popped into my head elusive street artistry artful dodger give this person face to face interview to going underground lost some headlines claims and counterclaims in caracas and how the n.h.s. is privatizing that. all the civil coming of it today is going underground so the lives of hundreds of thousands of british children in jury britain are apparently under threat according to anti-poverty charity the trussell trust as u.k. children lose access to free school meals during the summer holidays years of blairite labor and tory austerity have been put into sharp relief in one of the richest countries in the world meanwhile record rises in homelessness have accompanied the transfer of wealth from social services to defacto taxpayer benefits for the city of london some believe that all it would have taken for engineer liberal leader jeremy corbyn to be prime minister of britain right now instead of theresa may propped up by a party linked to far right paramilitaries would have been of the lethal grenfell tower inferno had happened before and not after june's u.k.

general election joining me now is the founder of the big issue crossbenchers lord bird who is proposing the creation of a new body to curb the excesses of capitalism on bird welcome back to going underground so what's government's response to your proposal for a poverty prevention unit well when i spoke to her previous to the election just before a few days before she announced it. she liked the idea of looking at this how you could make all departments passed through the prism of how does this relate to prevention she like the idea of it are made the point to save or making it the most units never really car use so they're bureaucratic n.g.o.s here i mean that is one of those form filling in an order and we know damn well that every every government minister and their departments are told clearly a lot. you know chasing the greyhounds chasing the rabbit of their department and

then you know in the slightest bit interested in working across party and across government so you really got to get these people and bang their heads together that's why you need a unit when you as a crossbenchers work in the house of lords baronets busk d.w.b. undersecretary states and employment is at an all time high in rejecting your proposal it sounded to me like in the house of lords so poverty prevention unit at a time when we've never had it so good when it comes to employment. well it seems to be the what do you make of a response as a as the government well i you know you know people have to make responses you then have to move on and and do what i'm carrying on with the concept of what i'm calling a prevention alliance which is across both houses across all parties and i'm trying to get the government to turn that into

a unit so there is measurable and the heads are not together would you recall when people say and well john mcdonald also just previous to the deputy just previous to the elections said if you're going to see to raise or this is well before you know if you got to see teresa tell her that we are up for working in a nonpartisan way around dismantling poverty you see the the problem is about seventy percent of all the efforts the government of the both houses are round poverty and its effects so we're always dealing with this even if we're dealing with the environment we're dealing with all sorts of things i'm poverty is there all over the place so poverty is to every radical poverty we're almost talking about creating a day of small government a day of a small national health service a day of a vigorous education system only things if we dismantle poverty so john mcdonald

and tereza my and other people realize that the writing is on the wall we can't just keep trying to give the poor a little bit of a bit of better conditions my argument and it is maybe because i'm a marxist catholics on the bit weird there my argument is that we have these people who victims and we have these people call rescuers and they the never the twain shall me there's always a lot of people doing a lot of good for the victims but i know. never get them out of victim ship or even if it is a good that's that's arguable when one could say because surely the forces of capital have found a way to solve the situation i mean i know the shelter which runs well into a few personal problems of the greenville tower it's a director's skipping over that they're saying one million risk homelessness in the next two and a half years private renters at the moment but haven't the voices of capital.

social cleansing move all these people out of the big cities or the companies in or out then what happens is you move them all you move into something something like grand will happens and instead of having to spend say a pack a pound on a problem you have to spend a thousand and what's happened with grumble is it's alerted people to the fact that we have been getting increasingly we're moving further and further away from the concept of social housing and with that where we're allowing borrowers like kensington and chelsea who have a real problem their big problem is how does a posse borrow with a shed load of money on a log bridge people how can that how how can they relate to a very very poor part of the bar where you've got people who are destitute as anywhere else in the u.k. it's very very difficult who has learnt to you know see the pasha off and make sure they get all that they want you know paying their rates and at the same time help

people who are absolutely desperate it's almost like asking people to be schizophrenia you know the two opposites and that is why that is why we need we don't need to believing we can lean poverty to local authorities we have to have a almost a kind of minister of poverty a minister who looks after who runs of the poverty unit who runs the prevention unit and is in a in a way struggling to cope. find a balance all of this and bringing people into the fray rather than just leaving it to kensington chelsea or westminster westminster it's some of the poorest people this isn't tower hamlets this isn't you know this isn't you know south sheffield is a mill and i should say labor councils arguably do the same as the library. unisa paul you missed municipal socialism is as guilty as municipal conservatism in this

