immediately after reports came up people suspected isis symptomatic of the fear that extremism is no borders the tragic shooting in in the united states my condolences to the american people and especially sad incident we. feel their pain because we have gone through a lot and almost every day we can get a criticism of the bomber ministrations response to violence in afghanistan in a moment but it's clear that president otranto as a candidate was talking about isolationism some said his response to terror in your country has been a near nuclear attack on your country apparently without even the permission of afghan authorities we don't want our country to be bombed with. huge huge. destruction of weapons and bombs we want peace in afghanistan and the united states can talk to us and to bring peace and stability and to defeat extremism we

have more to fear today so we have questions why and that is about who should be discussing how come there is more extremism and how to address it. clearly mornings killings prisons violations of for sovereignty more than it or homes it'll have spent of people has not worked because we have more of it today there was the taliban there was this there was a high that we have. on top of it so how come investor question we have in and we are seeking answers for these questions not more bombs you know the president on job realized some of the answers winning understood that the obama administration and perhaps catalyzed ice is in your country and that was that was the reason he used the bow. he understand that that was not the reason they use that bomb even if that was the reason we strongly as

a people disagree with it. you cannot just throw your biggest bomb on a people. because you want to kill a few individuals. and join the environment into the village the air the water the agriculture of those people know it is wrong but it isn't even was for that the bomb wasn't even was for that they said this was to. indicate to north korea the us power short of a nuclear bomb whatever the purpose was. it was an atrocity on the afghan people and that's why i condemn that then i condemn it now ok we do think that the trouble ministration understands us. catalyze

the catalyzing of i swear by it as well as i'm sure he does when there are people who tell him i mean you more as a racist yes concert absolutely absolutely look as a as a mention earlier the united states came to afghanistan in the name of ending extremism. bringing an end to radicalism and extremist forces who are perpetrating violence in afghanistan and elsewhere from two thousand and one since the incident of the tragedy of. september eleventh to today. do we have more of it in afghanistan and our region and in the broader region surrounding afghanistan to the middle east or do we have less of it we clearly clearly visibly every day by all accounts have more of it and now for the past three four years you have died or the isiah as the stomach state. having

merged in afghanistan who did this under the watch of u.s. intelligence and military and how come we have the right us the square and the u.s. government must answer yes the answer is with them it isn't with us you have suspicion of the afghan bases we used to have i have i have more than suspicion u.s. bases that i have more than suspicions i have more than suspicions i have seen the afghan people come to me in tell me how they are supplied with helicopters how unmarked. non-military color helicopters supply these people not only in one part of the country but in many parts of ghana son and this is a daily occurrence and this is a daily reporting that we get from from our people from our villages and also from sources within our government you see some people may begin to understand here in britain that britain has been supporting defacto isis and al-qaeda linked rebels in

syria but we're told here the british troops served your country and this country valuably by by liberating helmand province. well at that time they did help and we are grateful for what britain has done for canister it was a must see much much softer version of what the united states did but him and is not with the afghan government today it is back with the taliban therefore. it is now their all weather term most most most of that therefore we must come to a conclusion. that bombs and military action especially by foreign forces will not bring us peace or an inch to extremism. that has to be tooting see one within afghanistan afghans must evolve a mechanism of our own we the afghan people to reach out to everybody specially

specially the taliban who are from our country who are the sons of foresight to seek a settlement second this afghan effort must be helped by everybody the united states must become because our proactive partner with the region and with the bigger region with the big countries in the region that is. china russia including our neighbors parks and iran and india to bring us to bring us peace in other words if the us. comes on board will be very happy matters will be easier for us for peace if it does not then i suppose we have no alternative but to go to the region and seek their help and that's the direction i believe things are moving in you mentioned foreign powers the general mattis head of the pentagon last week arguing there really ill that. rocket attacks. he blamed the russians for

