on russia or china it's a repudiation of past u.s. policy or the perception of u.s. policy since the end of the soviet union when they're talking about going back a couple decades we're talking about going back to the time of the collapse of the soviet union in the socialist bloc countries so trump is repudiating the past twenty five years well during the past twenty five years the united states sought to function as a unit a polar dominating power but still used multilateral institutions in other words kept the framework of multilateralism and the hallmark of american foreign policy at the conclusion of world war two and key to the construct of the post world war two world order that had the united states in charge but in a multilateral framework where different powers including its defeated enemies from world war two japan and germany had a place they had a place as junior partners where they were given access to markets etc rather than what happened after world war one trump i think is stepping back on

a lot of levels of the abandonment of the paris a climate treaty the rejection of t p p the rejection of almost anything that has to do with a multilateral framework to ripping up of the joint comprehensive planners trying to sabotage the iran nuclear arms deal we see in this document the us in america first it says america will be the dominant power we're no longer going to pretend that multilateralism is enough to keep china and russia and other countries in their place because they are rising and so america must put them back in their place and thus it will be by the by the exercise of american quote american threats american intimidation we see that at the u.n. today trump is telling the rest of the world you know if you vote the wrong way today on jerusalem you're going to be punished that's not engage mitt that's that's bellicosity and using either military or the threats of military or economic aggression or sanctions and. the way of this imploding or policing the new post

world war and now post or order that's very interesting you know mike when i read the report i found it to be very defensive about defense ok because i what really disturbed me was the lack of using diplomatic tools and i really very much agree with what brian was having to say here i mean particularly china i mean we've seen this in history over and over again a rising power either you you know back off and let it happen you deal with it or you have a war ok and it seems to me out of the three options here this it ministration is actually telling us get ready for a confrontation i don't think it's really necessary but that's what it looks like go ahead mike. peter so thank you let me focus like you just did on china for a minute i thought it was a little too strong the report in terms of how it talked about china i think there should have been a statement to acknowledge just how far china's common how much progress it's made and and the order of the international order that you and brian were talking about

did help make it possible so it was american strategy in conjunction with other countries including the soviet union but also our allies that created a u.n. system and then in the west that created an economic system that facilitated china's rise so whatever china's rise has become it was partly our doing and partly our hope now there are problems in the u.s. china economic relationship and i think we do need to take those very seriously but i agree with you that the tone overall is is too negative you know right now we have security concerns about china but that is to some extent inevitable with a rising power and i think overall i have worries about china too but most of its military activities that we don't like are in the uninhabited islands of the south china sea and they're not attacking other countries they're not doing things that historically you know rising powers that at the beginning of the twentieth century for example you know my letter should have been a little more measured i agree with you on that mike let me say with you here i mean. put yourself in the chinese position in beijing and they read this report

here and then they hear from the american white house sort of state department why don't you help us more on north korea i mean if i was sitting in beijing i said well what are you talking about these are your words this is your official policy and you come to us for help i mean it's really quite remarkable the same thing actually can be applied to russia i mean bellicose language towards russia but then they say we need your help or you're not doing enough to fight terrorism and i mean i think if you're outside that bubble it's really kind of. odd rhetoric coming out of this government here thirty seconds i'll stay with you mike before we go to the break go ahead. well i would treat russia and china very differently and i'm sure we'll come back to russia and we were right it was interesting that in his speech in his speech president trump did not use negative language especially about russia in fact he talked about the phone call he and president putin had thanking each other for recent cooperation and so that was a distinct contrast the speech was a distinct contrast to the written report ok gentlemen to jump in here we go to

a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on trump's view of the we're staying with them and. we are so deep in the corruption soul and i think that the reason of corruption is liberals our house from interpretation of liberalism is of course one of the most important reasons reigning corruption and the poor it because she thinks that liberalism is the cure liberalism is the poison. corral sold in america it's the national debt the unaccounted for damage the

security medicare medicaid the corporate debt and yet all that debt together i haven't seen the numbers lately but it's something in excess of five hundred thousand dollars per household and because the debt seller is wall street packages debt sells that makes money in profits and fees from that they feel like they need to make even greater profits they have a big fat cattle prod that they stick into everyone's back and they say negative interest rates are good for you go buy more go give us more of your money go into debt go buy margin go into marjah give us more. welcome back to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter bell to remind you we're discussing trump's view of the world. ok to continue discussion where michael flanagan he's ago going to join us he's the president of planning and consulting and he's

