until his vision of the bottom is that there is a show that oh so then surely if you open the market and if you open it for the market economy and a lot of middle class that's going to them that will lead to them across this nation of russia and i don't know whether we're ready for that it's interesting you mention china but you know if you look at the chinese example there how it has actually been a number of trance for example the chinese authorities efforts to make courts more independent and as again a matter of attracting more investment into the country there's also been. a heightened concern about the environmental protection and environmental rights there has also been a growth in the number of small and medium sized businesses so i wonder if that is actually because again we we we hear this argument that threat from the why is that first you need to change the leadership on down everything will follow suit i want even if it just the other way around first you change the system you build institutions and then you will gather you will get the leadership that you deserve

but i agree with you you don't just the leadership you have to change a system that's going to create the leadership you want in other words we'll teach is a culture we have to start you know with living to style through school for medication to teach the people not only to know but how to learn how to participate we have to develop a culture when people can disagree without being disagreeable and resulting skill to being disagreeing and that's in this bill to stuff on the issue of the bottom up it is not going to happen by media is no good to have been bred to be the same from now on the environment is what to be open it doesn't happen but by the creed it happens but it took a show with really starting with from the family the families that you said from the beginning of this interview are very paternalistic ali it is all talk and i think starting from the family does he will talk about the from the duke of system everything is from the bottom of the election in the same direction which is don't want to. you don't discuss and that is the culture that if he does not change he

will be able to diversify you will be able to develop the small businesses you will be able to get the dependence from doesn't know it well dr jesus i have to i beg to disagree with you because i actually live in this society i have a kid who goes to school and i don't know where the western westerners stay take this idea of everything being absolutely controlled in russia in schools in the media whatever this is not how i experience russia but obviously as you just pointed out we have to agree to disagree but for the time being we need to take a very short break and we'll be back in just a few seconds stay tuned. for. hello

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discussed russia's struggle with building institutions which among other things have to serve as a constraint on the executive and i think in the united states we have the opposite extreme institutions living too little if any space for the literature of president trump i know you have. a fairly negative view of him but do you think it's healthy for the system to sabotage and the lock to president to such an extent. to somebody does anybody i think the problem here is whether united states is on the lifecycle in my judgment about it a lot. every system is a life cycle and united states is on the decline in the side of the light life cycle is on the side of the life cycle it is too centralised too bureaucratic and now it's rules in its flexibility that you still have so no the problem is when

you go down the system still falling apart and we see that in america when the republicans or democrats or the throat then congress cannot make a decision they cannot close the aisle it's called to make a decision to go and somehow decisions have to be made in that vacuum the executive branch is saying executive order we will make a decision and we will move and that's where you get the clash between the two the need for the cities are making on one hand and the effectiveness of the political system today because of the fight between the components because one of the in the life cycle well interesting just before the break you were telling me that what russia needs to develop is this culture of agreeing to disagree that you know you need to teach people how to accept each other's differences and in the united states arguably we have some of the best institutions in the world i'm not saying

it ironically i think the united states could really be proud of the kind of institution is built and yet what you're saying is it seems to be exactly the same democrats and republicans people of various political persuasion simply not being able to stand to one another how do you explain this paradox you have strong institutions but still very very little in the way of balancing. as i was thinking before maybe it will make it clear enough. when a system starts to fall apart whether it's a car or a human being or a society and i believe that americans these integration is occurring already not only on the political sphere on the cultural scene on the social scene we're already seeing at the semitism going we see the rejection of minorities we see the lake of tolerance in the past fair play was the culture today.

