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decision to recognize jerusalem as israel's capital has been condemned as illegal around the world even by america's own allies well this mean for the palestinian conflict well i asked former head of the un international law commission christian thomas shot. heating up once again with american recognition of jerusalem. over the west bank clerics in gaza calling for general uprising against israel. in the middle east world react to washington and the role of the jerusalem. question tom was shot former had of the u.n. international law commission welcome to the show it's really great to have you on our program now some of that strongest move to recognize the capital of israel goes against the u.n. security council resolutions that the u.s.

itself supported like you said the tell me can the usa go against a legally binding decision stat it has backed itself. security council. legally binding decisions on jerusalem but there are many. of those security council which. focus on. resolutions. crackdowns appalled by united states why do you resort. to older measures. to incorporate jerusalem as the israeli territory. well and void and this was also as i said already backed by is a united states that was in nine hundred seventy one a very important resolution to nine hundred ninety eight of nine hundred seventy one and also we have the advisory opinion of the international court of justice

which clearly sans ant. jerusalem easter is room is still not part of israel is occupied territory occupied territory this is a multi international court of justice said and i think this is a high is so authorities in the field of international law now and this whole situation all his actions are illegal can the palestinians go to some sort of a court that would actually reassure their rights to mr islam for example and what kind of court would that mean well that's very difficult there is he interested code of justice that already in two thousand and four pronounce itself on the status in particular of the volga which was constructed kweisi by east on palestinian territory and i think we have no other caught it is the internet code of justice and it might well be that. advisory opinion could be

requested by the general assembly for example the general assembly has a power to request an advisory opinion from the international court of tarsus the first one was on the wall and the second one could be on the status of jerusalem. so as we're stablished strops move may be contrary to international law which doesn't recognize israel's sovereignty over all of jerusalem but they accusations of illegality down stop anything from happening today. the question is how can an action that not compatible is international how can they be stopped you know this this in a way is a reclusive general weakness of international international has no police force no army it relies on. compliance voluntary compliance by the states on the rules of international and in this regard unfortunately.

israel is not very good to say it fairly well you're in general assembly had a vote on the us decision and take us and way to the u.n. nikki haley's that president truong taking this very personally president himself said he will cut off financial aid to countries to vote against this decision will washington achieve anything here by threats while the united states should not. act by pressure and coercion on other states i think is it's there's not a fan as this is not compatible as he saw the inequality of stays states must be able to or for announce themselves freely in the general assembly of the united nations and take said decisions freely was out i outside hindrance i think and if president trump takes it personally is this an alter parameters because it's

not a personal matter between him and the palestinians he's a president of the united states and he should take care of the interests of the united states and also over israel saying we also have to take care of see long term interests of the jewish people. we'll have an interest in peace and stability in the middle east how unprecedented is this move by haley sending a memo to one hundred eighty countries basically instructing them how to vote does this happen knowledge time in today's united nations while you know you can always add to a stage you can always suggest stars or countries that they should vote in a specific sense it says alter your freedom of as a sovereign country toe establish contacts with other countries with your friends and tell them persuade them to vote in a specific and sense but then it should be no pressure i think threat of

interrupting financial assistance because many a time when your name like it does seem like washington thinks it runs the united nations now yeah saps. see use of be the case but do washington of course cannot run the united nations this is a community of one hundred ninety three nations the united states has a permanent seat on the security council but it did that does not make the united states a master of the united nations that is very clear there must be agreement and we have to seek consensus within the united nations the law washington of course is not the master of the united nations. care were still in and b.c. act has been the us law sends nine hundred ninety five but us presidents from bill clinton to barack obama decided to postpone the actual moving of the embassy not to

jeopardize the shaky middle east talks the israeli palestinian peace talks are at the same stalemate like for twenty years now why take this decision now. in a way you know we have to realize that the occupied territories now exist since a fifty years. i think it is time falls upon us to any. right to self-determination which has also a territorial component i think the international community as a whole must make a laugh photo bring peace to the middle east. i think this is not only in the interest of the post ins but as i said before also means the interest of jerusalem because and see. these because it isn't a tease however true interest and stability and peace but such measures as soon as taken by trump do not favor civility and peace in the middle east and ensures them