a former congressman michael it's good to have you on the program as we entered the first half year we were talking about the this report that the president has put out and we're talking about russia and china and michaela also in washington he pointed out something that you know the tune well both negative to both countries is slightly less negative towards russia i know what that's all about and i'm going to say before i ask you a question that train has already left the station i there's always been a suspicion here or a hope that you know you could do divide russia in china to have. to slow down their kind of growing alliance strategic alliance and i think that's a pipe dream now i think that is over and i don't think the russians are going to be enticed back there are not enough sticks and they're not enough carrots for that after what's happened over the last few years you know talk about that a little bit there because that's a strategy that people want to have happen but it isn't going to happen go ahead i'm not sure trump wants that to happen i think it is the just of this this

document i think is if you have to read it in the main from whether the discussion that i've heard so far is is is is parsing the exact words and that's a wonderful thing to do it's appropriate but in the main i think we're seeing a movie in strategic views of the world by the united states that puts america first and it's not about america over japan over russia over europe it's about america we're going to take care of what we need to take care of at home before we give away sovereignty money were. work or whatever else we need to put ourselves in peril for some other external need and i think that's what's being said here and i just came back from a conference in india where the same confusion kind of reigned among internationals who really didn't understand that america first is a common doctrine in every country what country would not want its own government to put its own people first internally and then x. sternly do its work for it so i think i think we had a kind of

a base understanding of it to begin with secondly you're seeing a huge emphasis of using trade and using economics as foreign policy and more so the united states has done it maybe one hundred years and i think that's a lot of what's at work here the tough language with russia china it's in your yes it's in there and and i too i joined the panel and wish that it were not so tough but then again you have a nine diplomat in the oval office you've got a guy there who speaks very plainly and also has the art of the deal so there's always there's always a certain given taken to what he says does he really mean this does he really mean that in the main he's being honest with you but the emphasis kind of goes back and forth well and so i wouldn't live and die on particular words or phrases in there you know and i think that's a really extremely good point and i've already mentioned in the program what the report will import addresses that the greatest immigration and trade i'm pretty much all in agreement i mean and that's what he ran on and that's what he's been doing as president here but brian in you know taking on board what we just heard

there i think they want it both ways because i do see donald trump's fingerprints on this but i see you know thirty years of neo conservatives their fingerprints all over it as well and that's an gannett that's what makes the kind of difficult read to try to figure out how to glean through what's really happening here because i mean look at the emphasis on on israel and saudi arabia and then of course you know when we ran his mention is iran is described as the scourge of the world i mean what kind of serious document that scourge of the world i mean we all pretty much know where that came from go ahead brian. yes i consider this document while still representing a lot of continuity in u.s. foreign policy and of course it's partly drafted by national security council and the joint chiefs in the cia they all get a first image the first drafts. there is continuity but i think this represents a sharp shift especially given the fact that the joint comprehensive plan of action

the so-called iran nuclear arms deal for instance could have been the precursor to a new sort of thaw in relations between the united states in iran in the middle east i mean they're cooperating in iraq they have the same enemy in some ways in syria or at least they say they do but this is a sharp reversal of any sort of possibility for that the confrontational language with china or and with russia which goes against would trump was sort of suggesting which during the campaign and afterwards like why not have good relations with russia doesn't it make sense this document adopts a strategic orientation that goes in a different direction the america first of its sort of a sort of a combination of campaign sloganeering and still you know some differentials and trade policy and immigration but in terms of foreign policy orientations towards russia china major players it doesn't it's not the same and i think that we're

going down this is the embrace of the new cold war in providing the logic for the new cold war and if anything it means trump is not only just a capitulated not just surrendered to the cold war years in the neo cons but he's enthusiastically embracing it he wanted to do it he's the first president to actually articulate what's in the document at the time of its publication bush didn't do that obama didn't do that he wasn't required to do it he wanted to do it and that's where trump is heading ok you know mike one of the things that's interesting to me is that i mean we. we still have and i have already invoked. the attack on iraq where you know it's all about american hegemony and i know people don't like that word but i mean this document is basically saying to assure american agenda me where there is no rival power that has many in one of the great regions of the world here in this is a strategy to make sure that doesn't happen here ok i can i can understand that but

i don't understand how that makes america great again i mean look at all of the catastrophes u.s. foreign policy has experienced oh it's since the end of the cold war particularly in this century here and i did and and i give a hat tip to brian i say i understand what he was saying about some of the differences but at the core it is still making sure that no other country in the world can rival the united states but that the unit poland moment is coming to an end why doesn't the united states articulate a policy where it works in unison with other powers we're not in the we're not always going to agree on things rivalry is not always a bad word competition is good but i don't see foreign policy elites in washington understand this you know polar moment is coming to an end go ahead mike well peter let me home in on one specific issue that your broad point raises which is nato expansion and i'm going to make a hopeful comment here i did not see the national security strategy reiterate our longstanding commitment to further nato expansion you may recall that i wrote