supporting the taliban well that's an indication of how things are wrong seventeen years on the americans can't even keep the airport safe on the day. the defense secure of the night still anyhow and other reasons the involvement and need to seclusion or visiting kabul no. russia was supportive of the united states . from two thousand and one from the born conference. held with the under the auspices of the united nations russia and the entire region were supported by russian leaders have told me personally that the u.s. is doing the right thing in afghanistan the time must cooperate with them so have the chinese so have the indians even the even in step quite in spite of the different ways general mattis saying rescuers were and i'm coming to the point the russians were supporting the inner cities the russians were allowing us supply is when pakistan became difficult. to go true true true true russian territory

thousands of things of supply convoys went through russia to come to afghanistan they supplied the afghan police they gave us training they were cooperative the russians began to suspect things that afghanistan when exactly as we did extremism did not end. that increased violence did not end but spread and on top of it then the ice or ice ice also emerged so like i asked the russians of questions now how come who's doing it. in response to that they're american say you're supporting the taliban. the russians or right to ask those questions we ask those questions and the americans and their allies must answer our questions how come there is more extremism in spite of billions of

dollars and the loss of life massively to the afghan people and also to the nato forces in afghanistan because there's a question without any proof regarding what the proof is in what is happening in afghanistan. we got peace in afghanistan. extremism was defeated within a month the creeping invasion of our country from our neighboring country was was was removed within a month not because the foreign forces were. the only factor of doing that but because the afghan people were supportive the afghan people wanted a change and the region supported the united states and its allies with tremendous goodwill they all began to help us in the beginning of my government my travels to this country even when afghanistan had nothing no government no administration no means no money nothing wherever i went for example when i went to moscow russia sent me

a plane took which was converted back and helped china do the same iran if anybody india turkey europe the arab countries why isn't that environment there anymore because something has gone wrong. and that something has gone wrong is because of the forces who are there to improve things but things are not to prove so naturally there are questions and questions are founded on. fundamentally strong evidence of wrongdoing how would you characterize us destabilization of your government and of afghan democracy we know from wiki leaks cables that hillary clinton said we need to do everything we can to rebalance a playing field tilted. at that time to cars are referring to yourself and we have other cables explaining other than us ambassador i can very clearly the these

people want to tell them oust me or to weaken the order to bring me to an arrangement that was not in accordance to the afghan constitution. it will be resisted they failed. afghan people voted but the counting of the vote was into her hands. and through various mechanisms including some international we can isms the manipulated those words and the try to work force me to accepting that arrangement . which was to have a chief executive for me like what we have now the syringe meant but i refused to accept that the reason the united states interfere with very much as the americans lead directly unfortunately in that in that is that is a very sore point for us because. when we will come to united states and its allies in the west it was it was not only to remove extremism from of ganesan to bring us liberation as a country back and to stand on our own feet as a nation again but also to be

a. iraq radek society too because we believed in the west's practice or democracy and we thought the same ideals they had for us. sadly soon we recognize that no what they choose and prefer in life for themselves is used against us as a tool of manipulation and who are the key players in undermining afghan democracy or that there's an ongoing i say richard holbrooke those are individual un mission in afghanistan b two there are a few yes he was appointed by the united states there robert gates defense secretary there too not that well he was a decent gentleman but the others you mentioned ambassador i can bury the late. and god great they were the tools of the us administration for this purpose. individually have i don't blame them they were serving their government and any

official who would do that once instructed to do to take a certain. policy through the united nations office where he used. very much but there were also individuals within the united nations for example that of the united nations at the time in afghanistan. to present to the sick general id who was under pressure but he stood up to them and he took. very much under the circumstances a middle ground was you know he is. he took the middle ground which meant he sided with us. with would rightness righteousness i believe. common cause i'll just stop you there for a quick break more from the former president of afghanistan and bought two of going underground.

