ironic to some extent idea because you are using value added crowdsourcing to fly against another form of malevolent crowdsourcing which spanned really is and maybe that's again another roky question but do you think crowdsourcing is a technology is it more of a minimal to positive pro-social applications or is it more likely to be or has more opportunities to be used in negative ways i mean everything knowledge is going to be used there are not going to leave the pens on what you use it for but i would say most of the applications that i have seen of processing have been very positive i mean you can think of wikipedia as a crowdsourcing effort there have been a lot of applications that are trying to find missing people or and there is a recapture of helping to digitize books i think most of the things have been pretty positive but like with everything i think it can be used for negatively but now both capture recapture and i think initially do a lingle was based on the new economic model it's essentially

a swap model which limits or eliminates the need for money as a transaction facilitator at least for the for the users of the platform not speaking about the inventor of the of the platform is that how sustainable is that do you think that. has any potential as far as e-commerce is concerned is it possible to eliminate money altogether as some people in this country once health i i don't know i don't think it's actually possible to eliminate money altogether but definitely on the internet you're seeing i mean this is not a new thing for the last five to ten years we have seen a lot of examples of people basically trading non-monetary value i mean a search engine like google for example gives you the entire thing for free and what you're exchanging is you're exchanging the data that you're giving them and also every now and then you click on an ad. so there's definitely a lot of non-monetary exchanges in the internet a lot of the economy of the internet is non-monetary exchanges ok well mr fernald

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else not to because i want to share what i think what i know about the beautiful game but great so will transfer. the case it's going to. going back to worlds apart at the very least on the c.e.o. and founder of dual lingo. the ultimate for form of crowdsourcing is democratic governance at least in theory and i think there are major issues in both developed and developing countries with how power and governance practiced and applied do you think technology can or will ever change the way our society is and not only organized by how they are governed i think it will it's very hard to say that will

happen but i think it will and i think it's starting to happen we're starting to see i mean we're starting to see a lot of very nice and efforts but we're starting to see people for example there are programs where people can report. problems in their neighborhood all with computers and eventually they get to the government so we're starting to see some of that. i don't know what the ultimate thing is but i'm sure if acknowledge i mean technology is already part of most of the things in the world i'm pretty sure it'll it'll get to the government i don't know if you would agree with me but i think at the root of bad governance is actually institutionalized inefficiency because there are many powerful corporate actors around the world who have a personal interest in keeping the system inefficient they essentially it's a church allies those inefficiencies. if you were asked to approach that algorithmically what would you start that's a great question i mean i myself was born in a country that has a very very terrible government i'm from guatemala the government and what about

this entirely incompetent i would say in a country like one of my probably would start by starting from scratch just study going from scratch when he trying to start from scratch you still have to start somewhere you know it's like starting a company a lot of times i think if you start with. you start with the main services that you want to provide in the case of a government i don't know the main services are probably health and education and you start with those and you get really good at that and then grow from there are you also pro need a really good tax collection service as you need to monetize you know as i was preparing for this interview i came across a very interesting poll about people's attitudes towards the replacing judge to minimize corruption and the influence of bias and it turns out that the stronger the country or system is the lower is the percentage of people who are in favor of that in russia or i see why the malo the majority of people would rather be judged by computer is the problem the question is technological not political gain a thing you can write an algorithm for something like the application of law i

think so yeah it's already it's already the case that there are computer programs that are giving advice in many legal issues better than lawyers i mean that's already happening this is not for all things but there are many cases where there are for example i.b.m. watson is being used to give legal advice then i saw a study that was starting to become more more accurate than legal and human lawyers advice for certain types of law so over time i think that i think that will happen over time well i think it all boils down to the same question your had to face bit captioned recapture whether some tasks. how to do what have to be done a completed by by the humans or better to be delegated to the computers and when it comes to the society can you really ride an algorithm or power of government because philosophically i think that's. very interesting i think yes i think i mean i i think it's only a matter of time i don't know how long but i think it's only

a matter of time that computers will be able to do everything that humans can now speaking about russia i mentioned before and i know that your community here has roughly six million years or so which frankly speaking is not that much but i heard that russia was the first country within the do a little family to deliberate a community generated language course that's how did it come about when we started doing ghost the courses that we had we talked spanish and we talk german those were generated by us inside the building a company. but at some point because we got we got asked for so many different languages we decided that it was better to allow different communities around the world to do create courses the first one was in fact the course to learn english for russian speakers and that was generated entirely by community members the way that came about i mean the we left when we opened up this program called the dual lingual language incubator which is where were new courses are created the russian the russian team was the first to apply. organized team war just the community of