it's a self-serving culture so this falling apart is what's causing these two to should not to be effective enough because the location of the life cycle and i don't think is not going to change very fast we're not going to change it is really because when we sell aging to reverse it is going to take a lot it will take another crisis a major major crisis the medical system is the engineering the model see that was created in athens in a small town when everybody knows everybody is not a prick about today in a society that is an enormous was my major corporations multinational corporations business is you two should be extremely powerful it's a totally different environment for them across texas two to operate now you often talk about trust and respect being fundamental for. good leadership but i think the american political culture at this juncture could be summarized by

two words and those are mistrust and disrespect and i think on some level this attitude is increasingly becoming institutionalized you can no longer talk about trump you cannot analyze he's actions without expressing profound contempt for him do you think that will and with trump or do you think that will have consequences beyond him no i think. there is a trend look if you look at all the presidents of john f. kennedy. the popular. it is going down more and more and more and more this is because we're revealing the life cycle when there were going to zation ages they turn against their leaders they turn against their leaders in the fulling apart is not only horizontally but also vertical it by the way if clinton was elected she would be criticized not less the kind of companies criticised because the system turns against its leader that's where we are in the life cycle i believe one the

other hand. comparably accenture's is probably essential because as a businessman it doesn't realize that when you get to a political position you need to be more mouth in this case is a big mouth it's more it's of say down and that's why he's suffering through so much criticism and yes i know you have these your own system of classifying leadership styles and you suggested that all leaders could be classified as either producers administrators and turk printers or integrators you call trump a beat east somebody who is used to making his own decisions with very little regard for administrative constraints and he also said before that the bureaucracy in washington is also a fight to the extreme how do you make that system more agile without subjecting you to somebody like trying do you think trump as horrible as you may seem he is could be a necessary wake up call for the aging system. the way you change the system

and have been investing fifty percent fifty years of my life twenty three books about this subject how do you rejuvenate the bureaucracy you do not do it by changing what you can doing which is your leadership but that's not good enough that's the only condition to make a change because you need a leadership that's willing to change the system you have to change the system and with those images the system is to shift the power structure of the company the power structure of the company gets the distro your own the financial people about the risk of those people about the control of both those people that when the system will to change you have to open the system and the pronominal component to it the strategic planning the marketing the systems integration the system the innovation you have to go to components that don't exist in the company you know that to change the culture so it's a structural changes don't just change you the leader but you know regardless of

what you may thing. about russia's role in the two thousand and sixteen us presidential elections i think it's clear that trump. bringing something new into the american political culture i mean he's still part and parcel of the american political system he represents certain trance he represents to use does he not qualify for the kind of opening that you have just laid out is definitely bringing you. new ideas you directions for the system but is going the wrong way about it if you go do what you doctor ok about this node while you do it but how you do it the ho is more important than the what and the and the was because the hope can undermine the work in a way is how he's undermining it it doesn't know how to do the political system you go to elected because of that this is this faction of the people with the political system they want to change they want something different so they go something different now the question is what do you do with that is not successful to make

a change because if you're not mobilized the political power is necessary to make the change is doing it in the vacuum i don't if you previously rode that you believe that secretary clinton would have been a last dangerous leader why why is that she would have been a less dangerous danger i didn't say that i said that she would be criticize this one piece can decide yes but i think there were all that you also wrote an article in which you were very critical. both in the run up to the elections and afterwards and i think in one of those articles you suggested that clinton for all her faults would have been a more i guess castle leader why do you think she would have been a better fit for this aging system the only reason why i thought so is she was not the perfect candidate he's a for me i think with a really problem here to select both of them were not very attractive but she has a lot of experience is the issue of the first lady for many. and she was involved

in the political system she understands the political system and she can maneuver the political system while he can look because he is no longer standing with the political system you know so to run a business is a real estate developer he makes decisions on that is seldom right but never in doubt that's a totally different system that somebody was running a political system should have hillary clinton is somebody who is most famous quote a secretary of state was we came we saw he died hahaha and that was about the brutal murder of another had of state i understand that she would have been more likely to play by the administer to proles of the american brought prosy but why do you think that in and of itself the compliance with those rules is somewhat less dangerous especially if you take into account her role in for example libyan affairs she may have been better for the american system but with the she have been

