not to talk about. the fascination of levees. citing about. at last visiting venice to have a. better world is being created. that sharing a stage with the late hugo chavez well joining me now is that list in filmmaker john pilger his latest film is gold the coming war on china john thanks for coming back on before we get to the world in may and what do you make of jeremy cool been condemning violence on both sides in venezuela venezuela is getting the kind of attention. rightly and used because there is not attempt to overthrow the government that's what this violence in the street is about and i think it would have been rather good of jeremy coburn had made it rather more specific who stops at the violence would we in this country tolerate. an opposition in the cold

for the violent overthrow of the government the cold the military to rise up a media the core of the cold on say let's say the b.b.c. calling for a coup against the government in why i told and the prime minister in the ten downing street of course not yes there is violence on both sides but i would suggest that most of the violence comes from something that has never gone away and that is monopolies that control seventy percent of the capital and economic power and venezuela wanting to get rid of a government that is not a socialist government it's a social democratic up one that is done some very interesting and quite sick significant things for poor people who were regarded in the playoffs as white south africans used to regard the majority in that country. you've been. cooperative

there we go because what one might say but it was the reason he may not speak about the situation venezuela like you just did is that is a policy of not speaking about venezuelan bella's day seems to be paying dividends he's favored to be the next prime minister of this country as well i'm not sure that the two actually together i think a lot of people were very pleased to hear germany speak up not only about venezuela but speak up about the arms trade not simply is the manifesto coals for an inquiry into britain support for saudi arabia and all the arms that britain gives it we know about it it should be an end to a commercial sales policy which was begun by a labor government then as healy set up the procurement office that began this this multi-billion pound. enterprise

profitable enterprise of britain selling arms to some of the most unsavory unnamed countries in the world so they could use them against impoverished people that show day and completely and it would be good to see. to hear labor leaders say that but then he has these own problems within the party we should say very quickly because i would think most of his employees people who would be. more than happy to go ahead with this arms policy more than happy to endorse a so-called independent nuclear deterrent which jeremy coburn himself doesn't op so there's a conflict within the labor party we have to recognise that we don't listen to. the media especially around. treacherous liberal media and i say

treacherous because there's no attempt to report what is happening in venezuela or objectively or really to look at contemporary history in the truth of that and yes it will be good to hear a labor leader. elected with such hope. within his own party and as you suggest possibly the next prime minister speak up about the it will britain obviously with that independent you did attend will support presumably any american war on russia you in your latest piece talk about how the world may end and say that what the us congress have bust is should frighten all of us on the planet way. i don't know if the world will end i think there is such risk at the moment there is such provocation the us congress

both houses. unprecedented almost unanimous a handful of people who voted no have voted for. what they call sanctions against russia in fact these are sanctions against europe as well those sanctions especially against germany because what they are saying is that to the germans who are dependent on russian natural gas you can deal with russia we're going to tell you in fact by the way you can have very expensive. frakt gas which will send across the atlantic but really that is these sanctions is so sweeping the mccarthyite saying you really kongs almost come speak about them in the land of free speech the liberal media says this is a great reaction in the face of trump the manchurian get a date he wanted to get so close to russia a careless i've never been i've never known such a political pantomime the that has gone into act i'm teen.

when it stopped being funny and all what children have gone home just leaving the adults as these auto drivel about how russia has played such a prominent role all conspired with donald trump to put him in power that is so provocative that it in the one oasis of sanity that we've had from the trump and that's he didn't want to go to war with russia i mean where did this come from i haven't been able to figure it out but it's the one it's the one side to trump that has been consistent. but he didn't want to go to war with russia he want to go and talk to putin about not going to war with russia to doing a deal the rest of trump what is like a cartoon version of previous as. this is a deep state coup against over trying to forge a partnership with most players

a rolling coup attempt against the president of the united states at the moment there's no question about that they want him out all the major pillars of power in the united states. plus the democratic party plus most of the media won't trump out because if you take away the whole nato backed circus serious cause which has which is lined up on russia's western border a completely threatening presence of nato forces. on the very borderlands through which hitler invaded russia soviet union in nineteen forty one if if you if you take that away then what happens to the great armaments com companies the producers of the f. thirty five the lockheed martin raytheon what what happens to all those

congressman who have have done sweetheart deals with the companies throughout what happens to the nuclear weapons industry what happens to the whole pyramid upon which power in the united states is is based what led to it one won't go away of course but it's threatened in the same way that a republican president ronald reagan together with mikhail gorbachev threatened it if you like by bringing in the intermediate range nuclear weapons treaty at the end which effectively ended the cold war that very treaty and i haven't seen this in the newspapers at all that very treaty is wiped out in these latest sanctions that ends the last treaty that might stop. a nuclear attack on a lot of the congressional bill signed reluctantly i just get them to i mean we

know the trades are mad no is it asian saying she'd press a button globe it was a loft of a mill it's in this context that you read this news that. we have to go to the pacific fleet says publicly that he would be prepared to destroy the whole of china using the table. is to say that publicly in in such and such a threatening for food is atmosphere in the world. it it shows the degree of irresponsibility if a nuclear war breaks out it will almost certainly break out by mistake or accident i can think for a moment that even some of the lunatics that have gone along with this this new legislation that is going for the us congress would want that really one of the truly sane american generals general james cartwright said a few years ago he lit up a panel that inquired into. the real risk.