users there they they are now an organized team but they didn't know each other they had different people apply to now the you know now they know each other and there's a clear there's a clear leader of the team and they organize it so initially it was a grassroots operation initially it was aggressive operation of people who applied who didn't even know each other they apply to us five different ones that were some of them lived in russia some of them lived in the united states but they were native russian speakers. and we put them together as a team and they have worked very well together well it's interesting you say that because in this country we often. they be a lot of sort of citizens' activity and the passivity on the part of the fraggle are what it is but it seems to me that what you're saying is that there is some extra exceptions to that yeah yeah and we're very happy i'm in the russian team house still to this day this was about four years ago that they created the course still to this day they're working on improving it so they lasted a long time now i know that though when you just launched

a lingo you relied on the crowdsourcing to source translations for various google pages and or other websites and i know that the international association of professional translators and interpreters was very unhappy with this and other kinds of efforts because they they were afraid. to lose their own livelihood do you have any sympathy for their argument because i know you stop sourcing the translations but do you think something like this will replace that professions yeah i mean i there are many tasks that there's a spectrum of tasks that are about how hard they are you know to do by computers some are already entirely done by computers they weren't done before for example i don't know one hundred years ago the first computers were actually. people who were hired to do you know additions or multiplications and they did that i mean there's

a whole story about how you know the space agencies had and tire rooms full of people doing additions and multiplications that's gone that is now done entirely by computers unfortunately i think translation is not yet there but it is one of the easier things to do by computers that will be gone in the next in the next twenty years most translators will probably be out of a job i mean i'm sorry for them but this will just happen this is inevitable i just want out of curiosity why did you then have to drop the service so we did not drop it because of their arguments we dropped it because for us we were when we when we started doing well the main thing we wanted to do was to chill and watch. the translation was a side business to try to monetize the teaching on which one of the chosen was for free and we the idea was that if people were learning a language some of them would be doing translation for us. at some point we realized that this is a lot because that's where the money came in a lot of our effort was being spent on translation and we didn't want to do that we

actually wanted to teach so we stopped doing that and we decided to come up with other business on a list that were more related to teaching rather than translation that's interesting now another profession that feel that pressure from the tech interpreter is like yourself is that of the driver i know that you used to be driving and perhaps still driving a tesla. how far do you. sell driving. cars very close i mean i think the thing that will take the longest is probably adoption as you know people have to buy their cars get rid of the old one so there's a whole cycle of that which may take ten to fifteen years but the technology is very very close so i think that will happen now tesla c.e.o. elon musk recent they generated a lot of publicity it with his warnings about artificial intelligence a lot of c.e.o.'s weighed in on that i also want to ask you whether you consider his warnings perhaps a form of alarmist marketing or did indeed share his concerns i think there are

a number of concerns i mean i think you may be a little a little alarmist but i there are a number of things i mean one of the biggest ones is over time more and more people are going to be left without a job and that's a big problem in a lot of our society they get meaning out of life from their job that's not going to happen anymore you know in the future and we need to figure out as a society how should we deal with that and i am you know i'm not too concerned about countries say like the united states because a lot of the artificial intelligence produced there so they're there deriving value i mean for example a company like google or a company like facebook is they're writing a lot of value for this which if they pay taxes to the government the government is going to have enough money to you know pay to everybody but poorer countries where they're not developing this technology they're going to be in trouble because a lot of times the economies for example an economy like my country were one of my life. our economy is based on cheap labor that's what our economy is based on and if cheap labor starts going away and we are also not deriving any

value out of artificial intelligence there's going to be a major problem so i do think i do think we need to think about that another concern i heard many analyst was with regards start to fishel intelligence is that . in a way it would be similar to. i government structural or some sort of a social order because sooner or later you will have to make ethical decisions about how to prioritize human lives and again is that the kind of for example if you're using a driverless car and it gets into an accident you have to prioritize let's say the life of what driver or the life over the life of the pedestrians is that another capture moment is that something that a computer can deliver a judgment on or is that something to be left to the to the society an individual decision making i think it's going to be done by computers and i'm glad that it's going to be done by computers because a lot of times. a lot of these decisions when they're done by humans they're not

