allowing enabling a pathway for russian athletes to participate in the game so essentially what you're saying that it was a compromise of sorts well i think the i.o.c. enforce the rules that it has its disposal and it led to the situation we find ourselves in they disciplined their member of the russian olympic committee and the i.o.c. is about a good strong olympic games so they they recognize that and have used the expression they don't want to use collective punishment so they created the opportunity for. pleas from russia to participate in the olympic games well it's interesting you say he did they haven't actually resorted to the collective punishment because they are as i'm sure you would agree dozens of clean the russian athletes who have been denied an opportunity to represent their country and the government not the kremlin not president putin but that country all one hundred forty six million people each and every one of them you said previously that you

are not against russia you are against cheating but why then do you support these sort of collective punishment dot denies people who did nothing wrong and i'll put sheets you'd be proud about da country well unless i misunderstand the decision the i.o.c. took. the i.o.c. has created a pathway for russians to come and participate and that's a good thing there are obviously thousands of russian fleets working and training and dreaming about going to the olympic games and through the decision the i.o.c. has taken there is now an opportunity for that and for those individuals. well but those individuals will not be gratified by seeing that country's flag go by hearing that country's national anthem and it is their country that has invested lots of resources into training again they have done nothing wrong and it is not only those

athletes but also millions of the fans who will be watching the olympics don't you think that they have been penalized unfairly well i think the enforcement of the charter of the olympic charter by the i.o.c. against this its member is a very legitimate and responsible thing to do and the consequence of the rules that they agreed to participate by and and in force in russia as the russian olympic committee the consequence of that has repercussions i think the i.o.c. has created a really good way to demonstrate that doping and cheating at the olympic games won't be tolerated yet they've they've not taken a collective view against the individuals from russia who are going to participate if they can demonstrate to the i.o.c. you know one thing that makes me rejoice at this outcome is that i suspect that

both the russian public and athletes from russia may prove very creative in finding ways to sort of draw attention to that country of origin aren't you concerned that this denial of visibility to russian national symbols can actually backfire in making them even more visible because you can ban. the sort of the playing of the russian anthem but the you cannot ban the baby athletes from singing it acapella you cannot ban the spectators to fans from raising the russian flag on this dance to don't you think that the russians would actually be gratified by drawing even more attention to themselves well i mean i guess that's not part of the mandate. the institute of national anti-doping organizations i don't fully understand the i.o.c. position on these things and and it's very clear over the history of the olympic games there have been many individual locks that of have. been taken by individual

participants during those games to express a point of view so i presume that russian athletes are no different in that respect than the i.o.c. we'll have to figure out how to deal with those those responses and reactions now the new york times ran an all pad just the other day titled the olympic ban house mr putin and russia and they're making at a key speech i generally greed that these bond deeds to comment yet another opportunity to rally people around the flock in the final months before our presidential elections how do you feel about mr putin being given what some would claim is an unfair political advantage well again from from my perspective i don't follow closely the political situation in russia although i recognize the historical significance there i think from my perspective the the i.o.c.

and enforcing its rules has to make those decisions based on the facts that it has in hand and i think the i.o.c. to great care and some period of time before rendering that the situation so my sense is that and we've expressed that earlier this week we we appreciate the fact that the i.o.c. finally made a decision in time for individual russian athletes who can demonstrate that they deserve to go to the olympics and and are clean like their fellow competitors that they deserve a chance to be there mr mcwhorter let me just clarify my question because it is interesting to me to get your view on whether you believe sports. connected to politics in any way because russia is a very passionate country. about its athletes it is also a very patriotic country and i can tell you for sure heard that politicians use sports for personal benefit there is also a feeling in this country that sport obvious areas to penalize its unfairly so. i

want to use the political considerations figure at all in these doping scandal on either side well i take a different view about the purpose of sport in the benefit of sport i mean sport is a very powerful way to build character and improve the lives of of individual citizens in all of our countries and the joy of competition is really what drives the fleets and coaches that participate at the level take the sochi winter games. there was a very striking moment in an amends sprint semi final where a russian competitor broke his ski and a canadian cross-country ski coach ran to his rescue with a ski intended for canadian athletes and put it on the russians foot so that he could finish the race that to me is the real power of the olympic of the olympic games of the olympic movement well and yet you organization also comments on issues

