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washington to inform you before i'm not surprised that president trump didn't inform and theresa may know because he just tweeted his announcement so goes off the cuff but certainly we would have been consulted if president bush or president clinton had done anything like this we'd have been consulted with have expressed our views here that made it clear albeit the donald trump has said that solutions other than the two state solution may be on the table palestinian activism for a long time said this should be a one state solution with all communities living equally the two state solution was basically a lie the guy end of solution you are putting forward when you have foreign minister well i think the time has been running out for a two state solution for some time and that was the preferred. solution of the oslo process the palestinians rather against the natural will accept that the israelis went along with it there's now voices from the very top of the israeli government netanyahu and others saying a two state solution is not acceptable so we have to find by the whether it is in
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which case the settlements have to stop or another option is on the table and what does it mean for washington now everyone from isis day action al-qaeda to the united nations secretary general to the european union to who knows who else are all united against u.s. policy well that's true in a lot of issues. and i think that what is now happening is that america is becoming an increasingly isolationist unilateralist power which is very dangerous for the world whether it's over korea whether it's jerusalem very dangerous for the world some might argue it's always been that way and the british prime minister is just like poodles anyway but some may argue that i don't think that was always true but there's never the less the close relationship between washington and london has always been very important and i don't think it should be casually. pushed aside but i do think this particular stat
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unilateralist stance of america going it alone under president trump is very damaging at a time when the world is in a very dangerous place but away from the violence in the middle east if you take those injuries love to some people saying the threat of future violence on the irish border has the former northern ireland secretary of state are you surprised knowing what you do about the d p that they could. and i know lots of it is speculation to give way on allowing a kind of quasi special status for. there was never going to be a way in which the heart breaks it which is what the d.p. a favor and the conservative government under theresa may up in our favor that's to say just leaving everything in the european union and going our own way as a united kingdom was ever going to be compatible with an open border because that border across the other side of the border in northern ireland is the irish
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republic which is a member of the european union and therefore the customs union and the single market of the and that's requires customs checks and it requires all sorts of other what is it mission the constituency of working class protestants who for so long for the under the banner and. i don't think necessarily that the feet of surrender or the tories of a of surrender what i think they have done is pushed the can down the road and caved into the european union to some extent at this point with pleasure wording that leaves everybody feeling if not happy then not unhappy and that's often the way you get in these kind of negotiations but it leaves open the reality that he's going to have to be confronted by the d.p. and by the resume's government that you're going to have to be either room staying in the same. no market in the customs union or have such equivalence and alignments
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and mutual acceptance of each other standards and regulations as well as no tariff barriers and so on and charges that if this new repercussions of the good friday agreement all these sorts of negotiations are being made outside of that agreement obviously provided that border stays open with not a single check on it then the good friday agreement can be protected but you said i'm playing with fire they are playing with fire because you know to get to where we got in my twenty's twenty seven two thousand and seven when i was secretary of state under tony blair when we got the old bitter enemies sharing together which they had done until this year for ten nearly ten years required everybody to respect the good friday agreement it was very hard it was very tough
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it took decades of negotiation and compromise and you play with facts at your peril you're talking about working hard by the way as well as you can back customs you deserve what before you surprisingly breaks it secretary said no economic modeling has been done in any sector of the british economy for. what happens to britain in a way i wasn't because this whole enterprise has been. undertaken with a kind of foolhardy jingoism. that we're just going to leave we're going to stick two fingers up to the european union we're doing they're working hard and i think they're working hard but i don't think they've ever really thought it through and really thought through the consequences of britain leaving our biggest trading partner by far what david cameron never thought about ireland it's all winning the referendum i'm afraid both david cameron but especially trays of a and i don't make a party point here because john major the former conservative prime minister is
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virtually said the same thing have not really kept their eye on the ball about the northern ireland peace process and not being hands on in a way that for example gordon brown and especially tony blair and john major before . they really got to you know northern ireland and peace in northern ireland should be the top of the prime minister's in-tray every day and it never has been ok let's turn to britain's other call in the south africa what do you. guess exactly. what are you going for as regards banking links british banking links to alleged corruption in south africa well i was involved in the anti-apartheid struggle i was brought up in south africa south african born parents who were jailed and banned and forced today exile in the struggle with nelson mandela and so it's very painful to me as it is to many others who fought so hard to defeat
