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not say artificial intelligence is no longer a product of science fiction it already exists and it's developing past. some of the world's greatest minds warning about the dangers of a what do we have to fear as the age of intelligent computer. well we ask a leading scientist in the field of artificial intelligence robotics and jenny are . with the world of artificial intelligence accelerating territory possibilities from the realm of magic to open up right before our eyes. how will the new technology lead to the next step. to what extent. will the artificial intelligence revolution become the foundation of world. and artificial intelligence researcher welcome to the show great to have you with us

now ben wrong curt's whale from google is claiming artificial intelligence will enhance us as humans tesla c.e.o. elon masks asked that people must merge with machines or they'll become irrelevant so if this is the next step in evolution for us we go from apes to humans and then we become androids. well i think there's going to be a lot of possibilities open to us as advanced technology unfolds one of these possibilities will be for us simply to upload our minds into a digital or quantum computing substrate and just become transhuman minds leaving the human body behind altogether another opportunity will be to hybridize with machines i mean this so phone that we have in our pockets can go in our head and we can effectively become cyborgs and this is going to have of sorts of amazing

consequences for our minds and bodies another possibility will be to remain in basically the same human form but do away with annoying features of our current life like like death and disease and snow the and mental illness and so forth there's going to be a spectrum of possibilities and it's going to be much more exciting than human life has been heretofore so if humans will be able to have great their intelligence as you say what what we're going to look like i mean i imagine plugging in its shape and being able to speak chinese elements that are. being able to learn new languages by simply plugging a chip into your head having your. minds in the grasp the full power of the internet of a calculator of an automatic fear improver these will be some of the consequences but it will go way beyond will be able to network our brains into each other's brains and into the brains of ai's which in essence will let us go beyond our

current existence as individual humans and become part of a sort of. group biological mind then do you really think that a human mind can handle that i mean that the fastest growing disorder in twenty first century is mental visible these order all over the world and that's because there's like so much information do you really think we can handle i think we're going to go bizerk and that happens. i think the young generation will be able to handle these changes especially well and some of us who are not so young anymore but with open minds ready to embrace these possibilities should have an easy time i do think there will be some significant adjustment problems for older people who don't want to give up the traditional way of living and and i hope all of these possibilities will be optional so that if people want to remain in their similar

human bodies if they don't want to plug into the digital mind matrix if they want to get sick and die rather than availing themselves of the new possibilities i think people should should be allowed to go by the same token i think that people who want to expand their minds and bodies and grow in an unbounded way to embrace all sorts of new possibilities should also be allowed to do so so you said before that groundbreaking technological leap is coming in the next decade but our current tack like the processors appears to be reaching its limit i mean it's no longer developing us fast as a day so where will this new breakthrough come from. i think the biggest breakthrough that lies ahead is the transition from narrow. to age artificial general intelligence today's. are very good at solving highly particular problems like driving

a car or playing certain acting the stock market once we create a general purpose that can confront new problems that it wasn't explicitly programmed or trained for and this general purpose is going to accomplish one after another task that only humans can do and the general purpose and i will been set itself the task of improving itself and the reprogramming itself and good the mathematician foresaw this in the one nine hundred sixty five when he said the first intelligent machine will be the last invention the human he needs to me. so during this half. a.g.i. development like you college usat that at first things will get that right so how that are we talking about what kind of that i mean will that stalin in progress make humans and of robotics. some people will always be

afraid of progress but that doesn't seem to stop progress from happening when so phones first came out people complained a lot that they were you know they would destroy a normal social interaction people will always be staring at their phones and you know the realities more complex and people are always staring at their phones but they're mostly messaging with each other and carrying out new forms of social interaction in the same way people will be afraid of these new technologies once they're verbal they will embrace them and they will use them in their own way for their for their own purposes for you here always accompanies progress but human nature is to embrace progress and move forward anyway that's where we're not living in caves anymore so you're saying that smart robots will eventually run world governments are humans really going to be confortable with that i mean who is going to obey robots where are they gonna get legitimacy i'm not sure that most people

are comfortable with their current government step further with them because they don't have much choice and i suspect. ai robot governments can be much more rational and lots more compassionate than the current oligarchic human governments that we have i suspect people will be more happy with the new situation than they are with with the current one but the thing with computers despite all the advancement they can make mistakes they freeze any my computer freeze on me all the time. they mouth function they do something stupid where is a guarantee that a robot who decides things for humans will be flawless i mean if there rob a cop shoots me by mistake. i don't think we're going to achieve flawless machines perfection is probably