area the most revolutionary idea arguably you've come up with and i'm surprised that you know whether you thought you were going to get it through the private member's bill given the property is the bedrock of capitalism you wanted to treat private rent is the same way. young. people getting moved it is due yet there is only about the private member's bill because it seems pretty fundamental it's what happened to it and what is it it's a it's a private member's bill it's had its first reading it's number thirteen in the list certain it will at some stage get a second reading but that might take a year or two so i'm trying to just tell me what i'm trying to push it forward the idea is that what you do is if you got a mortgage tomorrow and a year later your credit rating would you're create rating would go up the more you pay your mortgage if if i am living in rented accommodation of been there for ten

years that the people who decide your credit rating say i'm sorry you're in rented accommodation so what you've got is you've got to go i mean it's them and asked over credit rating now the problem is if you've got a low credit rating that means you got to pay more for your credit whether it's bart getting into a mortgage whether aspiring white goods whether it's going on a holiday whether it's buying school uniform for the children so what's happens is you're paying more so the poorer you are the more you're paying because even though you're paying the rent and the council tax so what we're doing is we're saying no no no you've got to change it so the big issue invest which is a part of the big issue has over the last three years lifted quite you know i think in the region of over a million people working with experian good capitalist country company we working with them and we've helped to raise people's credit rating eighty percent of the people we work with so we're talking about over

a million people who are paying less for their credit which means to say that they're not being penalized simply because they are paying rent there whether any thing good could have come out of the original atrocity in kensington and chelsea i mean we talked about. increases in almost as i think the ninety seven percent down and terms of social housing says david cameron addresses may went to the government do you think the way they're reporting the aftermath of grandville the faces of mainstream media they actually look frightened as if they suddenly realise the kinds of issues you've been talking about for two three decades maybe. are or do are do think as a kind of bit of the writing on the wall i think we're all a bit cheesed off with the way that we're treating the poorest the most needy the way that any borrowers they always move their poor into the same area so for instance you could be bringing up your children you could be having a very very hard life you could be on

a minimum paid work it and they'll move you into social housing where you've got other people who are very very similar so in a way it kind of depresses everybody or i'm talking about and i've been advocating is that we don't need more social housing what we need is more social housing and sociable housing is where you and i and other people in our children and grandchildren wherever one of our we all mix in together so there isn't a gated community i think gated communities are a killer for the people who live in them because it turns them into zombies social zombies and it also turns pit it kind of is them and us so i i've been talking about social housing. rather than just social housing and that is where you mix it up it used to be mixed in other areas other times where i lived in a slummy part of notting hill after the second world war there were people who were there was slums here and then there were other people right now there's this kind

of cleansing notting hill is is a new kind of slum it's a really really posh. lot but thank you after the break art of vandalism we speak to the artful dodger about using spray paint to fight against police brutality tourism a and social cleansing and from the headlines will be finding out who is striking at the heart of the health service and taking a cheeky peek at some poverty pong ball the ball coming up about fear of going underground. for. in two thousand and sixteen the panama papers show the world with a tax haven the secrets two trillion united states dollars passed through most of conseco in the amount of time that we did then in the panama papers exposure that's what it shows

a lot of money it really is. journalism it's an act of journalism looking at things that people want to keep secret and asking why would they want to keep these things secret. millions of most fun psycho documents were examined. the all the people which basically have tried to get an advantage out of this sort of. newspaper. and probably other politician which was attacking other politicians the media would point to find their targets such as the kings of morocco and saudi arabia the president of argentina several prime ministers. and russian president vladimir putin of course. a car that had so i have sued so many newspapers for defamation some things don't just happen by chance it was very striking there were no more americans to go especially good

