he did get elected through twitter twitter after all. it's a good question. it's hard to take donald trump's twitter obsession seriously. and he says getting in the way getting in the way of war. i mean it's not as if there's a serious man behind. the trump who uses twitter so the trump who uses twitter. is. sort of. egocentric narcissistic trump so whether or not he uses twitter i don't think it really makes any difference and still the same trump thing here just thinking his staff members are worried because it would be better for the white house image that he laid off twitter that he would write less things that are hard for all to the image of the american friends and i mean i you hear a lot of stories about the why of. how they're trying to control him i think he's the type of person who if he wants to do something well irrespective of the white

house staff and the white house stuff anyway it's very much divided in terms of personalities and ideologies so. my guess is that there's probably as much dispute amongst the white house staff on trump's use of twitter. as divided on policy issues. if twitter was trump's biggest problem i wouldn't be particularly. it's just that it's sort of reflects the dysfunctionality of this administration that a president should be using twitter to undermine members of his cabinet. mislead the country to put out different messages from his ministration kind of exemplifies captures the profound dysfunctionality of this or.

we're not going to talk about trump's decisions in politics but i just want to talk about twitter and social media because it came into light with the lection of donald trump and it showed how much power i don't think it's true i think. every election people say for the last two or three elections everyone's always said it's a twitcher election when obama was elected specially the kind of liberal intelligentsia the elites on the the west and the east coast they all said oh finally twitter is a social media is able to generate. a candidate of the people. and finally social media is able to disinter mediate all the institutions of politics and produce a high quality leader and i think in some senses that was true certainly as smart use of social media broke through a lot of the clutter and then four years later eight years after obama was

initially elected we have trump who shows the really dark side of social media so i think what obama and trump show is the social media itself like all these internet technologies are just technologies. there's no reason to suppose that they produce either good or bad leaders i think social media produced in my opinion anyway a very good leader in obama and then a very bad one in trump and. so to blame or to blame social media on the one hand or to say to demonize a or idealize it i think is the wrong way of doing nothing if there is just the to the people outside of the united states does seem like partisan facebook posts for instance which of which post partisan facebook posts are more sicked after than news on the established media. question is why do you think people turn to posting

facebook as opposed to the mainstream media to space well right so now the question here that that route reflects the echo chamber nature of social media which is a huge problem but it's not just a huge problem in america it's a huge problem well why where people are. retreating into that try and when they use particular facebook but also twitter they use these scenes to confirm what they already think but it's also true of television. in america for work says let me let me just finish this point about a television in america you have an echo chamber television culture where the left watch m.s.m. b c and the right watch fox and it doesn't really give them any news it simply lectures them and confirms what they already think social media is part of that but to pick out social media and say that the parts of media. innocence i think would

be a mistake the question is do you mean like the social media gives them what they want to hear even more than the mainstream media although there's two kinds of people when it comes to. understanding the way either you want to understand the world and its complexity and then you read the washington post or the new york times over wall street journal which gives or listen to the b.b.c. which i think reflects the world in that complexity they all have political biases but not so dramatic that they shape their content or you want the world to conform to what you already think and then you then you use facebook or twitter or you watch fox and n.b.c. and everything you think is automatically confirmed the problem i think with digital media is it seems to be enabling that second category that second community but there are many other forces which are pushing. it's very disturbing because

what you see is the disappearance of the middle the creation of these parties and camps and fewer and fewer people are actually opening to listen to other people's arguments will talk a bit about the picture and it causes i mean you're on twitter yourself but you say you're a writer so you need to be and there are so many people who are freelancers and they also have to be on twitter how do you get away with the action if it's a must you work i mean are we going to get to a point when it's going to mandatory to have an account. with you in mandurah tree you mean on the law no no not on the law but like if we don't have a twitter friends this. i'm a media person right and i'm not technology friendly and i've been accused by times of not being active on facebook not being active on instead of because that's the thing to do do you think we're going to get to a point where you can't be successful unless you are in that. i'm not sure i think there's two responses to that i think that we live increasingly in a freelance economy where media becomes our platform to build our brands now maybe

you have a full time job so you don't need to be continually trying to get work but for many people using twitter or facebook enables them to get work whether it's in media or many other things. but i also think there's a. it's beginning on the west coast and things always begin on the west coast as a growing backlash against social media and actually the smartest the most independent the most interesting people particularly young people are actually giving up social media and i think over the next few years what we're going to see is the only loser to be left in social media really. that's a debatable statement but can you what i think you have an interesting in the sense that these things always work six weeks away and i know i've got kids who are bored with social media and most of their for. the bored with social media certainly