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a party to see this corruption and cronyism from president zuma of south africa right the way down to his business elites around around him and what has been clear is that money is being laundered abroad through british banks and other banks billions of rand and hundreds of millions of pounds coming through the by hong kong and british banks have been up to their neck in it h.s.b.c. standard chartered the bank of baroda is based here but also. the banks that have been part of the moving the the money around not necessarily having accounts in the name of members of the zuma family or their business associates to the south african indian family the good but for example santander and barclays and probably other british high school we have the same military banks that it denying. that say . denied just before they were forced to reveal it and went bankrupt for taking
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corrupt money from the same elite p.m.g. . mckinsey also it's a pretty global brands also denied that the big it was a bit old vs in the end the struggle in mandela was finally freed to privatisation selling out to the i.m.f. arguably this would result in the kind of corruption we've seen in one developing nation need not have happened name one that it hasn't. is not a function automatic function good governance which happened on a nelson mandela he never tolerated any of the screw ups and would you know if any of the stuff i what it is done is completely betrayed his legacy and president zuma i'm sorry to say and those at the top of the african national congress that i still support and a been a supporter of for decades as were my parents. they have got they've got to change or they're going to die and they're going to drag south africa down into the quagmire with them just very very briefly what retaliation have you suffered
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because of the stunts you appear to be doing well back in the the apartheid days i got a letter bomb which fortunately was faulty more recently i've been trolled and attempts to kind of smear me because i'm speaking the truth and i'm doing this at the request of a very brave whistleblowers inside the south african system financial system and the general state system who are feeding me information to try and reveal the extent of this money laundering because until we we we defeat the. izzy's south africa's not going to be able to get back on track glow and thank you it's a pleasure after the break why did the state mandated b.b.c.'s panorama program not mention the u.k. government funded white helmets we speak to join this vanessa be the about what she discovered on abu suisun trip to syria and. no sign of nights or silent days of broad spectrum razor may often have a formants but this week's been accused full of them all coming up abroad to have
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here's what people have been saying about redacted in the night the senate is full on awesome around the only show i go out of my way to find you know really what it is that really packs a punch oh yeah it is the john oliver of marty americans do the same thing we are apparently better than blue nothings better and see people you've never heard of love redacted tonight not the president of the world bank though very funny to me seriously send us an e-mail. welcome back as u.k. pm dres amaze arguably shambolic bricks at negotiations. continued this week one m.p. a prime minister's questions raised the issue of how stable are the lives of millions living in britain with no new k e u possible it's an alternative the prime minister rowson open letter saying e.u. citizens living locally in the u.k. today will be able to stay but this week my constituent françoise milne was told by
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u.k. vi that she had to wait until breaks it was done and then take your chances in the prime minister tell us the easy citizens living here just run in the brick negotiation things are fine may said but on regs that will generally that's not the way the odds on favorite to replace to raise a may as tory leader appears to see it before my right a liberal friends next goes to brussels wilshere plough new paints to her red lines because i fear on monday you need to look a little bit pink may try to put his mind at ease after a week in which many in the u.k. house of commons think the minority leadership of britain could be nearing its end even off to a bunk defacto coalition partner this is how u.k. labor leader jeremy corbyn summed it up eighteen months since the referendum no answers to the questions. today they haven't yet continue to try is one no answers
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to the questions and the g.o.p. appear to be ruling the roost and telling you what to do this is big whether it's bricks it the national health service social care all rip off railways rising child poverty growing pension of property or universal credit this government this government is unable to solve important issues facing this country the pm disagreed and then replied by waving a labor leaflet at him and that pushing around leaflets which say labor will cancel existing student. strike the right honorable gentleman apologized like crazy. but one apology she didn't seek was from washington which she revealed didn't even consult her over a decision to move the u.s. embassy to jerusalem condemned by one hundred twenty nations of the international movement there was another middle east question. former vice chair of the tory
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party about the world's greatest humanitarian crisis the whole house will support the prime minister last week in the middle east on her visit about the unfolding humanitarian catastrophe. will she continue to provide so much so much pressure to lift both the humanitarian and commercial blockade she said she would but have been arteries are made policies in reality joining me now from bordeaux in southwestern france is journalist but there's a belief she's recently been in syria where she's been investigating u.k. government toys to what british mainstream media has for so long called moderate rebels but there's a thanks for being on going on the go just before we go to syria what about to resume condemning the blockade of the ports in yemen surely a sign of a u.k. a good intentions in the middle east. unfortunately i can't agree that the u.k. has any good intentions in the middle east whatsoever they've been responsible in