. that could be deemed as political recent i need a statement suppose it's all of the running controversy was somewhat more defined charge also i think you refer to the mclaren reported ology and effort to subvert the those facts and we are mere mid commission it's been up held that's why we chose to use that term i'm not quite sure that it was fully app to see report clearly states authority so that is actually a country each of these two reports you find more credible. institutionalized doping and here this week and as i unbolted in a variety of organizations including. including the ministry of sporting klute and including the the. russian anti doping lab that participated in this process so they too have recognized that there were multiple players involved in this effort to subvert the doping system no i don't

dispute that that particular conclusion there was indeed a recognition that officials had been involved but the i think where the contradiction lies is what was the highest level for authorisation of doc kind of program and i think the i.c. didn't point specifically to the kremlin as a thing as many wada officials have done in the years well my reading of the schmidt report and the decision the i o. i.o.c. took was that the the ministry of sport had some officials involved and i believe one of the disciplinary actions they took was the then minister of sport at the time should be held responsible for the activities of the officials in the ministry of sport and that's where the that's the limit to which certainly i now know would comment on is reflected in in the reports from professor mclaren and and now the

schmidt report well mr mcwhorter we have to take a short break now but we will be back in just a few moments states. so there's no those all important as a person but he is a board as far as business would go as a risk of the regime falling up. so indeed the americas are americans so much less to have him leave folderol from time to time they keep saying at the again so in the end i think most countries are accepting that the will stay. low blow hard sell you on the idea that dropping bombs brings peace to the chicken

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back to worlds apart with dr mccoy each year i'll be in scituate national ping organizations mr mcwhorter just to pick up where we left off the mclaren report relies too much greater extent on the testimonies by the former had of the russian anti doping agency gregorio watching a few claims that he himself played a vital role in dots large scale cheating procuring illicit substances tampering with the samples opening up those containers etc do you believe he should face legal responsibility for his own role in all of this well. though you knew you identified him as the head of our the russian anti-doping agency i think he was the lab director in the moscow accredited by water i think the decisions taken by water with respect to his oversight and. we would respect that's

their area of operation and he's obviously been very strongly implicated in this process and the officials that are responsible to mete out those justice no doubt will consider those things but mr mcwhorter he said just only is it only why it's business to decide what would happen to him because from what i understand and he himself is very detailed in describing his wrongdoing his own role in this whole scheme that involved criminal action you know dealing in illicit substances breaking into classified facilities isn't that something that should be law because it seems to me that it's not just an athlete goldstone's crash and this is actually a criminal activity right well i guess for my part i now though we work with individual national antidoping agencies. around the world return to the place of compliance with the world anti-doping code and be able to run

a robust and independent anti doping program in in russia and we've enjoyed meeting the new staff there and beginning that collaboration and so far as mr rudd chank off is concerned from our perspective there is a huge violation of trust that is found in the world anti-doping code that we all signed on to and agreed to enforce and from my perspective his involvement is is a travesty and his agreement to participate in this institution institutionalized doping system is is a tragedy beyond belief so you know what what happens to mr rudd chunk of going forward i can't comment i don't even know where the gentleman is but i do know that his actions were a very very significant or did very significant damage to the credibility of anti-doping it's not just the russians who have some cleaning to do but also why

that band of the day russian was doing his job on behalf of wada and instead would be i seeing is what i celebrate him as a whistleblower when in fact he is an accomplice at the very least he's expertise was bydel to making that whole scheme possible he could have stopped it at any moment he did and don't you think that bringing him to justice into legal silence would benefit why this perception in the eyes of the russians as an impartial organisation committed to anti doping practices while i certainly do believe that his his part in the process was instrumental in fact i know some people maybe even suggested that he was one of the ringleaders in conceiving the process. i don't know the information well enough to comment on that but i do know that water has a very extensive responsibility in this area in enforcing the world anti-doping

code and i think water has demonstrated its willingness to enforce the world anti-doping code and the penalties that are found within the world anti-doping code and the other rules that are found within the world anti-doping code i believe water is doing a great job and that is the institute for national anti-doping organizations so from my perspective water is going to continue to fulfill their mandate and follow the rules that drive the organization and are subject to assessment by the membership of water which is comprised of fifty percent governments and fifty percent the sport movement so no doubt there's lots of pressure on want to do the right thing well the right thing would be bringing mr roach in cause to account for his own actions and not letting him to play a claim the whistle blowing defense is defined simply because he's not just