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welcome back with me now as broadcaster and former liberal democrat member of parliament member to pick them bit before we go on to your real newspaper stories i noticed a lot of interest in this country about the diana story in the daily mirror saying british police told me princess diana was murdered death quest dr is dead son was collateral damage implored what do you make of all this you see the documentary it continues to be the conspiracy theory of the day it's been going on for twenty years now frankly somebody saying i was told that princess diana was murdered isn't really proof is it i mean ok maybe maybe she was maybe she wasn't but on the balance of evidence is that the main thing you got to talk about she died it was tragic the princes of chad their hearts which is far more interesting let's get on with the news this is from global research yes global star says u.s. has budgeted forty nine million dollars for venezuelan right wing since two thousand and nine it's not that much here in the country club area of caracas maybe

maybe where you come from i think it's quite a lot because these are the people who are complaining about president maduro and suggesting that he's not up to the job you've probably seen in the western media a lot of complaints about madeira saying that it's corrupt saying that it's becoming a despot and the americans quite keen to stir it up none of this money is to help stability in venezuela is to help i was the person who's democratically elected just in this month but i mean is it all grossly that important to me corbin says for. is that we must condemn violence on both sides presumably a bit like apartheid south africa nelson mandela a violent terrorist you must get versus a violent apartheid racist government you should just be ever going to win are you really stretching it here cobain is being under fire because he won't condemn the democratically elected president of venezuela really i've been to venezuela there are lots of problems there but in reality copenhagen said anything wrong it's just

another chance to have a positive end because the people who don't like him don't like the fact he supports madeira oh and that's probably all of the americans and anybody else is too lazy to see what he's really done and at the same time if washington really wants to create another syria in venezuela i still live there actually hundreds of thousands dead in venezuela is that what washington wants it might be the price worth paying for far more oil reserves than even in iraq just put it out there ok meanwhile back here them mainstream media not as interested in this story as they are in venezuela for some reason there's going to morningstar this is about industrial unrest the more as morningstar says nurses scrap the wage cap all well strike the morning star claims probably correctly that there is a risk of having a strike as a result of the problems in the health service or aging the royal college of nurses and that's a fairly reliable source so you would say well money stars found to be trying to stir it up and on this occasion they are saying that john a davis is warning the

chancellor of the exchequer that if he doesn't pull its finger out and get decent wage rises to then it's as still going to go wrong this on top of the fact that the n.h.s. can't currently recruit enough nurses that's tied into brac set and probably to do with poor wages too and lots of problems brewing of course he alleges paid for by tax very hard at the rate that other countries some other countries do g four s. results today though four billion in revenues why don't these nurses who are on low pay get shares in g four s. who get the contracts despite being under a lesser. fo serious for diversification the same purpose a brilliant idea option let's not eat for four weeks and put all the money we save into the forest shares how to do next i didn't know jack shit before we go on to the next one i did notice this thing that someone was saying that they went to the n.h.s. for cancer care and was offered a leaflet on going private it's a little story it's a bit of a tragedy i suppose she's terminally ill i think school dolly show field and she

got a letter advertising private cancer care now i think it's been big up a little bit in the press but it is insensitive and the fear is just outside the gates of the national health service all spittles the private sector is waiting to catch cent and perhaps this is slightly incentive example of that private sector of two subsidised backed up by the taxpayer through different tax concessions and the problem of private partnership which will be paying for for years ahead but don't get me going on that we come back that's not the time let's go to the guardian an exciting competition that could solve all these problems instantly the guardian has uncovered this as if it wasn't tasteless enough already gets a house for free poverty porn at its most pernicious the man pictured here is called marco until innocent generous philanthropic with a very difficult upbringing he was poor himself what's interesting about this story is he's getting the poor the deserving poor to bid for a free house i'm not sure it's bit i mean it's

a channel full of bush the british t.v. station which is long been controversial and increasingly grids are they going to fight for this in a gladiatorial style way syrian refugee family a person with partially sighted it's not exactly a bloody mate is what you probably development is yes but the idea is he's actually quite empathic and said i'm still in the story of the actual program but apparently he comes across as quite a good guy but as you say execute the refugees if they don't get their house whatever you think it's a virtual execution of your home. then then largely cited personal ratings would go through the roof in that case but no they're not doing enough public perception no what public o.e. of greater faith than me the fact is that one of the families will win the house on the basis of whatever criteria marco's sets i just can't believe that they're going to have some of the poorest vulnerable people in society competing for a rich man's house could be done tastefully that's accepted might be done

tastefully it minds have a good social subtext but really what are we watching we're watching families competing to get out of at least one part of their poverty just maybe they'll be talking about the extremes of wealth and poverty and in that sense the millionaire a poor man come good maybe has something useful to say so i don't knock it until i've seen it but i don't like the idea even to can be just you know just three families that are made homeless is a statistic from a shelter in scotland so this is one family i think they get a place and that's only two made homeless so that's a better statistic that the current three made a mess every hour because of austerity policies that were going after all of the u.k. now to be one slightly less bad day that's the could it like them video pick thank you. forty six years ago today britain's tory government sent the army into catholic homes across the six