better for the world our work is a lot of prime ministers i work with prime ministers in my consulting profession i work with c.e.o.'s of the largest companies on earth and i can tell you one thing many of them follow the. story of the. new clove if you know the story of the children's story there. will be this story but there are this is oh what a wonderful close many of these leaders do most of the power that they project to the this is to me is becoming far too big and far too complicated so that by raising like the control people expect them to be in control they're five to the most in control if you think this you can she could have gone through whatever the libya will dreaming she will go to go through all of this is the but she has to act like she is you go through the system that is why she was accused but the real

issue of conduct of the other thing about it well then i don't understand how your argument for her being a less dangerous leader would have. hold but anyway can i finish our conversation of it one one one more question and that takes us back to russia because the russian leadership the russian president i think is more in control of what is happening in this country than many other leaders in many other countries but i think he really needs to change his leadership style right now if he really wants to more than modernize russia to the extent that he saskia once can you do you believe in leaders ability to change that leadership styles at the prime of their careers if he was let's say an integrator or an administrator his entire political life kempsey all of a sudden become the producer or an interpreter or i believe that putin wants to change he wants to change russia i have no doubt about that i've been watching

his actions and by the way i lecture. to all the governors of russia before him so that i've been i've been watching him and i can tell you one thing he wants to change his program is it doesn't know how to go about it because changing a system takes more than just talking about is changing the power structure was over losing control changing the power structure was old losing control look at my hands there is always a conflict between flexibility and controllability if you increase school throw you will slicks ability to do this with control of the national system is to control the flexibility the medical system has a lot of flexibility losing control if they think falling apart how do you bring it together that's where the problem is and that this change in the power structure and he has to do that and i don't know i think he doesn't know how to go about it that is his problem is intentions are good but he does

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with this manufactured sentenced to public will. when the room in closest to protect themselves. when the crime and merry go round be the one percent. we can all middle of the room sick. pakistan's foreign minister issues a blistering ripostes to donald trump over his recent criticism. in the terrified in afghanistan. the afghan capital kabul is rocked by

a suicide attack killing at least fifty islamic state reportedly claims responsibility. also ahead this hour israel offers a cash incentive for illegal african immigrants to leave the country as the prime minister calls them infiltrators and threatens force if they don't go. washington and seoul will suspend drills and hold them after winter olympics being held inside. right around the world this hour welcome to moscow and to our. names you know neal good to have your company our top story donald trump's twitter diplomacy has provoked a furious response from pakistan's foreign minister he's blasted the u.s.

president for claiming islamabad has been on liable partner in the war on terror with the details. well the foreign minister of pakistan has issued a fierce response to trump accusing pakistan of providing safe havens for terrorists they're fighting in afghanistan in not one tweet but three take a listen for yourself you ask what we've done from our bases you carried out fifty seven thousand eight hundred attacks in afghanistan thousands of civilians and soldiers became victims of the war you initiated we stood by you treated your enemy as i wrote we feel guantanamo bay now history teaches us not to blindly trust the us we are sorry they were not be but we were not to mean ourselves any more and the foreign minister hasn't exactly held back when it comes to this particular issue he even said in the past that the terrorists that pakistan is accused of harboring were once quote darlings of the us who are being wind in dined in the white house

so trumps tweets rightfully struck a nerve and immediately following those tweets pakistani officials converge for an emergency security meeting to discuss the issue but pakistanis in general haven't taken trump's tweets so kindly and ironically enough it seems to have united the country's warring factions for example imran khan chairman of pakistan's they have akin soft party had a pretty interesting reaction calling truck mentally weak now the u.s. has even placed pakistan on a special watch list for allegedly violating religious freedom but with all that being said the war in afghanistan is far from over and the u.s. has already lost thousands of lives and spent trillions of dollars but without its neighbor support it's unclear how far the u.s. can really go. well afghanistan is continuing to face an islamist insurgency on thursday i still claim responsibility for a suicide bombing that killed fifteen people and injured many more local journalists spoke to me earlier on that it was an operation against alcohol