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yemen for maintaining the blockade through the u.n. security council resolution two two one six that has effectively used an illegitimate illegitimate basis for its resolution the legitimacy of the twice resigned president hardy to maintain a blockade a humanitarian blockade against the yemeni people and we know that the british government success successively have been profiting from the military industrial complex trade with saudi arabia and are also determining targets in the riyadh command and control center so any. pretensions of humanitarian interests and yemen fall flat. as far as i'm concerned the government didn't know that they're involved in the targeting they're just involved in the training of those told to their lives go into syria them i mean that you've done so much work i should say that we've often relied of your work because you read in syria recently surely your happy now
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that the statement david b.b.c. has finally vindicated some of your work and said that the u.k. taxpayer is funding islam is terrorists that basically can be linked all the way back to islam or bin laden and the destruction of the twin towers that's who the british taxpayer funds and that's what the b.b.c. is about i think it's very interesting that seven years into the conflict a b.b.c. say what shop until now has been very clearly colluding with the british state narrative which is effectively to demonize the syrian state the syrian leadership and the syrian national army this air in our bombing and its allies of course it's taken them seven years apparently to discover this link between u.k. foreign office funding and terrorist factions inside syria when to be fair organizations like r.t. like sputnik independent analysts and investigative journalists have been pointing this out for the last six years so it's let's say the b.b.c.
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are all the late coming to the party here busy deny of course any good luzhin and would accuse the outlets including this journal of just being pro russian propaganda and difficult to proctor in iran and and the syrian government yeah of course but what we've actually thing i believe in their status a panorama program is effectively a controlled detonation a controlled media detonation they've reduced what is a mountain of evidence down to a mole hill i should like to play they focused in on the free syrian place they've completely ignored the white home much that i've been investigating for the last three years that run a very thorough or a run. very similar operation of u.k. foreign office funding via intermediaries both externally and on the ground in syria and who work alongside the free syrian place but not only the war at home it's the local councils all over the entity what i would call shadow state and days
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inside syria are being funded by very similar processes as the free syrian police but the focus of the b.b.c. panorama program was entirely on the free syrian police and of course on adam smith international that has a history of back channel corruption profiteering from aid contracts which is being extensively documented by even mainstream media in the u.k. ok but what you said about the white helmets white helmets but it is still routinely used it was used on the night of that program the we're talking about why are they protected by the mainstream media here i think are the word you used is absolutely correct they are being protected and i honestly believe that there's. a program let's remember b.b.c. panoramas history in syria let's remember saving syria's children and robert steer it's forensic analysis. entire report and its potential to be nothing more than
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propaganda so i genuinely believe this b.b.c. panorama program is to create a scapegoat which is the free syrian place adam smith international in this case while ignoring for me the much more important concept of the white home let's now if we compare the white helmet concept to for example the k.l.a. which morphed into the kosovo security corps in course of our it's a very similar process where saying the british government colluding with al-qaeda affiliates inside syria we're saying running alongside the white helmet organization which we know works hand in. and with no support from various other extremists and stays inside syria it acts as a human share it acts as a protection for the terrorist entity it acts as a. camouflage for the atrocities that they are committing against the syrian people
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so i think we're not saying a protection of the white home it's themselves per se inside syria what we're saying is a protection of the global concept we're saying the white home that's appearing in brazil in venezuela or in malaysia or in the philippines so this is not a serious centric action this is a global issue that protecting the concept that protecting it to be fit for purpose for future military interventions what it does if they learned from the 1980's version of the death squads u.s. death squads goes in that there's a dramatic a what you seem to be suggesting is a whole new p.r. dimension to absolutely look if we look at the process if we look at what i believe the white helmets first of all they infiltrated the country they built upon sectarian divisions that may or may not have access they gained the trust i mean james missouri who's they british trainer of the white home it says that very
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clearly the one entity that people will trust are the fire brigade or the first responders or the humanitarian organizations hence the creation of the white helmets in two thousand and thirteen so we see them infiltrate but then we also see them being in a market for reconstructing syria after the conflict and so securing british government carpet by a gang right inside syria let's say and then they start entire process will be repeated sort of repeat spend cycle elsewhere in other global interventions and one thing that i wanted to make clear option the talk has been about this this funding stream through adam smith international to the free syria. police but what has been completely ignored in this program is the two hundred million that has gone from the conflicts polity and security funds into the euphemistically called syrian opposition and i received the actual breakdown of those two hundred million.
