mentioned by patrick they're i mean it's a they want to believe in what they say that this is but a see this in the jump on board is it laziness or is it you know what level of intentionality because it i said there are so many of them i mean patrick has held up a whole stack of i mean it seems endless i could can't imagine this would have happened during the obama administration go ahead lionel well. well at first had to start off with the idea as evidence exhibit a by well after all you have the most lining president so therefore anything that happens is somehow outweighed in cancelled by the fact that well trump is a liar let's take this week no you how is a c.n.n. story about donald trump and wiki leaks memo or e-mail and all it did was reading a day correctly so it's all about which is reading the date correctly and not say oh for fourteen it's all a was it was a transposition of numbers that's all it was now you tell me how donald trump's

mendacity and thank you for clarifying that medium is a singular noun and not a plural but tell me how to the employee not a thing maybe around a city you're going to roll guilty to two to wax vera to explain to me how that has anything to do with c.n.n. or somebody else is saying you know what we made a mistake that's all it is. erick you want to reply that go ahead. sure first of all i'm not here to defend c.n.n. i think c.n.n. is pretty crappy and they did make a mistake and they did admit it. so journalists make mistakes old time it's a very imperfect. practice that's why it's called the first draft of history the press is there to make rome said that what you what you were doing what you were doing what you were doing is actually trying to create a false equivalence between the deliberate lies of the trump administration and its supporters and the mistakes that are part of being a part of

a journalist i'm not saying don't make mistakes i'm not saying this will not think you know the united submitted some say i'm not there had been very specious premix has double trouble it's not what has gone from i'm not done i'm not not that confident when has donald trump admitted that or kodama was born in the united states. no waiting ok let's talk about something out which i had happen this is very good ultimate good thing i'll share on talk about what we're talking about now bring something else up fantastic look i want to give you an example just and i was attacking your absolutely baseless claim you said the problem is forget the fact that this is fake media we have the most lying the most mendacious president there is that's what you said i was addressing that so what do you do when you're losing the argument let's bring up the birth or think let's change the subject but i don't know with whom you do there's a lot of bases listen well that was not what i said what i said is work what i said

is listen fucking what i said you're misrepresenting what i said why you're misrepresenting what i think what i said is i don't think they're difficult. speak go ahead eric go ahead go ahead let what i said i did not say into the subject what i said is the media are not up to the job of covering a president who lies on average six times a day and doesn't care that he's caught lying will just lie every time he's caught lying so they're not that's very difficult to do because you can't fact that every single sentence the president says so they're going to make mistakes there's going to be more mistakes they're going to be serious mistakes that does not take away from the fact that this president is what i say hello good morning our democracy and our media and our media are going to hold a lot of holding that stands between it will let you know they're going to clearly go to put on record it seems to me this really low standards of journalism that's what's destroying democracy and the faith in the system that the journalism has to take responsibility for what they do forty seconds patrick before we go to the

break go ahead newsflash erick and everybody politicians lie barack obama i'm going to close gitmo was through the president and i could get on and on and on on those lies so politicians i was elected i can't you know it's no longer let me finish let me finish sir. finish sir ok you can expect to make excuses for what you call the fourth estate and so it's ok for them to what you call make mistakes they're fabricating news stories they're fabricating sources they're literally making up news and putting it out on the cycle there is no evidence of russian collusion eighteen months later there's nothing fake news for eighteen straight months on all the major networks and newspapers that is the fake news crisis it is not done right gentlemen i'm a janitor here we need to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the state of the media stay with our team.

is a civilization just a tiny bit more advanced than we are that they can already pick up jerry springer or any other sitcoms interview shows the nightly news they see what we're doing to our planet you know it isn't really a very pretty picture and so in addition to sending this chaotic messages that we use to communicate with one another we want to send a clear signal to the extraterrestrial that there's also some rationality on.

all t.v. we have a great team we need to strengthen before the free float world cold and you're better than a legend to keep it so it's at the back. you know. you know i do too that must qualify for the european championships at the very last moment no one believed in us but we won and i'm hoping to bring some of that waving spirit to the r.c.c. . recently i had a lot of practice so i can guarantee you that peter schmeichel will be on the best form since my last will call on that story as we. thousand zero zero zero zero zero russia. none of those left left left more or less ok stop that's really good. in two thousand and sixteen the panama paper has shown the world with

a tax haven the secrets to trailing and united states dollars pass through most. in the amount of time that we've been in the panama papers exposure that's what it shows a lot of money it really is. journalism it's an act of journalism looking at things that people want to keep secret and asking why would they want to keep these things secret. millions of fonseka don't humans were examining. all the people we basically have tried to get an advantage out of this thought it was his paper. and probably other politician which what. other politicians the media would point to find targets such as the kings of morocco in saudi arabia the president of argentina several prime ministers. and russian president vladimir putin of pools. that tied so i have sued so many

newspapers for defamation some things don't just happen by chance it was very striking there were no more americans to go specially a lot of people from the brics countries specially brazil. russia and china their special project reveals what was missed in the media coverage. the panama chronicles. the war zone you on the idea that dropping bombs brings peace to the chicken hawks forcing you to fight the battles that. you stopped by to tell you that because of the public by. one of my eyes and tell you on the whole and by. all the harm that we along the border will walk.