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a very pretty picture and so in addition to sending this chaotic messages that we use to communicate with one another we want to send. clearer signal to the extraterrestrial that there's also some rationality on the world. welcome back where we're at the former president of afghanistan hamid karzai just on this question you're raising about u.s. involvement in support of isis de s. there. is no implication that britain will colluded in any of this we haven't heard that no because he i mean you did say that the girls used to be able to go to school in helmand around with fourteen u.s. soldiers when four thousand british soldiers arrived suddenly knowing was safe what was the british involvement in helmand and did it improve things or it initially improved things but in

a way as to turn subsequently things went bad and i mean i i look i have i have studied britain very well i know this country very well it is a tragic arguably colonial history in your area the true wars that we had all of that but that does not blind me to the fact the that many aspects of their presence in afghanistan were also very good it keast the british government was on a source when mistakes happened in they came and told us maybe five hundred likes a really five hundred civilians were killed just by british soldiers little doesn't is that a lot of is going to go to the u.s. military and that is to be condemned intrade sized very strongly which i did at the time but i must be fair they were also. they also told us when something when truong they came to us and said well this when truong in our troops did this or that so that aspect was also that the u.s. didn't accept general mcchrystal. who was

a very fine officer who would come and tell me that disposed and something has gone wrong and that's why he was quickly to moved did you have to see the brad pitt film no i haven't. heard across haven't seen the film i believe it's a funny movie but i haven't seen it tragically funny where did all the money go these billions and billions for billion in twenties the team that went to afghanistan general petraeus the disgraced former head of the cia saying we're going to use money like ammunition in afghanistan and that's what they did exactly like ammunition and so i didn't work. it cost more corruption they were throwing money and. indeed like a magician through rapid firing money firing guns but. into contracts and subconscious and subcontracts yes they did that very very much and that was the fundamental cause of. corrupting things like getting the stuff.

they did turn in the turn some people into millionaires overnight and then in another part of the country be bombed to be put into total extinction overnight so that was the conflict because in a country where unicef this week said two hundred thousand children are malnourished yes. yes unfortunately and we don't really get this story obviously told in mainstream media how do you believe that only people like holbrooke and clinton were trying to undermine democracy in afghanistan the use of mainstream media you've seen the b.b.c. and c.n.n. i want to be fair to. clinton hillary hillary clinton. she was among the the more. dignified u.s.

officials. i could talk to her. and all with her. and she would all go back and understand we need your face but for wiki leaks we never came back to things that have only behind our backs i don't know but we did have a very decent relationship and that's what i subscribe to when i when i when i pass judgment on on on someone so i haven't seen her plotting actually. in a meeting where my officials had gone to washington just before the elections. the came back and told me that she actually stopped the date holbrooke when he tried to create an interim government in a democratic leadership to superseding the mockers yes just before the election but but i believe she snubbed him and said no that's not the right thing so that there were things that occurred that. i respect but then how do you see the relationship with pakistan you've been vocally critical over that you have gone in the present

president says i guess i will be a high price which doesn't respond properly to the change well when i see park situation pakistan is a neighbor of ours we have to live together backed by china and the elated by china india and i think the united states more in the past by the united states. but pakistan as a neighbor. there are two two. strong contrasts they had in our views with regard to pakistan. when we became refugees after the soviet invasion of afghanistan the pakistani people who welcomed us tremendously and believably like brothers and sisters and we lived as if we lived in our own homes in afghanistan and that will continue a very bags they're making for the v.a. back in the in which you. i thought it out that area that carried the welcomed us tremendously as as refugees but then as backers of the afghan resistance against of

the former soviet union them and the americans also. did the most horrible. activity of trying to weaken the afghan traditional system of our own to weaken our moderation to weaken to weaken our tolerant society and to turn our asian into an extreme tool in their hands against the soviet union for the americans and for their own purposes for pakistan which we resisted which we denounced but which would lead to the eleventh which would lead to all other things nine eleven included and the destruction of afghanistan and the bachelor of gas and all of that. now with president trump's announcement of the new strategy for afghanistan and something isha i hope pakistan will recognize. that pakistan was used by the united states. against a neighbor. fora per person that it was not humane in but now.