. exactly seeing how sensitive and inflammatory the issues of east west jerusalem are why would washington go i have and do something that causes this explosion of passions american decision actually ends up in danger inc the security of its ally israel it's a very bad moment and the peace process might prove to be killed. forever. there must be some solution that is very very clear. it's. inappropriate moment i think trump is lacking good advisers who advise him on a reasonable policy is received on to palestine israel and had to wrestle him in particular trump asked that he's fulfilling a campaign promise given to his electorate so as does know about votes in the

american election. and not about the situation in israel and palestine is trump pleasing his voters and the expanse of peace in the middle east while you should not really. engage in foreign policy gone to your electorate your national director it international policies should not be dependent on the rims and fences of the moment so i think any state that has a role to play in international politics house to seek consensus in a peaceful. consensus was on nations which also have a to say on that matter. why is the american opinion on the matter especially important it's more a symbolic move than anything else now. well the american the american. is important because america the united states is a. great power

a big power and military power in particular and the united states can do many things or other states might follow all the example of the united states if it's a good example of course. states should follow the american example but if it's a bad example they should really keep the rules of international law it which are fairly clear east jerusalem in particular is not part of the israeli territory it is under international terrorist action. the interview committee has decided to pursue a stimulus however right of self-determination this is very clear and people that has a right of self-determination must also have a territory and a capital united nations can pass and less resolutions condemning the united states

move but it's quite expected that the u.s. will veto all of them you know in general assemblies decisions are non-binding as well so does the u.n. have any political weight here can they really influence the united states or avert their decision i think in the long run this will pressure to see united states president see interests of the united states the united states is visibly isolated on that issue and if you are alone or if you'll act alone without the support of your allies and friends this will put you in a very difficult situation and in the long run at least you know be very harmful to your own interests. all right we're going to take a short break right now and when we're back we'll continue disk. the u.s. recognition of jerusalem as israel's capital. into the fragile middle east peace

talks with christian former head of the u.n. international law commission. you mean you don't. see. what they did they could put it. to what they did not through only ten space. let alone kill said. no servant it must be that. you speak french. let's.

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international law commission discussing washington controversial decision to move. the app where it cost in the international community welcome back mr thomas shobna i'm just wondering why is the united states will creating so much controversy if you look at it on the other hand it's merely an assertion of what they've been saying for about twenty five years the size the israeli government to situations have been in jerusalem for decades so it's pretty much just an acknowledgement of fact no. well you know their situation is different we should not speak generally of to root of them there are two parts of your islam east jerusalem and west jerusalem and easter jerusalem is occupied territories as determined by a z. international court of justice east or asylum has an international status is it is not israeli state territory it has an international status and according to

the principle self-determination it should be attributed to palestine should be the basis of. capital falls the palestinians the e.u.'s federica mugger raney has rita rated that blocks consolidated approach two words to to state solution to the israeli palestinian problem with jerusalem being the capital for both these ing the e.u. is headed towards recognizing the state of palestine. while that might well be the case i am i am i am not. aware of any move towards that end and it is difficult and i think really there should now be a negotiating process maybe trumps decision. reflected decision. could really stimulate process a negotiating process because now that so much talk about so much discussion about

the situation of jerusalem that could also have a positive effect because people realize that rule him is not just an object of which whose state is can be determined unilaterally just by one state the united states which has no power over palestine the whole region israel and palestine the united states is an alien country assert country that has no effective or no decisive role to play from a legal viewpoint the foreign policy spokesman for the german christian democratic union car alarm or assess middle east or the nearest is called that way not because it's close to the united states but because it's now here up with the us policy in the region becoming erratic and unpredictable can be you step in and do the job.