facebook's. gone out of fashion then people are on facebook all people parents and grandparents young people wouldn't be caught dead on facebook now the question is maybe they'll go from facebook to instagram or snap chat but at some point i think this generation of so-called digital natives is just going to get bored of all of this thing so i think and i've been saying this for years that the real reaction to social media and technology is going to come from the digital natives the people who have grown up with this stuff and are just bored and disgusted and they just going to go back to the basics are they going to go with something like artificial intelligence and connect their brains to a computer and i think what you're going to see is an interesting new book out called the revenge of analog you seen in the way in which this young generation is embrace vinyl records you see in the way in which they now buy most skin pads you see in the way that they're starting to write letters again you're seeing it in the

way in which the physical books survived against the digital book the digital book did well for a few years and now no one's reading on no one's reading on there can go there will buying books again so i think this new generation will rediscover analogue and i think you'll see analogue becoming increasingly fashionable in the same way for example as when you have more and more self driving cars you'll find a manual cars will become more and more fashionable young people think for them so they're not stupid and there's always been this idea that somehow young people are all going to just immerse themselves in digital and do nothing else and i think that's a fundamental misreading of how innovative and independent thinking young people are so let's talk a bit about jobs for instance corporations like google and amazon killing off smaller businesses people losing their jobs to services like. is this because the

internet is a bad thing or it's because it's inevitable and it's a natural progression of technology. i wouldn't say either things the idea of internet being a bad thing is a reactionary statement the idea that technology is bad is i think an unwise position to take but there's nothing inevitable about it either what's happened with the internet is that you've had the so-called network effect which lends itself to. a very small handful of companies dominating the economy one of the mistakes people made about the internet was that this supposed democracy is asian all people thought would create lots of companies lots of different innovators lots of different entrepreneurs successful entrepreneurs reality is you only have one winner in each sector facebook in social media google in. car sharing. amazon in e-commerce so what you have is

a very typical really development that exaggerated in economics we had it in the industrial revolution with the emergence of monopolies and the way to respond to that is in the way we've always done historically with legislation. and to trust legislation the idea that. technology is to blame for this i think it's a mistake and then take a short break right now when we come back we'll continue talking to and cain internet entrepreneur and author they dangers of social media and internet in today's world stage.

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investor thinks monopolies are good things they're a good thing if you're a monopolist and you're the winner they're a bad thing because they don't enable innovation when you had a monopolist like microsoft. they destroyed innovation they destroyed small companies google and amazon while they are innovators in their own way are also against innovation because they're trying to dominate their markets like any company would let's also mean the last time existing working on. cars and the innovators maybe they're doing they are in a way it is about doing it in the context of their business they're doing it to make sure that we use their drug driverless the idea for example that google. already essentially the big data business. owns many of the other categories of the digital market should also the control the self driving car business is terrified google already knows everything we do through our phones android and i

think is eighty six percent of all users use the android platform if we all get in our self driving cars. they know where we are all the time they're not evil they're big they're not big brother but what they'll do is continually. so the idea that google should control that entire platform i think is is is not only dangerous but also doesn't enable real innovation because google's interest is benefiting the search engine it's not real innovation so what we need is a new wave of innovators new kinds of operating systems which are more open which enable more entrepreneur and more kinds of innovation you touched upon an interesting topic which is. to go already knows everything controls all the data. and other the american civil liberty union and coverage that facebook and twitter actually provide it user data to police to create surveillance programs and then the social media giants are saying no you know no way they're banning developers

from using the data for surveillance but i'm thinking using government and give up on opportunities like that. let's be clear it's not as if twitter or google is looking at your information or my information saying oh you know they're shopping today or they're doing something they shouldn't be doing the problem with google in particular is not that they're evil or not even that they're snooping their problem is their business model the problem is they give away their search engine for free and their space is smaller than requires them to essentially collect data which then they pass on to advertisers so the big debate today is business models i think i much prefer the business model of a company like apple which sells products and doesn't collect data so it's not companies that have bad what's bad a business models and the business model that i think has been a profound mistake in the internet and eventually will be recognized as

a mistake is the free model where we get services facebook google instagram for free and by using them they acquire our data and then sell. data to advertising that's the core of the surveilling this new what people are calling the surveillance economy and ultimately we're going to wake up to it and we're going to choose to pay for us services once again and protect our privacy. there is the topic of terrorism where she's very actual right now when you see a terrorist tweeting and calling upon jihad whew we i don't think anyone here i don't think anyone. or anyone else would say. that that should be i want to say aloud the question is first the whether or not you allow is not much you can do to stop it and it's pretty much allowed there twitting everybody really allowed i'm in a study not allowed to. license has one is less socially he's in a world where they can have a watch