and drug dealers in an area that's not very far from the center of the city when the rapid reaction force members of the afghan law and order police arrived there was a superset of. killing a lot of members of the police force the afghan government is finding it very challenging to prevent these attacks from happening in bigger cities including kabul in cities are now our frontline bought for islamic state as well as for the taliban one of the warring concerns here is the existence of sleeper cells and the fact that the afghan government has very little knowledge or very little power to prevent these attacks from happening. to another headline stories this hour the u.s. on site korea have agreed to suspend joint military drills during the upcoming winter olympics in pyongyang china picking up the story kill applaud that. there will be

no military drills during the olympic games we've seen a statement from u.s. president trump that says that he and the south korean leader have agreed to continue putting maximum pressure on the north however they will suspend the military exercises during the olympic games now they said the opposite originally but they if they position seems to have changed let's take a listen to what was said before by the leader of south korea as well as by rex tillerson the secretary of state. it is possible for south korea and the us to review the possibility of postponing the exercises and i have made such a suggestion to the us and the us is currently reviewing them but these are two sizes have been old boy for many years i'm not aware of it even to change what is scheduled now it's been an intriguing turn of events we've seen five different phone calls between the leaders of north korea and the leaders of south korea discussing the participation of north korea in the upcoming games now at this point

the world has seen the north korean leader who made the statement about how he has a nuclear button we then saw the tweet from u.s. president donald trump saying that his nuclear button was much larger however there's another turn as trump is now tweeting out that it's his rhetoric and it's his words and his intervention that is responsible for the north and the south talking to each other and coming to an agreement so it's quite an interesting turn of events as one watches the korean peninsula so as the olympic games approach people are wondering what's going to happen people are concerned about the safety of the athletes who will be participating all eyes are on the korean peninsula earlier we spoke to tom bruce the dean for door to law school in the u.k. he say's the decision appears to show a willingness to deescalate the crisis but what comes next is hard to predict. well i think it might go some way to diffusing tensions it's true that there are lots of tensions around i mean donald trump's recent tweets and threats would seem against

north korea have really been president it is during these games that whatever the other differences are between north korea and the white house that they will. they will kind of hold off on anything. during that time but. one doesn't know what to expect from the provided he is proving he's very difficult to predict what he is going to do next whether that's a cause of poor planning or it's his intentions you know only he and his team will know in north korea is not the most predictable of regimes either these are two leaders that could do something very different tomorrow without batting an eye and . i wouldn't trust too much what they're saying or and you know no

idea what they're really thinking. israel is ready to offer african immigrants money to force them out of the country or else they could face jail officials estimate that around sixty thousand people have crossed the border from egypt in recent years and a third of those have already been deported the israeli prime minister has labeled them infiltrators and said force will be used on less they comply. today the cabinet will approve the plan for deporting the info traitors from israel so we're doing something here that is completely illegal and completely essential infiltrators have a clear choice cooperate with us and leave voluntarily respectively humanely and legally all have to use other legal tools disposal i hope they choose to cooperate with us. earlier i debated the issue with a writer and political commentator vic door yes can get me on levy from they are

read newspaper in israel. we face the problem so-called problem of some city seven thousand asylum seekers refugees who lifts both of them have children here they should stay here they have to stay you know human regime would expand and if israel is going to expel them by force it will be one of the most sharing food stamps that israel had ever taken note less than these they're not refugees they're criminals who crossed the border illegally not all man but you can talk about this solemn seekers when the people come from vatican three to not the contrary to save their lives they how well they they have done quite a long way they didn't want to stay in egypt for example for some reason they want to benefit from our reach from a merciful society not people like you don't live

a who are all true liberal radical bourgeois they live in pure white neighborhoods of tel aviv where they have no problems but the government duffey israel is here to protect this citizens of israel and the people in poor neighborhoods that maybe the roads are suffering tremendously from a v.c. invasion of criminals who and third the contre now some of them of course behaved fine this is exactly the way that they spoke to the surtees in some european countries they change the nature of the country sixty says. they are off a country of nine million people i mean how race iostat that border here paul sombrero his m.o. there find it in the same date i said earlier there are a lot of neighborhoods terrible problem we.