faced by people on both sides who have to make a decision very quickly about whether to fire nuclear weapons and they brought it down to less than fifteen minutes and the panel including general copyright agreed the obvious that it's madness but within fifteen minutes of what i just got to just back with us jumbo obviously his campaign repeatedly saying we want an end to all these foreign wars nothing job can do in the face of the whole of go as the deep state little and i don't know the you need to lead is the thing you can do about this against him trump is is a grotesque contradiction he says he says that but he pursues these wars as well it's the one who normally is wanting to. to have some peace deal with russia atlee conspiracy people would say ah that's because he's packing them back or putting him in the white house or something ridiculous

like that but. that's that looking at trump's record trumps record is pretty appalling montreux trump is a bit of a wimp compared with obama bomber ended. having put american to seven wars including the longest war in its in its history having increased the development of nuclear warheads more than any president since the cold war obama's record was on the super hawk trampas has a long way to catch up with his previous us so that's why we really should stop simply looking at trump the man to trump as a kind of symptom and i mentioned earlier a character true almost a cartoon version of a system a system that has produced people that have almost brought us to the edge of nuclear war joe thank you you're welcome after the break we speak to actor and

cannes film festival mc la belle will soon as he switches from the make jokes just starting you want to see a film about marine biologist jacques cousteau for told local environmental catastrophe by diving in the depths of the shins and all the similar coming up i bought two of this season finale of going underground.

i had a great education a good job and a for. i believe the love me. i never had to worry about how i would be somewhere i would sleep. i'm facing christmas alone out on the streets of london . well you love to be honest because i cut the love for you like going to school you know just not in the still give up food for the homeless. because you don't really feel like a human being in that. and then. the guy just came over to me saw me and gave me a change of this book. join me every thursday on the elec simon show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world

of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then. welcome back to a peer reviewed journal nature is published in the past few days that there is a ninety five percent chance of the earth will heat up two degrees centigrade or three point six degrees fahrenheit within the next seventy years or thereabouts aside from possible implications that include the twenty first century ravaged by wars for resources and the displacement or death of tens of millions there are lethal knock on effects for the world's oceans arguably no single person educated the planet about seventy percent of the earth more than jacques cousteau french naval officer explorer a conservationist filmmaker innovator scientist photographer author and research or

jacques cousteau's life is celebrated in a new film the odyssey directed by jerome soule starring as cousteau is an actor a recording artist and director known around the world for his roles in the matrix films bear wilson he joins me now welcome to going underground so what's it like portraying a father son relationship in the film which then so obviously pivots to the fate of the planet itself i think it's a relief to concentrate on only one subject father son relationship when you're talking about a man who's known as crystal because you avoid the typical bio pic. which can be boring and by concentrating on the father son relationship you reveal a lot of the facets aspects of his personality of course his personality. his. brilliancy and at the same time his selfishness and all sorts of nature and he's a sense of desire to control his own territory he's. so i mean

we all know about under the in the oceans basically humanity knows about what's happening under the. a huge upset because of jacques cousteau we breathe underwater because if you sue and this is a lot of it will take for granted really religion really because we forget that he invented the famous aqualung in the forty's in one hundred forty three and that's and it's not a little accomplishment. when he was the first one to film underwater and spread those images through television and before that for cinema. the cannes film festival in the sixty's for the world of silence. we owe him a lot of things i'm not saying this because i studied him and i portrayed him i was part of a generation that grew up with him watching his films every week or every fortnight and he gave us a sense of adventure he gave us

a sense of fun also because what he was doing with you know his crew onboard calypso seemed you know very french everybody was drinking eating occasionally running after a dolphin or a whale but it just it was the first reality t.v. show it was the first to absolutely and was a very clever communicator had a great sense of. you know he invented the red beanie because he wanted to kill it so member and you're wearing on that but yes. he wanted the crew of the calypso boat to be identifiable straightaway so he it's an old thing that used to be worn by people going under water in these big. metal things that used to have the beanie under to protect themselves and he used that simply as a it was modern marketing in a way so he said he was a genius but then there's a slow burn through the film until you get to a line like. you speaking as jacques cousteau's way that the elimination of materialism is required to save the planet that's

a sudden change that comes in the middle of the ville yes i think changed his views about the planet itself ok cousteau is. representative of man's rapport to nature at the end of the twentieth century in the fifty's when he starting diving into filming he's a predator he learned how to dive in order to kill fish and when he's starting to film he uses fish as as material to make sensational images in the sixty's was that all the fish he's been filming in the forty's late forty's have disappeared he starts becoming a little aware and then through a major revelation held by his son felipe who was an activist in ecological activist he called him a militant militant he goes to antartica and realizes that instead of just. taking the world filming the world he needed to protect the world and then he