a pipe dream on the other hand and just as humans are not the fastest running or the high is jumping creatures on earth there's no reason to believe we're necessarily the smartest things that can be created we're not the upper limit of intelligence and we're not the upper limit certainly of kindness compassion and ethics ai's don't need to be perfect to exceed humans in an awful lot of relevant dimensions certainly there's going to be problems as intelligent machines are rolled and progress further and further and take on more and more roles in society there's always going to be some kind of problem i would bet the actual problems that happen are not going to be the ones we foresee know just like before computers in the internet was created known for sabat the computer viruses and the actual issues that we have now we're just going to we're going to move forward

we're going to take the good along with the bad and i'm personally an optimist and believe that the good is going to weigh the bad i believe it has generally through . civilization you know for me the biggest problem in allah is. the economy i mean who are you going to hold accountable if something goes wrong with a robot i mean when human makes a mistake you can put him on trial what imprison anna execute him what he did with . her you know hold him accountable for a mistake he's making. the legal system that we have now is predicated on the idea that humans are the only intelligent beings with moral accountability obviously this is going to have to change and the legal system will have to embrace. as legal persons which will come along with

things like perhaps the right to vote for robots as well as the as they don't need to hold a robot. accountable if it does something wrong i did a machine and a lot more. machines will be able to program their own minds and if necessary the machines will be able to to fix the mind of a machine that's going to rot right now we can't go into the mind of a human social path and just to make them the dangerous so we have to lock them up or kill them these methods are our very crude with an ai we have source code access to their minds and we can adjust their hardware they can adjust their own hardware and because of this i think the incidence of problems is going to be far less since it's really a very crude situation we're in we're running on these machines that we don't

understand and we can't reprogram. so even a toaster these days can be connected to the internet of things and it immediately becomes hackable and is relying on rabbits with brains even more dangerous since you know they can also be. security is going to be a serious problem is more and more things are connected to the internet and more and more things are controlled by intelligent machines ultimately it may be that radical transparency becomes the solution if everyone has the ability to watch everything else what the futurist david turner scrolled valence everyone watching everything if you have that situation then it's much harder for people to get away with stealing things and wreaking havoc because someone will see them and

i think we're already seeing that trend the traditional notion of privacy is on the decline. and we're going to take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking to the band scientists artificial intelligence researcher talking about the advent of robotic intelligence and the possible dangers that may bring to humanity staging. in some american cities the police have built. a reputation of people who walk on the streets of the united states are at risk from the very people who are supposed to protect. people and freedom least the.

you can see something happening this is like i don't want to call the cops. they would rather than call the cops in those young black men lose their lives chasing the. dream goes on the trigger you never know better safe than sorry i don't know that someone else is going to. get. unfortunately around and around here we end up playing arkansas the dance told from such precautions place to bill clinton who. applied for many clubs over the years so i know the game inside guides. football isn't only about what happens on the pitch put the final school it's about the passion from the fans it's the age of the super manager killian erroneous and spending two hundred twenty million and one player. book it's an experience like nothing else not to because i want to share what i think what i know about the

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sign an open letter warning against artificial intelligence used in the military but battle robots are already used in war so if artificial intelligence can get less powerful as you claim it can be well wars become immensely more destructive than they are now. it seems that over time in human history wars. over are decreased in sins and the percentage of the population killed in moore's keeps going down and further more democratic nations quite rarely go to war with each other so i don't actually think we're going to see an explosion of love more and more wars i think we're going to see a more and more democratic and peaceful world but i agree this is a risk and this is why i think it's important that the most powerful ai's are developed as free and open source software for the good of everyone in the world

rather than developed as the exclusive province of some governments military or some large corporation now the only think we can model artificial intelligence on from what i understand is our own human brain but with all the flaws and issues and limitations is it a good model to follow i mean prison scientists are already saying artificial intelligence can quickly become biased racist sexist. there are many different approaches to the creation of advanced ai systems some people are trying to model the brain but not many that's not a common approach in the field even even the neural networks the other widely used for things like image processing are are very very loose models of parts of the human brain and my own work with the open cod artificial general intelligence

system isn't really based on the human brain it's based more on mathematical principles of intelligence just as cars and airplanes and submarines and so forth are they're not based all that closely on biological animals do things that are based on principles of of engineering and mathematics only loosely loosely inspired by biological systems so i think ai's don't have to emulate the human brain and that's a good thing because they can be smarter than us and kinder than us and they can be more open minded and communicate in different ways than we can what an industry will be the driving factor behind robotics evolution military baseball and google poor and maybe robotics interest or killer i predict will be driven by the toy industry the toy industry which is centered largely here in south china and where