a short book this summer in which i advocated that we no longer expand nato provided that president putin would agree to resolve the territorial disputes to mutual satisfaction with ukraine and georgia and also allow those countries sunday to join the european union if they're invited and so wish that would be the new security architecture i propose nothing in this document rules that kind of idea out there is not the traditional commitment to further expand nato to the east which i don't think is directed at russia's expense but if i were a russian i realize i would look at it perhaps quite differently i realize most russians do look at it differently and i think we've gone far enough. that logic luckily than the national security strategy does not endorse further nato expansion at least not explicitly and i hope that creates some room for maneuver on that issue so your big broad points that raises a lot of stuff well you know little mike i don't know when yeah but i know i know the thesis of your book here and you know it's worth a conversation i agree ok we were very far apart on this here but you know we just

had in the last news cycle the trumpet ministration is going to sell lethal arms to ukraine great you know that's that's just plain stupid or just plain stupid ok and that's the but that's a topic for another program let me go back to michael here with you because i want to make sure you get a little bit more time on this program here i mean michael i know how does that how does terms of foreign policy make america great again. that's a great question and i would i wish this were a three hour program because i packed with your your guests have said i mean this is this is a great program peter you're not wrong but let me let me maybe focus your emphasis just a little bit aside again it's a non-diplomatic president it's a man who doesn't have a career in public office and it's also a man who believes that personally interpersonally he is going to be able to deal with foreign leaders on a one on one basis he enjoys a terrific relationship at least on the surface with the premier of japan with or

with the prime minister of japan with the premier of china with mr modi in india and other places as well and in the in the in the recent past they've had very positive personal conversations with mr putin about things of interest to both countries even after this document or while this document was being being promulgated. so the document this national policy yes of course it's there's nothing in here that's alive certainly but there's nothing in here that you need if you have to take to the bank and nail to the wall and say this is absolutely going to be how it's going to be because it says so here that's diplomat talk it's government talk i think you've got a guy who's going to work it in a way that he sees it in the x. and she of the moment in the larger period at the end of this docket michael michael let me go to brian here rapidly running out of time here i mean you know again you know where is the diplomacy all this and let's look at actions i mean you have nikki haley i mean she said disgrace gentleman she's a disgrace that kind of behavior and at that forum here i mean basically we're

going to take your name and watch out we're going to remember you i mean that this that's this bullying it's very primitive there's no professionalism there i mean that this isolates the united states i mean it it's really truly an embarrassment on a national on an international stage go ahead brian. yeah indeed but it's not that far different from what trump is doing right now this week threatening the member states of the u.n. we're we're going to pay attention we'll cut your aid we don't care language like that. i think what we're witnessing here is i think the trump orientation was to sort of retreat from the world stage and i think trump's policies are contributing to us contraction from the world stage and its influence you can as you said in the beginning peter say paying in china we really want to work together we love you we have a great relationship you love us and by the way we're going to mention you twenty four times in our national security report and discuss you in the most bellicose

aggressive way and then and then expect china to be like oh that's great you know china was shocked by this report china was stunned if you read the chinese media this week they were taken aback they did not expect this to come and they don't really count that much on the primacy of individual relations this is an institutional document even if some of it is just whatever language the language of annual reports nonetheless the chinese see in this report something that they did not expect they were very hopeful and i think the russians were earlier hopeful that trump would mean something new something less oriented towards aggression and towards regime change towards unit polar domination that america for ok gentlemen now as we've been around it looks like it doesn't i have to jump in here gentlemen we'll find out if this report actually is a blueprint for the future many thanks to my guests in washington and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.c. you next time and remember.

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ok. that was. an explosion rocks a supermarket in the russian city of st petersburg injuring ten people and investigators say the blast was caused by an improvised bomb packed with ball bearings. german authorities identify a large network of women spreading islamic states ideology online with officials warning that the wives of killed i still find to the now more effective at spreading the group's message of hate. and thousands of documents relating to

controversial episodes in british history have gone missing with the national archives claiming that civil servants simply misplaced the. international line from our moscow studio with meaning to welcome to the program an improvised bomb has exploded in a supermarket in the russian city of st petersburg these are images from inside the store where the device went off injuring ten people counterterrorist investigators are handing the case but it's so far unclear whether the incident is terror. related the bomb was placed inside a locker near the entrance of the supermarket my colleague. discuss the story with medina here in the studio. while we keep receiving reports from versus investigative committee which says that an improvised explosive device could have

caused such a blast that took place in a local supermarket in the city of st petersburg now according to preliminary information that particular explosive device was filled with specified objects and it means that that device intended to cause as much damage as possible because he also adds that the force of that blast was equal to two hundred t.n.t. and experts say that it is about. four hand grenades now for now it was reported that ten people were injured by that very blast and all of them were taken to hospitals. i was on the bus home from work and when we got out at around six fifty. there were already ambulances fire fighters and smoke