they're doing the same tours pakistan to prevent integration in the street and to prevent the economic development of this region do you think china could help them understand that by the saudis dream big ai loan on the high through the end stand pakistan have is an educated establishment are set up to recognise this here is a common point between us we don't see the us strategy as helping afghanistan we see it as undermining others through afghanistan and we don't want to be tools in a big game where we gets tipped over for those of others. did the same towards us but we don't want to do the same pakistan we want to extend a hand of friendship to pakistan and show them listerine hands with the region and solve it ourselves from the deep conspiracy where is the l.a.

arabia fits in with all of this do you see it as a source of funding for terror in your country no not no no doing my guys are geographically actually legit during my government had i had a lot of interaction with the saudi. government they tried their best to help us in the peace process they also understand understood our situation there was a time that the saudis and the americans and some out of countries and boxes did this all of them the same what we did what they did but but during my government the saudis were very helpful they tried their best to help general flynn before he became drones national security adviser and then to resign as national security advisor was on this show saying iran is the big problem echoing perhaps what we're hearing from trump today about the fact that the saudi top not at all not at all. iran has been

a tremendous help to afghanistan. you know iran is clearly against extremism. iran is a country against whom extremism is directed they know it and we know it. so iran is a tremendous help to afghanistan it was in spite of the u.s. presence in afghanistan in spite of the differences that they had the intensity of the differences you know that was there between them iran helpless in an understood u.s. presence in afghanistan and never bothered us because of that and we also short our our our independence and our goodwill and told them that well the presidential gurney understands that when i know he well when we go in we will he must make sure that afghanistan is not used for an american agenda against iran that is what i made sure when my government he or any afghan government must make sure that afghanistan is not used by any power against our neighbors but obviously you're you

mean the don't trust doesn't seem to understand that he's usually on trial here and russia dominic donald trump has his own agenda but that's not our agenda. afghan agenda should be different afghan should be peace in our neighborhood in that region and friendship between us and our neighbors and specially between afghanistan and and and the big powers in that region. without that we can't do much so it's good relations the best relations with our neighbors and would russia and china. are imperative we must do that britain is obviously supporting trump's surgery in baghdad this well i disagree with that britain should not support from search should look for peace in afghanistan through two means that or available in our region if britain doesn't join in join this trump search probably one of the time you understand we're trying to in twenty zero seven trying to work out complex

negotiations between different communities or tribes and apparently the british. soldiers on the ground rejected your advice about tribal elders and so forth no there was no such think according to me or commander of the mclean says that i don't remember i think britain is one of the countries who that who understands afghan. social complexities very well deserves every only that it is one hundred that should not be allowed in south of the bridge when did he see that i have a date on that particular one but back around the time the dollars that they were there in the south of afghanistan and. my advice to britain is very clear on the present trump strategy in afghanistan that britain should opt for. a non military approach. and negotiations should be the way forward and britain can

help it out because britain is very close to park stuff is it true david miliband then foreign secretary gordon brown at this time wrote to you to say please write a letter to the british people to convince britain that british troops are doing good in afghanistan. there were no no no no no he didn't do that had he asked me i would've written to the to the british people and the truth of conveyed my sentiments on the military front i think given he's off off nato and the us and allies in afghanistan and also conveyed to britain to the mothers in britain. that . the purpose was to send their sons to afghanistan. for the mothers of consent we highly appreciate but that's not what's happening on the ground in afghanistan. as their children are dying in afghanistan sort of thousands of for people there for war is not the way forward there for bush and must start.

as a country deeply involved historically in that part of the word for peace and. for it issues here that would bring parks them closer to afghanistan and us closer to box. and that's it for one of your favorite shows of the season we'll be back with a whole new episode to going on the ground on wednesday the seventeenth of january till then keep in touch by social media have a happy. only

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