across like we're all things considered i'm peter bell to remind you we're discussing the state of the media. ok let me go back to eric in new york and i think you would least concede that the liberal mainstream media has it out for trump and i think that's why they're making all of these mistakes because they have a certain goal and anything that they can get their hands on or even make up they're going to employ because they think they're morally correct they think they're doing the right thing i actually believe that they think that they're doing the right thing but what i do what bothers me is what we said in this program is it damages the profession of journalism in the process and the trust people have in the media go ahead eric well first of all i concede nothing you just said to go back to the previous point i happen to have written my doctoral dissertation at

stanford university on presidential lying on the history of present like i published a book called when presidents lie and i'm writing a second book on presidential line right now for basic books. not all presidents president mohamed ever told a lie may i finish finish may i finish. obama well do you and your new like. eric keep going eric keep going. well the example you brought up sir it's not a lie obama said he would close gitmo he tried to close gitmo and congress would lead that's not a law without a willing that's a felt both were still waiting you know in years later finish math you're waiting for obama the thing is i want to know when it's going to close president hillary clinton. benefited from mad finish you have to answer the to answer the moderators question. the liberal quote unquote liberal media are not liberal the mainstream

media is in the business of making money that's why during the campaign donald trump was given billions of dollars in free media with his speeches being carried live his phone calls been carried live where he lied consistently lied about virtually everything he said as again he has told according to the washington post count i believe they have been eric's error and then i think her and this right is a program is about letting me finish well because you're going into the weeds again this program is about professional journalism is we don't need to hear the crickets on these other topics ok i mean birth urson you know all of this is not on the top of what it's about to get at the present actual is one of journalism and they are breaking their bond with the public the polls show it ok let me go to lionel last year c.b.s. news said the president said trump is good for c.b.s. for exactly the same reasons that eric mentioned here it's not about getting the story right it's about the kind of propaganda they want to propagate and make money

off of it that is a disgrace to journalism you should stop calling it journalism then leinil go ahead . this is going to be one of the greatest interviews discussions ever because this fellow does exactly i beg to differ what everybody hates he is the personification of that which we hate prevarication and not admitting which is true and obvious to anybody the issue that peter asked was what do you do about not fake news not bias because we can argue bias all day long but what about when they just get it wrong. then they just get about that's the framework mr p.h.d. that's the framework so what this fella does is sort of answering that because he can't answer it he's smart enough to realize i have no answer let me throw in something about trump being a liar and that is the reason why the mainstream liberal media is

dying for me to last for all those everybody knows it and you sure are exhibit a and i present to the jury that is the world see this is what it's about can't even answer the question all you had to do was just concede that the jew the duty of journalism is just to get it right what did it killed your fella to say that but you can't do it because you know we i don't know what i do i get what i mean there is some kind of a and had made a mistake and that it is one hundred let me let me go to patrick here but patrick one of the things that gets going i don't have to tell you let's deal with facts here but unlike the liberal media that makes make things up i mean you know it was seventeen intelligence agencies. it's a fact that the the d.n.c. was hard but the f.b.i. never looked at the servers the d.n.c. didn't allow that what i'm getting at is that you keep hearing on c.n.n.

and this n.b.c. eccentrics they keep repeating the same unsubstantiated claims as if it is. a law of gravity and you never hear anybody pushing back there this group think this is exactly what it is it's group think and it's turned into a cult with the real it's a religious cult now they have and anyone that violates it is considered a heretic go ahead patrick like us i suppose for us i will agree with erick that it's not a liberal media exclusively per se that happens to be a kind of a liberal hysterical insurgency right now in the mainstream media but c.n.n. will read straight off of pentagon briefings. state department briefings and the new york times will do the same straight off the party line on certain issues so they really are there to protect the establishment whether that's a liberal or a conservative establishment or military industrial complex establishment you just have to have this hysteria going on the problem with all journalistic standards

have been thrown out the window in the last eighteen months because when it comes to anything russia or trump but especially russia this is much bigger than trump by the way this is as a geo political scope to it it's tell don't show so the accusations get rolled out but they don't actually have any evidence can out can someone find me one piece of evidence that russia hacked the us elections or even hacked the d.n.a. .