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oh and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered peter lavelle trust in the mainstream media is an all time low but no one should be surprised in the media has itself to blame for this sad state of affairs is a self-inflicted wound and actually a conscious business model the media no longer has an interest in reporting news media today propagates ideology. crosstalk in the state of the media i'm joined by my guest eric alterman in new

york he is a sunni distinguished professor of english and journalism at brooklyn college as well as the liberal media columnist for the nation also in new york we have lionel he is a legal analyst and a news decoder at lionel media dot com and implement we cross to patrick headings and he is a journalist writer and founder of the news website twenty first century wired dot com all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it let me go to lionel first in new york i'm not going to list all of the mistakes the mainstream media has made over the last few months because that would take up the entire program and then some suffice to say lionel i think it's quite evident that the new york times the washington post c.n.n. m.s.m. the m.s.m. b c and other news organizations they're making mistakes because they have a blind hatred for donald trump their blind hatred is throwing journalistic practices and principles out the window and this is damaging the information sphere

in the united states and i would say the political process as well go ahead lionel . i would venture to say is an admixture of trump derangement syndrome in full bloom its negligence its malfeasance and also is that amazing isn't it amazing in shocking perhaps that none of these mistakes ever in europe to the benefit of trump or anybody else or they never deal with hillary clinton or those of the so-called left and progressive left or whatever it's always a unit directional mistake there is never and by the by the biggest problem right now that is facing this country is not this this this this problem geisha in this proliferation i should say of sexual dalliances it's the fact that today's mainstream media today's ted baxter sockpuppet echo chamber rants and ossified media is dead it's through isn't the death throes and the faces an existential threat that's their problem and you'd think they'd be shaping up as sort of you

could then they really were negligent that eric let me go do you think that's a very good point to mention i mean they should be they should get their act together but you know we had we still don't know why three different outlets confirm the same. bogus russia story last week had a retraction or an update but they don't and they didn't explain to the public how they came to that disastrous conclusion across the board i mean no wonder people don't trust the media anymore they're not transparent go ahead eric. i find everything i've heard said on this program so far to be ridiculous i think the mainstream media or first of all the word media is a plural noun so to talk about the media you have to make distinctions between which media you're discussing. i think the media you mean which is c.n.n. the new york times washington post and cetera i think they're an impossible position because they are faced with a president who lies on average six times

a day that's a statistic compiled by the washington post he probably lies much more than that but those are the lies they've caught using a very narrow definition of a lie so the mainstream media doesn't act the mainstream media doesn't lie is that what you're saying first of all we're talking. well i'm pretty capable of saying exactly what i want you not to put words in my mouth but i'm trying to understand your words fastens lies fox fox news lies but no the mainstream media by and large certainly the new york times washington post and other reputable outlets never lie on purpose they make with stakes but it's very hard to cover a president who is purposely undermining american democracy who again lies on average six times a day and doesn't care that it's called lying let me ask you a question just take one for instance donald trump repeatedly tweeted that barack obama wiretapped him on purpose now the justice department found that that was not true as well but they're saying how there seems to be overwhelming evidence that he

was less than he was i don't sort of a i'm not i'm not around then i don't know there's no i wouldn't i don't know i know i said before that if i am so out of the tunnel i don't want to have any filibustering if one wants i believe in freedom of speech about and i want to hear that freedom of speech from patrick inclement go ahead patrick react to what you've heard so far of what a. first of all i'm going to disagree with what eric said about defining the terms i'm going to say media as a singular entity because when it comes to all things rush and grammatical things and trying to media do it well it might be grammatically correct but it does represent the reality of the situation which is that media is completely together in lockstep reading off the same hymn sheet on all things russian and if you want to talk about the mainstream media this these are all fake news stories for mainstream media this is just my file for the washington post the new york times

c.n.n. granted cnn's house for this but this is perhaps my favorite pokey man go was hijacked by vladimir putin to mislead americans this is a c.n.n. exclusive this is just one example of many and to say that the the. what you're doing eric is is creating a false equivalency trying to compare donald trump's twitter tirades to the fourth what's supposed to be the fourth estate who has a collective budget operating budget of over ten million ten billion sorry billion dollars in the united states all of these mainstream media outlets basically putting out fake news the c.n.n. wiki leaks story is quite interesting because the same so-called sources were used apparently by c.b.s. news as well as c.n.n. and others and you read the e-mail and you can see the date it was september fourteenth so i had the question is you know were these did these sources actually read the so-called evidence or should it have been done in braille or or the c.n.n.