while this would be highly recommended will i think so but unfortunately i think the e.u. under present conditions is not really effective enough it is not respected as a big power by both sides and unfortunately we have a common foreign policy but but that common power in foreign policy is not supported consensually by all member states that's a very difficult bone of contention and unfortunately the european union does not have a unified if you point on the issue of jerusalem or the minimalist session at making these rallies talk to the palestinian threat for us today is for a fully sense the us is acting too much on the israeli side and the arab states are

till and had jewish i think there should be a meeting of those powerful actors and also i count among them russia russia could play a role also i don't know whether china would like to meddle into zs matters because for china the middle east is. a powder keg and there are always remote from as a middle east they didn't like to interfere with those matters but it says something for the europeans. also for turkey. the european union in the first place i think so and maybe easier again union will be able to reach a common position on the middle east in the long run at least during the next months because now the it is certain to come to some conclusions. let and turkey are already considering setting up their palestinian amber says and is jerusalem in

response to trump's move can other arab states follow certs will list have a domino effect while this i this i don't know all because there are so many tensions in the arab and. the arabs are not always of the same opinion but huge efforts should be deployed you know because it's really a powder keg and there could be some explosion that could even lead to war or one day nobody wants that. i want to come back to my position that the long term interests of the jewish people are peace and stability in the region and therefore you need to preserve some kind of consensus with your neighbors than a simpleton to live as a good neighbor among neighbors israel's intelligence minister has invited us out

of prince to the country to facilitate an oversee the continuation of the peace process can saudi arabia influence make a difference i mean will this unlikely collaborations between israel and saudis last. i think saudi arabia is one of those actives who should engage the best efforts in that negotiating process and i would very much count on saudi arabia among other actors that are they should all come together and push the palestinians the israelis. should not be so much room for extremists who want one hundred percent solutions for themselves neglecting the interests of the others when you need to shape you also have to take into account the interests of the partner with whom you are negotiating that is very important and just one sided measures cannot lead to good results hamas has replied to trunks move with

a declaration of an intifada and uprising against this route well they're actually be whining or is it just hamas is p.r. well intifada you know i think it's an act of despair because the palestinians unfortunately have to acknowledge that the peace process is not making progress it's stalled and what can they do said diplomatic. opportunities are very limited souls a intifada i think that's a cry of almost a trial of despair when people throw stones how this this is nothing very constructive but if you are in such a bad position when you see no roof light at the end of the tunnel there's not a will there's only tar there's only dark in the tunnel and we need constructive

initiatives and i think from many states people in the. as i said i would also or invite see united states to revisit say declaration maybe they come together as russia taki saudi arabia and others to bring peace and stability to the middle east. i asked rules in gaza but fatah and its president abbas role in the west bank and are internationally recognized well abbas supports an intifada i think as a responsible but as to any and statesman i would always look for negotiations for look agreement on consensus but that must be also be offered to palestinian leaders you know there must be a hand which extends to them and tells them that as a viable route to peace this is what they need and i i don't think they are

aggressive by nature but what they want they want to move right to existence is in the territory without being controlled. also or while. not treated by is of to be all the time under the control of israel is not pleasant almost an acceptable for a nation to be in a way subjugated its of its foreign rule under which they are placed and they should have very soon their own rules they should be free to make determinations on their own fate. another aspect of the subject is that the number of israeli settlements on the territory of the palestinian authority is growing and

there are so intertwined with palestinian towns that imagining an actual and independent palestinian state is very hard right now is there anything that can make israel withdraw its elements from the west bank. well that's that's so difficult because we have the experience of the was stalled of israel from the gaza strip you know was a settlers say they fought violently against the restore all of israeli rule from the gaza strip and now to remove all the settlements from the west bank seems to be almost impossible some solution must be found maybe those those people would be them while. in palestinian territory under palestinian authority for them it would be hard to accept that would be a solution for them to accept that these territories and says settlements also are

ruled by palestinian institutions a palestinian government why not if it's a government under the rule of law this could be accepted it but he must be of course a government under the rule of law goes out and he or even should without violence but it's imaginable if good will prevails mr thomas shot is that the settlement issue in essence a lot more important to the conflict than the status of jerusalem. the settlement issue is extremely important. you know would it to bring the recognition of jerusalem as the capital of israel brings every seeing into focus. and the fact that these settlements are growing it's very. i can recall in disconnection of the advisory opinion of the international court of justice which

sad that these settlements are unlawful under international no doubt about it just as walty into the cold which are so sad and we have to respect it. all right thank you very much for this interview who are talking to christian thomas shot former had on things you were an international law commission about they are professionals of u.s. recognition of jerusalem as israel's capital that is it for this edition of self and co i'll see you next. how does it feel to be a share of the greatest job in the world it's as close to being

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