embarks on this new period in his life. in which he's going to alert the public and he's going to be a whistleblower on ecological issues and to him everything was linked to capitalism the the guilt was on the side of capitalism he was very very pessimistic he never allowed himself to express his pessimism in front of the cameras he did so in his book he was very dark he thought that man was not going to . realize quickly enough how fragile it all was and so he was you know he was he was he didn't have much hope in see which pessimism in the film was all usual was vacillation ironic and you portrayed this in the film that we owe big oil company it's a little bit out of it i wouldn't say all of the character was which is the reason

why in france unlike in america or maybe in other countries of the world to in france is. it is still attacked for his ecological actions in the in the fifty's compromises he needed the money to hear the rumors of everything from and simply to to move the boat and so he got his contract with british petroleum to help them find oil wells near abu dhabi and so he contributed to the destruction of the environment in the in that part of the world but he spent the rest of his life. making this major mayor cool. and so i think it's very unfair but he should be criticized on his attitude in the fifty's you know he refused to have the famous film the world of silence for which he won the palme ago as i was saying he refused to have it altered he could have removed a few images to give himself

a better image no he took full responsibility to show the world that this was the attic. in the fifty's that you could use dynamite to get items of samples of fish to study or that you could use young baby whales as a bait for sharks in order to film great scenes he wanted to say this is how we did it the world was our oyster we didn't ask ourselves and questions but now we do and we will have to more and more russia's vladimir putin is just going to twenty seventeen year of a call a g china supporting russia's marine protection area then talk to that's what they're saying. what do you think jacques cousteau would think of these big was talking about it really because jacques cousteau and the film is not giving it away because joe and antarctica preservation are where we are legally antartica is preserved because of the action. in the late eighty's in the ninety's he went to

visit all the heads of states to extend a moratorium that already existed extended until two thousand and forty eight. but he actually worked very hard and he started with the australian prime minister and then went he was irritated in washington the big oil companies are telling our elected leaders and the general public that they're doing what they can what would be saying about so-called green washing and corporate law here ok i think that was clever so he made he wanted things to be possible he wanted accomplishments to be made so presumably in the c o p twenty one he would've agreed on the. the compromises the arrangements that were made. thank god we have in france at the moment the equivalent of a cousteau who has does not have such an international profile but we have nicola

you know that has just been hired by. as. minister of the transition towards ecology which is interesting as a terminology which proves that france intends to really shift its policy as far as you don't think a macro government would bomb a green peace rainbow warrior ship protesting nuclear testing that sort of that's a tricky question i think that france france still has a tendency to protect national interests. particularly as far as nuclear activity and growth is doing nuclear submarine simulation just the other day showing the. protection of the protection of the and the national military institutions i think france has a tradition of going all the way you know we are

a nuclear force i've just finished a film in the highest where we have some of our nuclear submarines it's very impressive we ignore that part of the reality but actually it's there and very often goes to brittany but it was france will be the only nuclear power in the european union when britain leaves absolutely so i think. until the day you know who is the minister of environment decides to leave because he disagrees i think will want to have a green policy simply because you can only do is an incredibly popular figure in france he is the figure former journalist the figure of and environment they've already had a feud about you know those. chemicals that kill. you know negative noise actually i can never be not even in french but when you you know one so so far you could i would know if you gave initial support in new to.

the green body but i did because you do and i had worked. at greenpeace he was the director of greenpeace before he became. european parliament member and because i wanted the. ecological questions to be raised within the presidential elections and then he is associated himself with a socialist and then he got absorbed and so i then didn't continue supporting him. the ecological issues have not been tackled so much during the french president presidential elections my quiz catching up now i think it's and it's an incredible coup in france that should should have got. everybody trying to get in you cannot go and you could have presented himself as well as for the presidential election so we have one he has all that i have the macro is a technocrat his new liberalism which candidate is allied to goldman sachs and financial institutions you think jacques cousteau whatever your optimism about the

new french president. i think. was a realist and i knew you were. associated himself with with some politicians i think that it's very early days he was. yeah i think he was he was a great diver and swimmer politically tucker and yes exactly it's very early days with michael i think the great thing for us is that he is a very very intelligent man and he's absorbing many new forces including lou is a great example of what michael has up his sleeve so i don't think that you can reduce into just. the banks and liberals and maybe the crisis will happen and i didn't intend to have a political conversation about france clearly the key discussion will be in september when the code for the work legislation is going to be discussed then this

is when he will. clearly define his position and maybe again the country will come to a halt we dream of progress and we dream of. movement in france and every time any quite right is questioned we hit the street and we paralyze the country so we have pretty complicated. and that said what are your favorite shows of the season we'll be back with all new episodes are going on the ground on wednesday the seventeenth of january children keep in touch via social media have a happy altered. you know when you don't. see. what they may not. like to know they.

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