i'm sitting right know is much better creating complex consumer electronics a low cost and large scale the and anyone else and furthermore choice can afford to be a little silly and learn as they go where military robots for example must have a very very high very high reliability so actually what we're aiming to do with our robots and hence in robotics is to roll so robots it will be like young a.g.i. children that learn. from the kids who are playing them and and grow up together with the children who own them and think this this can build an emotional and moral bond between humans and robots and give a gentle way for robots to grow up learn human common sense knowledge and learn human values so talking not toys there are people already more attached to sex dolls than real people so if sex robots become a real thing well this ruling remains i mean i'd be so much easier to fail loud

when it's programmed then you don't have to do anything about it you just love it because you know you push button. romans has changed greatly throughout human history i mean in term of the last century or two most marriages were were not based on rowlands and large parts of the world arranged marriage is still the norm so i think love and romance are going to change over and over again as the evolves and exactly what impact sex robots is hard for me to say i have to say it's it's not incredibly appealing to me personally because i value the sort of emotional bond i get with another human because i know my wife is a human and she knows i'm a human in the a certain bond you get from the common al the and sharing but that's me if some

people would prefer sex aroma to another human that doesn't really bother me in particular i'm all for freedom and people having the right to use or not use each new technology as it comes about so tell me something can they charge five artificial intelligence the same weight fights cloning. i think religion has a lot of tower to the human mind to grow and to create social cohesion in groups but you know religion is true very adaptive over time and if you look in the bible or the koran we don't take literally a lot of things that are said there are no time in the christian church adapted itself to birth control and even abortion and reasonably we'll and i think religion will adapt itself to new technologies and the emerge i mean just as it's been doing your company. has found that's run by artificial intelligence from what

i understand he makes predictions about market trends an investor cordingley it's going pretty well right but if you're already earning money thanks to artificial intelligence why isn't everyone lining up for the tac i mean the more people have it the last of man it's gonna bring you so are you maybe trying to keep it a secret or something. financial prediction using is it's definitely the wave of the future and i think within ten years. a tremendous majority of the money or no major market is going to be charitable of of one form or another in an idea we've created some trading strategies that are reasonably successful at the scale at which they traded no but the specific strategies that we're now trading there's a limit to how much how much money we can trade using using those we can trade

trillions of dollars with them so we're working to develop newer and better strategies that will be more and more scoble and a lot of other people are too but there's a diversity of different approaches that can be used on the markets just like there's a lot of different approaches to fundamental trading and to. missional quoted of training so can we create an artificial intelligent robot that's based on a real person like cloning but for the mind i mean would that in essence be digital in our talent. it should be possible via scanning the human brain in great detail to matter of the neural circuits that make a person be them so. replicate a neural structure in some sort of computer be it a digital computer a quantum computer some sort of synthetic biology no no computer once we've done it

we will have a synthetic simulation of a specific human being and then then we have an aging philosophy problem or a few is the simulation of me is that really me just some thing that acting like me and more interesting lee does a simulation of me does it make me does it have the same type of experiences and sensations do or is it just a sort of philosophical zombie that impersonates me with as no true experience and these are questions are going to be intriguing to explore right now and these are shots of the questions but as we develop these technologies these are going to become science questions and part of the new science of the mind so there's amazing new news of discovery that we're going to be exploring exactly so if the human

brain is copied on some kind of hard drive what about emotions and feelings i mean isn't immortality a kind of torture without being able to feel a single thang. bush you couldn't feel anything you wouldn't be tortured nor you you wouldn't you wouldn't surely. think that immortality werther in the human body the greed of disease and suffering or in a robot body to which the mind had been loathe them and it immortality will be a great joy to many people including but if if someone gets sick of living it and finds it to be a torture i'm not in favor of of compulsory immortality so i as i keep saying i think people should have the freedom to leverage these g.'s you know eighty or ninety use of is is not nearly enough to learn everything there is to be learned traveler everywhere there is to be travelled and growing everywhere that's possible

you know it's great if big science minds can live longer and create develop invent more but what about like another side of the story well tyrants and dictators they always want and have dreamed of never aging and living forever what might happen if it becomes possible for them. i think dictators are on their way and democracy is on the rise. of ai that reduces material scarcity and improves communication between people and other minds this will help the rise of democracy and you know the increase of a peaceful and positive world for everyone all right thank you very much for this interesting inside to crazy world of an artificial intelligence good luck with everything we were taught him to crazy. i mean i still can't get

a catch up with him but i hope with time i'll embrace it like you do i just need more time than you. anyways thanks love presenter we were talking to a banker at cell artificial and. allergens animal body expire near author an entrepreneur discussing the rise of thinking rabbits and what that means for humanity in the near future and that's it for this edition of survey call see you next time.

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