so journalists so-called journalists are they illiterate how does this type of mistake come to come to be and how is it repeated and passed on to other laundered laundered through c.n.n. and then on him he said b.s. i mean you are a c.n.n. uses twitter i don't like to put fake news out and then retracts it let me go to line here i mean it's that's ok the story that was just mentioned by patrick there i mean it's a they want to believe in what they say this is they see this and they jump on board is it laziness or is it you know what level of intentionality because had i said there's so many of them i mean patrick has held up a whole stack of the i mean it seems endless i could can't imagine this would have happened during the obama administration go ahead lionel well. well the first had to start off with the idea as evidence exhibit a by well after all you have the most lining president so therefore anything that happens is somehow weighed in

cancelled by the fact that well trump is a liar let's take this week now you know how is a c.n.n. story about downtime getting in a wiki leaks memo or e-mail and all it did was reading a day correctly so it's all about which is reading a day correctly and not say oh for fourteen years i was it was a transposition of numbers that's all it was now you tell me how donald trump's mendacity. and thank you for clarifying that medium is a singular noun not a plural but tell me how to their employer only now you know the same name down city you get a room guilty to two two whacks veracious you explain to me how that has anything to do with c.n.n. or somebody else to say you know what we made a mistake that's all it is. eric you want to reply to that go ahead imperfect. practice that's why it's called the first draft of history the press is there to make room said that what you what you were doing what you were doing what you were

doing is actually trying to create a false equivalence between the deliberate lies of the trump administration and its supporters and the mistakes that are part of being a jerk a part of a journalist i'm not saying don't make mistakes i'm not saying this will not think you know united smits i'm still not on their heads and every species premise has done a pro it's not what has gone from i'm not done i'm not that's not the kind of finish when has gone trump admitted that or kodama was born in the united states. no waiting ok let's talk about something out there like that happen this is very good ultimate good thing else i don't talk about what we're talking about now bring something else up fantastic look i want to give you an example just in i was attacking your absolutely baseless claim you said the problem is forget the fact that this is fake media we have the most lying the most mendacious president there is that's what you said i was addressing that so what do you do when you're losing

the argument let's bring up the bursar think let's change the subject but i don't know with whom you did a lot of bases listen for a little not what i said what i said is work what i said is listen fucking what i said you're misrepresenting what i said why you're misrepresenting what i said what i said is i don't think a difficult. area to speak go ahead eric go ahead go ahead what i said i did not change the subject what i said is the media are not up to the job of covering a president who lies on average six times a day and doesn't care that he's caught lying will just lie every time he's caught lying so they're not that's very difficult to do because you can't fact check every single sentence the president says so they're going to make mistakes there's going to be more mistakes they're going to be serious mistakes that does not take away from the fact that this president is what i say all of the morning our democracy and our media and our media are going to hold a lot of holding that stands between and well like you know they're clearly going

to put on record it seems to me this really low standards of journalism that's what's destroying democracy and the faith in the system that the journalism has to take responsibility for what they do forty seconds patrick before we go to the break go ahead newsflash erick and everybody politicians lie barack obama i'm going to close gitmo was through the president and i could get on and on and on on those laws so politicians i was elected i can't you know it's no longer let me finish let me finish sir let me. finish sir ok you can expect to make excuses for what you call the fourth estate and sort it's ok for them to what you call make mistakes they're fabricating news stories they're fabricating sources they are literally making up news and putting it out on the cycle there is no evidence of russian collusion eighteen months later there's nothing fake news for eighteen straight months on all the major networks and newspapers that is the fake news crisis it is not done right gentlemen i'm

a chance to hear what you got it was short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the state of the media stay with r.t. . trump fantasy it is. very much from the existing plurality system because he was so different from the other candidates if you took any one of those mainstream candidates and you put him in the head to head contest with trump. that other candidate might well have one.