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you know one of the big i think issues today that a lot of people and it's interesting you talk about them like playing a song like that in your shows do you do you get pushback from from both sides saying like oh that that's you know that has a history of being a racist song or you have the other side saying oh why are you you know changing the lyrics of a classic song that represents a certain year because i could see how both sides of that should be like we shouldn't play that song to bay because of that you know we're removed beyond it you know or the other side saying that we don't change the song or make it your own because it belongs to us and what are you know for father's wrong we thought at the time you know and maybe we still secretly do you know that kind of thing do you see that kind of pushback when you play excuse me yeah i get all kinds of responses

playing even you know when i joined up with carolina chocolate drops the main tenant of carolina chocolate drops was you know this is black people's music the banjo is a black instrument which was like not you know whatever eight years ago not widely known even within old time world and so we'd play shows and people come up to me hey my granddaddy played the banjo like you know f. you like you're wrong and so you just have to deal with that. as i've gotten older now like just you know historically infiltrating and giving people the visceral reaction of seeing a black person play the banjo has become kind of normalized for me now and so it becomes more of it in integrating these more political ideas social attacking everyone to call it and so when that happens i get responses like what was one of my favorites if we talk about it nothing's going to change hey this music is supposed to be fun and easy why are you doing that or on the flipside i'm glad you didn't get all angry about it i'm glad you can. because i was great to hear.

gets mixed up i've had people leave shows. at a show. you know i think like ten people left and tried to get refunds for we seem to got a place for it we know how to get angry we know that we can people can get enraged about what's happening and see things and get angry how do we use things like music and use the banter how do you see that going into communities and helping them deal with that anger and finding a productive way to help our community. ok have a few things say that. like so you're asking about like how do we use this music and this banjo stuff to get people really to grow and really to change their communities and hopefully change the country. and also like you know. but the beginning of the course was like the response of the anger like response to the images and all that sort of stuff and i like to think about. you know.

sorry given what's going to get my thoughts together and. you know you have like the turn of like nine hundred centuries twentieth century one thousand eight hundred and you know around the beginning one thousand nine hundred there are these work prison farms that are happening and this is a you know after the compromise of eight hundred seventy seven soldiers leave the south and the redeemers take over the south and they're able to just go hog wild fire all the black people from government and they start the black laws which are the birth of jim crow. and it's this is a legal way of who becomes legal but this sinister way of imprisoning mostly black men and you know farming them out to coca-cola dredging swamps in florida all these sorts of things around this time. there's a train of prisoners that breaks down going through florida and usually they transport these prisoners at night but they train breaks down they get there during the day and all these people mostly white people see all these prisoners who are

about to go out and dredge the swamps and they're covered with marks and there may see it and there are people like oh my god this is horrifying we have to stop doing this this is terrible so happens today fast forward thirty years lynchings a big thing lynchings a problem people start seeing it you know lots of black newspapers are trying to put it out there oh my god this lynching thing is terrible we have to stop it. fast forward civil rights movement like you know oh my god cops are brutalizing people and all this stuff terrible bloody sunday happens white people are outrage rodney king happens l.a. riots. almost seems like every thirty twenty years this is happening and you keep going and i think this is that of our generation you know i mean i was about richard pryor where he tells his joke you know you know you get paid on friday night you take your girl out then you get pulled over by the cops you know hands up drop your pants spread your cheeks and he's like you know who feels like having fun after something like that that's why people don't believe this happens because they know the cops differently that's a job from the seventy's that works today. so yeah you know.

white people getting outraged by the injustice the black people had to deal with in this country for hundreds of years does nothing for me. doesn't inspire me any way and it doesn't it's not something that i would bet on i wouldn't put my eggs in that basket. that being said i think that there is something to this thing that i like to. think that inspires me more or feel more optimistic about is a cultural shift right this is idea of you know this cultural shift towards like you know what pop music that i've been digesting forever i'm done with that you know watching a movie called the great wall starring matt damon i think i might be done with that i mean a movie or a show set in new york with no puerto ricans i think i'm done with i'm like that's the kind of thing that. i feel moved towards growing because it's changing the concept of how you look at a person yes everyone going to be outraged by seeing something violent but it's

like how can i change my change your cultural shift so i hope you know when they see when the banjo craze sort of happening people start playing banjos you know a lot of that credit went to like mumford and. taylor swift or and whatever well people might have been driving banjos up or they were they were playing their own things or running their. and things are starting to grow vegetables again in their backyards and canning or. whatever it might be and so. i don't know i think. this is where you know i start to get conned conflicted but i think that it's. if you can. i don't know just to give you can understand something culturally and understand its roots and like if i pick up a banjo and i understand that you know if i don't not a plane if i can destroy what i understand in a deeper level but that brings about some sort of change small ripples but whatever it is american to me in the music especially in the sink you talk about it is

really about. poor are working class americans and it speaks to a lot of different people it's one of those universal things like music do you see new forms of that or do you see that coming and the new music that's that's coming down the pike. there there are you know now americana music is kind of like this big all encompassing thing like. i was at the american awards like two years ago and like booker t. was there performing and like you know under that umbrella. and you have wads you know like dylan welch and. dave rawlings of that stuff you know there are a lot of those guys in the americana john or were influenced by the people from the sixties and seventies who were influenced by a lot of this music that i you know feel more connected to and like to play old time country blues all that sort of stuff. you know so it's not uncommon to hear.

you know an old timey line or an old timey phrase in a modern song put into a modern context you know. i think. the money was the question you asked me. that was a question of like how is this people today sort of creating are people still creating that new thing yeah and so like i think through you know the singer songwriter thing it's becoming a new thing you have like when i hear like electro swing from for it like in europe or if you were like making beats out of old swing music and. yeah you know i think i think that it is being it is. integrating and influencing people and i think you know part of my thing is you know yes know about black people like all day and but also just know the roots of your thing know the roots of what you believe and know the roots of what you're into. and then find a way to express it and so people getting into the old time a thing that old time thing does have that history of protests and activism and

community. and telling the news and telling the stories and expressing it so you know people just get influenced by that that's great you know. where do you see. how you jenkins as a musician and then as a man in the future like where do you see yourself going as a man. you know so you know every day changes you asked me yesterday the answer might it might be different you know. i like playing music i'd like to play more of it i'd like to add some point for going to way to get more instruments into kids' hands you know like music programs closing all over the place and doing things with that i also really like the radio. i actually like that before i came out here i've been working on a project of talking to homeless people in new york and like interviewing homeless people and trying you know more and more buildings are going up in new york city but the homeless population is rising so i want to do something with radio. at my

old high school brooklyn technical high school has a defunct radio tower on top of it so my big like pipeline dream i hope no one steals it it's like reopen the radio station and do something with kids and music on the radio stuff like that as a man. hopewell know how to like fix a diesel engine. on a car like i think that would be good for me and i've never like needed bread i've never like used east to make bread and i think it's a man those two things would probably get the whole thing.

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