a letter from medias but they can stumble out to post beheadings. you don't need to be allowed to post beheadings to recruit fresh people to go and fight for isis but i think what i need to twitter is made every effort to close down. isis or accounts that are supposed to recruit isis terrorists i think again the question is wrong here is the the issue is again business models and media take you true for example we know that there's. a lot of dreadful content on you true headings there seems to get through the filter the problem with you true business business model anyone's allowed to post anything and the business model of view to which makes it such a profitable company is not hiring a lot of adults is allowing everyone to post whatever they want and selling advertising around. the traditional media model is to cure rate is to create

gatekeepers have editors and professionals like you who will determine what will appear on it what we need is to convince and. perhaps legally require companies like twitter or facebook to hire editors to make sure that the content that's published on that network isn't offensive particularly when it comes to when it comes to terrorism in that sense you kill two birds with one stone on the one hand you can guarantee that the content isn't offensive and on the other hand you create a lot of new jobs in india too but aren't you walking in then the line there because i know already that there's legislative steps being taken to destroy this so-called dangerous contents were it content for example for facebook in israel. you don't see a potential abuse here i mean israeli army do as my post is dangerous but isn't that just an opinion. that's always true with free speech i mean this is been an ongoing

debate for hundreds of years who's to say what people can say for frey should you be allowed to insult people should you be allowed to. say things which offend other people that's an ongoing debate so this isn't new the problem again with social media is that a lot of content which everyone agrees shouldn't be allowed to be broadcast live beheadings for example is slipping through the cracks because of the business model of this media that doesn't have curators now facebook has responded in some ways so this is going to shoot debate about fake news huge debates about. unacceptable content and what zuckerberg eventually did in response was hire six thousand more editors that's the only way you solve this only having human being manually watch

a chick you have to look. if i. if i slapped you in this interview or i started taking off my clothes. or if i started chanting jihadist slogans this wouldn't appear on your network because you would decide that it's inappropriate the only reason this will appear on the network is because it passes through the filters you are decided that i might be an interesting person to interview the problem with the you true business model is anything can be put up by anybody and the more content that goes up the more money you choose makes because the more advertising they sell around the less people they have to hire and have to hire people are you then have to hire editors so what we need is more balance what we need a more human curators who can say look this is terrible there's no way that we're going to allow someone to put a live beheading up there's no way we're going to allow our network to become a recruiting tool for isis. you know iran and it can only be done internally i

think creating these heavy top down laws won't work it's got to come from within these companies exactly as i read in the guardian the internal plays of roles that i realize you ran that i just want to quote for my viewers it actually will allow users to laugh from a taps to harm themselves because it doesn't want to censor or punish people in distress or attempting suicide. yet why is that is because it's so creepy because they make money the more outrageous content when people you know where millions of people watch live lives suicides. and poor and zuckerberg has always been resistant to calling facebook a media company the reason for that is because when it becomes a media company then he has to hire curators then he has to essentially undermine his remarkable business model of create all this content without any

professionals that's why facebook's was so many hundreds of billions of dollars is because it's reinvented media it creates content. but there are having to pay and it's insecurities but ultimately that doesn't work because you get content which is profoundly offensive or evil or just being a corrupting and we have to deal with that and we are dealing with your increasingly seeing more and more of a debate about fake news you're seeing it in the e.u. with more and more legislation directed to punishing companies like facebook the stuff that gets through the filter so this stuff is being reserved because in europe of into the internet not the answer you not only talking about the editors that should be hired in the big companies but you're also saying that government should regulate these things more when that makes things worse though. if the government interfered into regulating now you're sounding like a silicon valley libertarian governments always have to be involved like it or not

governments have always been involved in what you can say or you can't. so i'm not saying that the guy i mean to raise the mayor talked about shutting the internet down that's a catastrophe i'm not in favor of the government heavy handedly stepping into the digital arena and banning facebook or banning twitter or not allowing kids to go online that's absurd that's a reaction a victorian reaction to to a very exciting new technology but i don't think it's unhealthy for governments to be concerned if this media is being used to recruit terrorists or this media is being used to celebrate paedophilia or celebrate live killings or suicides just as. the government needs to respond to those problems if they were happening in the analog media or in the real world it's a perfectly normal way for it's essential for governments to become involved

otherwise why have a government if they're not going to be involved in such disturbing issues then there's no reason to have government in the first place then you start falling. into this kind of libertarian new turpin ism which tends to be very strong on the west coast of america which says well we can manage ourselves we can police ourselves but clearly facebook and twitter come police themselves that's why we're having this conversation that's why the e.u. is getting involved it's why this debate is becoming increasingly important in the world today. thank you very much. thank you. be a. about

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