a whistle blower he was somebody who actually contributed and precipitated in that scheme you mentioned before the issue a lot of participation and one of the leading organizations within why is the. american anti duping agency which. starting in january two thousand again receiving multi million dollar grounds directly from the executive office of the american president as well as a number of brands from the u.s. department of defense for anyone interested the data is available the usa spending dog offa at least quite a few of brands totaling around thirty six million dollars in i just wonder if you find it surprising that the white house and the pentagon have so much direct interest in anti doping activities well i think it's the it's the mandate. all governments of the world who have signed the you know sco convention against open their country to to fulfill the enforcement of the world anti-doping

code and they do that through a variety of means through promoting messages through funding organizations through making available the resources for anti doping activities to be undertaken so i wouldn't be surprised if governments around the world at their highest levels are committing funds to eliminate doping in sport it's the greatest threat body of sport and the greatest threat to the promise that sport has found within the olympic values well to the respect the white house is not a state institution it's a political office which is very partisan by its very nature i'm kind of surprised that you don't see anything noteworthy political office would be allocating money directly to such a specialized agency would you feel the same way if the kremlin's would have been found wiring money directly to rosado would. set off any red flags while.

your knowledge of the internal funding of national governments is obviously much better than mine i think that from the point of view of the way the dollars within a government's operations find their way into. battling doping in sport and promoting the messages around the value of the sport is and is a national concern and it's it's under national jurisdiction that's sovereign it's independent and each country i guess has their own manner in making that happen and so i can't comment up in the united states i could be and white house. current lympics i mean that's when the money started coming not before but starting in. january two thousand and fifteen but i want to ask you one more it seems that team usa has an oversized representation of athletes with various attention deficit

disorders which allows legally to be taking drugs with performance enhancing qualities as somebody who started in the in the united states i know for a fact that a.t.g. for example is. over diagnosed and country i mean that is a fact that is accepted by medical professionals there i just wonder don't you think it would give a somewhat unfair advantage to the american athletes when they can legally take drugs would not be available to other athletes. well i guess to really answer that question one has to look at the rules around therapeutic use exemption which are available to all athletes in the world and the premise there oxana is that athletes who require a medication for healthy living that might otherwise be banned in sport have the

right to apply to use those things and those medications and the application process is very thorough it's vetted domestically it's vetted internationally and it must be ultimately approved and signed off by the world anti-doping agency and by the international sports federation that the athlete participates in and it's and it's true i think that globally different medical issues present themselves at different rates and the medical systems respond to those things differently in those countries i.e. i remain very convinced that the rules around therapeutic use exemption and the oversight that goes along with those things. are appropriate there and forced and very clearly the athletes that are enabled to use those medications may only use them to the level of returning to normal health which means that the dosage is the

dosage is watched very carefully the nature of the drug that's watched is is particularly important and often times the committees that make those decisions advocate the use of other medications that may not provide those those same performance enhancing benefits that you that you have are describing here so with all of those safeguards in place i think it's more appropriate to allow athletes that have medical conditions to be able to enjoy the benefits of sport and. to participate in sport where they otherwise wouldn't be able to well mr mccreery let me add challenge that because there is still a debate in the scientific community of whether for example carbon fiber pressed prosthetics known as blades give. any advantage and despite oscar pistorius which is a patient in the london olympics the athletes have been denied that right specifically

because the scientific community believes that there may be an unfair advantage why should they be treated cognitive our neural difficulties. in a presidential way should those athletes if they have those issues be competing in paralympics well i guess it all starts with establish the rules that are in place and the rules that are being enforced have the right to argue those with their peers and colleagues who is whether or not they're the rule you would agree with and i think the debate that exists is is clear and that's the nature of an association such as the olympics and such as international sport there are different approaches and different opinions and we do our best to try and establish a common approach and we share that knowledge freely around the world and for example in canada we have welcomed we have hosted rusa and we hope soon to bring back in and share all of our information and approaches to this thing so that they

can develop the the same type of standards and utilize them if they believe they're helpful within the country so it's a collective approach and i don't think that there's a single right way to proceed in this area other than the common agreement that we all arrive and agree to abide by mr mcquarrie i said to the agree with you on that point out only hope that you could bring suicide. rosado once it's reinstated and right it's good to go as issues and discuss both american and canadian colleagues unfortunately we have to leave it here. we are out of time but i really really appreciate you being on our show and to our use please share your comments on our twitter facebook and youtube pages and i hope to see you again same place same time here on worlds apart.

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