counties of northern ireland operation dimitrius conducted by m i five and the royal ulster constabulary would lead to thousands being forced from their homes and to mass and the catholic imprisonment without trial let alone torture as judged by the european court of human rights and today even as britain's to resume holds on to power thanks to a billion pound payment to a party linked to protestant paramilitaries the legacy of u.k. repression lingers and all across the island of ireland murals remain a testament to the martyrs who died at the hands of british secret police and soldiers those murals inspire the artful dodger a london street artist to use his pieces to speak out against social injustice today deputy editor sebastian baca went to speak to him in south london we have covered the artist's face to hide his identity. oh in politics of course when strange bedfellows i mean another of those people who say. celebrities who stay out

of politics or social issues but i think if you have a talent and you have intelligence to use it in a way which i would refer to be creative intelligence people would say that i'm taking sides but i don't see it that way i just think that the only side i'm taking is one of the tricks. for me as with a lot of people i suppose politics is a dirty word some of the social commentary. that kind of was

a seed was planted in the last eighty because. just. six i just on a world billboard i spray paint star which went up on billboards around the country and i had an x. small community submission and a gallery and nothing of. someone came down from a local newspaper you know he wrote about me. and of the end of it he kind of made a comment which was unexpected for me but i actually had a lot. where he talks about the plates collide and island and also the history collide and he says seventy's over him britain who's saying that you've got a new generation of young artist coming up who were obviously talented a lot of them but all they're doing is writing their name was such a waste my ego kind of took a slot once again. but i actually want to one i thought well actually. why am i complaining he's right and i began to think. if we look at it from another angle

a lot of people that appreciate my work at the time were young people as well as on the local community online and into housing estates stuff like that i think a sense of myself. how lucky the generation of artists who are producing something for young people and a style this time by young people want to use it while the news to a lot of why our names say something which young people who are concerned about a word about care about and we can actually use it as a way of speaking for ip is a no such unique and can the when appears on a wider level my two sons are into street rising. and i began to think that actually the not show where kind of light potentially politicians for the. not just what was going on in the media. the conservatives continued bumbling washhouse so to speak and saw the concepts of popped into my head so i did

a lot of various pieces using the thing that's going to be a topic which i'm going to continue using not. for sounds but i think in a way of getting people to actually look at what's happening in the world and especially british politics for instance president promises that he's making and i didn't about face the same old story and i think the british people should hang on to the same thing to be said like a talk with the podium not just the press press politicians impressment school lead is explaining why they did some things that make. comedy in this part of politics and over here i'm interested in because everything is interconnected i mean i'm getting a couple of pieces concerning the american election one of them unpacking was the son accounts of america mainly because a lot people say it was like a painting but it wasn't it was just a painting which was based on the simon gough phone call mrs robinson to. reference

joe dimaggio on iraq. and america because it was almost like saying america is in darkness stay need a hero they need light they need guidance so where have you gone you know this golden hero accounts in america you know the world needs you know say wasn't it on to trunk. piece it was basically one calling out saying that america needs heroes and the reality is they shouldn't keep looking to playschool leaders for that because trump is a bad candidate but then again so was clinton but i think if you look at how political history how she was in bed with cope. rationed and also why don't people actually look at the stuff which was released by wiki leaks about clinton in the clinton campaign if you really want to look at the truth he sort of can it does i mean forget what russia was saying was reportedly saying or doing i mean but i think it's funny how the media got the public to focus on just

a few things not all charm sent this time so i think the candidate as controversial as it may seem clinton was worse than trump. he said a lot of he's at a loss to get stuff but what she did was worth a war he said by all means necessary it's time to stop the hypocrisy of what you call vandalism. because your kind of frankness in this stuff i know that i'm talking like a foreigner the thought that i'm not asking for this and i'm just going out there and i'm painting stuff which are feelings important to people to think about because i'm up being paid to do it. the far off on my upright there's a lot no compromise because when you have a sponsor you are beholden to the sponsors when you do things off your own back this issue in the culture is what you have. and that said for one of your favorite shows of the season we'll be back with a whole new episode to going on the ground on wednesday the seventeenth of january

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