people who suffered from their dictators from their rulers who are suffer from the massacres not just in yemen in yemen in syria in may on mount or in every really any where around the world as one coalition is fighting a rebel. and the rebel in itself is fighting its own allies at the same time al-qaeda has been given an opportunity to take advantage of the chaos does yet men in your opinion risk falling to the jihadi sua it's busy fighting al qaeda and

any terrorist group if you want to really do face of them to fight them it is not just came by the security solution not just done by the libyans there is another solution the other solution is supporting democracy. way supporting peaceful movements supporting the development supporting the just as that is very important so in yemen people are you know facing all this is extremism extremists feeble during his son experience or if they will appear you know this time but also because of the solution for that how can we face them remember full fee when we made i would peaceful revolution in two thousand and eleven during two years of peaceful missile two years there wasn't one spot almost died so we give the alternative which is peaceful struggle is full movement the struggle of

both behaved to rid the son still a civil servant says a citizen be being set up. in front of the voice of peaceful people a voice of chanting the blows of peaceful sacrifice for freedom. do you think there should be a military intervention in your country can peacekeeping mission save the day. of course no of course no i'm calling. i'm calling god willing yemenis to start solving then issue by themselves yemenis gand this wall and eyes as i said before with the how can we stop that's thing and other things that is good of correlation saudia and emits should that equal base in yemen and they have to let's i want to raise it to return to yemen and that's well held beyond many to say to you to to to build their country without

in the. armed intervention of a whole sank you so much for this emotional interview i wish you all the best all the best of luck in all your future endeavors and above all i wish peace for yemen for your beloved country thank you very much for being with us we're talking to tell all called carmen yet many political activists and nobel peace prize laureates discussing the tragedy unfolding in yemen and the future of the country that is it for this edition of so if you can call i will see you next time.

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