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security fund yes eighteen million in to peace building and track to operations thirty two million to moderate armed groups now they're claiming it's non-lethal aid but how are they vetting these moderately armed groups or those moderate extremist groups safety security and stability now that of course includes the free syrian place and the white helmets fifty four million they're making the claims that the white helmets have saved one hundred thousand lives whereas the documentation and the accountability for this claim they're also claiming that they are helping partnering seven million people inside syria well that's like a thirty five percent of the population that remains inside syria i would also challenge that claim. then we go on to political support fourteen million government livelihood and education in a country that britain shouldn't really be involved in under international law thirty nine million strategic communications twenty three million which claims to empower the moderate voices now they say again we know that funds have gone to an
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organization an ngo set up by x f c o employee carne ross who was also involved in the iraq. who set up independent diplomat we know through the fire declarations that a certain number of millions have gone through independent diplomat and we no independent diplomat have promoted the white home that's in two thousand and sixteen and then human rights and accountability twenty many and this is to develop independent media organizations for example syria that was set up by arc consultants say it was also involved in the creation of the white helmets so you know when we look at the extent. it's and the complex the complexity of this fund saying operation by the british government and the fact that if you put in a freedom of information request they claim of course plausible deniability that everything is being outsourced so they cannot provide information to back up the
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claims that they are making because it is all being outsourced which of course then gives them as we're saying now with b.b.c. panorama the plausible deniability in which they can back off and lay the blame on the adam smith international in this case we often cover austerity issues here and you're talking about hundreds of millions of taxpayer pounds the question arises why on earth would the british government be making the british taxpayer funded people that are in effect linked to you know the person responsible for the bombing of the manchester arena or the westminster bombing here what does britain get out of funding people like that or is this two hundred million has been sent to the syrian opposition with very little ability apparently to vet where that money actually goes to and i prevent in my articles that it goes to terrorist organizations or to terrorist run organizations such as the local councils in east aleppo which again connected to adam smith funding by at that time king project
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inside syria so we see a repeat of the same process as with the free syrian plates but through the local councils at the same time while we are giving millions to the white helmets we're making severe cutbacks to our own. fire brigades for example our own national health service one of the reasons that grandfather was such as he is tragedy and this was a statement made by the fire brigades and selves was that because of various savage cutbacks they were unable to respond in the way that they should have been able to respond so this is an extraordinary situation where our own country is. suffering from cutbacks from austerity from cut backs and our own national health service and yet here we are pouring millions in syria into the health and education into an organization like the white helmets which is why schnabel questionable as to whether it is a terrorist a friday i did organization or not and as i said we've seen it previously in kosovo
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and by the way james' name is your area who was the trainer all of the white helmets was also present in kosovo we don't have coincidences here but that's really thank you and we invite representatives from all organizations and as i mentioned to tell their side of the story here i'm going underground and that's it for the show will be back on monday when the controversial judge appointed by embattled u.k. prime minister theresa may oversees an inquiry into one of the world's worst fires in history just mentioned by the sun in that interview. by social media thirty six days of u.s. backed death squads. mostly women children of the elderly in what is being called the worst massacre in modern latin american history. but all.
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