five hundred meters away so the sound of the blast behind it. i looked out the window and saw a lot of fire trucks and police asked what had happened and was told there had been an explosion. now it is still unclear what was the motive behind the blast but the committee said that it will take into account all possible versions and also the national antiterrorist committee that has placed this incident under its control and in terms of timing this comes at a pretty pretty busy time it's leading up to the russian it's true the incident took place during relieve the busiest time of the year and we're talking about the run up to the new year's celebrations now that local supermarket where the blast took place is located in quite a big shopping complex so we're talking about crowds of people that were at that very shopping complex at the time of the blast. political scientist max

a promise told us it's too early to jump to conclusions well i've been hearing about this this case that it was indeed not some kind of in the landscape dr an individual or a group of it attacked a supermarket clearly a civilian target and yet we can't really know yet whether it's terrorism because we don't know what the motive is it political or is it perhaps a few go on among employees which which would not be terrorism and so we don't really know the motive yet and so for that reason we don't know whether or not it's terrorists but for the average person on the street that distinction may be you know very academic regardless of what the motive is when you have bombs going off in civilian areas especially as the holidays approach that does generate terror.

the german security service has identified a female terror network spreading islamist ideology online mariette the ports. that's not for the first on what we see women actively involved in promoting jihadist fuz we have been hearing reports about isis female recruiters since of police twenty fourteen those are a wives of a killed islamic state who decided after the death of their husbands to somehow continue that fight but now germany says that the number is on a constant dramatic rise in women and promotes says the men have realized that women could work much better for expanding the scene in this most recent case germany identified what they called the islamist terrorist women's network consisting of a least forty what they call sisters who follow an ultra conservative branch of islam known as selah fees and spread extremist views via internet particularly

targeting so-called nonbelievers the german authorities stress that it would be wrong to equal salafism to terrorists but at the same time they add that it could be potential breeding ground for terrorists all over europe including here in germany especially following last year's bullying terror attack christmas has said have become the time for extra concerns and worries over security because christians and their faith and their holidays and everything that is connected to it include in christmas mark is that the now operating and will be open for the next week at least all of the europe have repeatedly been targeted by islam ist so it has been bet for quite some time but now fears are increasing with the number of those who share salaf he views here in germany rose to an all time high according to the country's intelligence agency germany sees it as

a direct result of dramatic losses in the middle east and as a consequence and rise in a number of returning to europe and. women and now they say that with the defeat of so-called islamic state in syria and iraq europe's security could be as fragile as never before. after the fall of islamic state in syria and iraq more tales of horror lurching of life under the terrorist rule kurdish minority families in iraq and as you see these suffered capture death or in slave moment our senior correspondent rod garcia has been speaking with some of the families who managed to survive the ordeal will show the full interviews on thursday. i'm going to number we were captured we spent two months in iraq then we were taken

to syria they made me a slave were put to work and held where the troops were were given a one hour day to rest and then to run away the court men looked me in the toilet for three days without food or water or try to escape again and again but each time i was caught beaten and severely tortured the shot my friends were back then for mercy on our knees they were hit by mr eric and i was concur sed by has to hers i can talk all on. your monologue i was pregnant but i was sort terrified that i lost my child my husband and family were captured i was left alone with my mother so i took poison i decided it was better to die when they caught me i thought that since my family my husband and my house were gone it would be better to die. twenty fourteen ten files new c.d.'s were killed or kidnapped by i saw in a matter of days of those a third were executed however the true scale of the tragedy may never be fully know

the testimonies that have emerged suggest many have been tortured beheaded or even burnt alive in many cases entire families were captured together women and girls were often sold as sex things while young boys were forced to become i saw fighters someone not even old enough for school then they were forced to serve the terrorists. my daughter was five years old and she was captured for years have passed since then so she is nine we endured a lot of suffering my brother escaped and i stayed at his place then he died instant jar i was desperate after his death and i went to stay with my other brother he is poor and has young children all girls. thousands of documents relating to a controversial episode and positions three appear to be missing the national archives claim they were misplaced or removed by civil servants the revelation has

sparked an outcry the british people deserve to know what the government has done in their name and their loss will only fuel accuse ations of a cover up as a story and it's impossible to believe this loss the declassified files themselves show governments view the public largely as a threat the threat of democracy is deeply embedded if it happened in russia for example would be up in arms about corrupt governments but hey this is the british way to avoid scrutiny of its past misdeeds. which pages of history have been left. well the national archive is a very important resource especially for people like historians and journalists because it keeps documents relating to the country's history and the idea is a perfectly transparent system whereby once government documents are declassified anyone over the age of sixteen can go to the national archives and access these fire.