fully thought out i mean a lot of times when you are driving as a human and you're faced with one of these decisions you usually do not have the time to think about all the implications yet in fact that there are lots of studies which show that people tend to prioritize that whole lives over the lives of even passengers well in most of the accidents people tend to go to the right side reaching dangerous the passenger gives priority to the driver so right i'm not just i mean a lot of times they just you know a lot of these this is i just think are not well thought out whereas i think if we were to put this in an algorithm at least we would be able to a society come together and say ok in this case what is the best thing that could happen but then the other is it fair to prioritize a society over an individual can consumer in such a way because when you buy something of value you buy it for yourself well that's that's exactly i think the question that we're going to have to deal with i mean what is that what is the right priority but what i'm saying is a good thing is that. we'll be able to make that decision as opposed to now where

you know the decision is just being made in this in a in a half a second at least if we put it into an algorithm we will come together and come up with a good answer for everything i mean it may not be there may not be a perfect answer but there will it will be one that we at least them a credit to agree on. now your answer is somewhat similar to the wand that was given by mark zuckerberg facebook c.e.o. who also suggested the theories of artificial intelligence was maybe a little bit exaggerated but he was immediately accused of not being able to come up with an algorithm that would. be growth of the so-called fake news and i want to ask you the last algorithmic question whether you believe it's possible to develop such an algorithm how would you define fake use in terms of you know writing a program to eliminate yeah that's very hard to that's a very hard question because. i mean if i knew the answer i would have done it already have you looked into have you thought about i have not thought much about

it i mean i i thought about it as much as a lot of kind of computer scientists have thought about it but not not specifically why would it be so difficult because it seems the fake news is a very commonly used term especially in the american the environment why is it so difficult to come up with a definition a technical definition for it well i mean maybe a definition is just news that is not true but the problem is truth is very hard to define. why so i mean even you know defining it as one thing finding it is just very hard i mean i can just say anything i want and because i have a lot of followers on facebook some people will believe that we are we are currently having that problem with the president of the united states who just this it seems whatever he wants and some people believe it and it's hard you know are you claiming that the new york times is failing if you look at the actual graph of the new york times revenue is in fact going up but as a good fraction of the population believes the new york times is failing just because he says that it's very hard this is it's very hard to change your feel for

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the headlines julie in the sun for mines in limbo despite despite being granted citizenship by ecuador british officials insist he will be arrested if he leaves the london embassy while the us talk of extradition. also become an undercover investigations just twitter is preventing users from seeing certain kinds of political content through a technique known as shadow badly and the top girls' school in britain decides it is time to stop labeling its people girls come with the full gender neutral policy we hear from some of the local. ridiculous i think girls are girls and boys of course there's too many pressures on pupils it's far too much attempt to move towards gender neutrality.

but i welcome you watching r.t. international this friday morning which just gone eight o'clock here in moscow now our top story for you this hour with colleagues founder julian assange has been granted citizenship by ecuador whose london embassy he's been living in since twenty twelve after he sought political asylum and although there is still widespread suspicion that the u.s. wants to extradite him washington officials would not be drawn on the speculation. put your doubts that it's granting that nationality we could leaks founder julian puts on just the president agree or disagree with this decision by the ecuadorians i haven't spoken to him about that we don't discuss whether we are considering bringing julian to songe to the united states for trial. well the u.k. and that could go have different ideas over what granting a song she does and she could actually chief ecuadorian officials say it does give

him an extra layer of protection towards finding a solution to let him leave the embassy britain says the only way to resolve the issue is to surrender to face justice reporting now from london his. unfortunately for julian assange continues to be quite complicated as this long winded saga continues if you remember the rumors were spread following him tweeting a picture of himself wearing a t. shirt with the ecuadorian national colors stirring lots and lots of rumors online and in the press about the possibility of him potentially having received ecuadorian citizenship the big question remains what happens in terms of the british officials reaction's who have been clear over and over again that if he does walk out of the embassy they would still arrest him because of him having breached his bail conditions at the time of when he initially went into the embassy obviously the biggest fear for julian assange continues to be possible extradition to the u.s.

where of course he is wanted for all the work that we can leaks have been doing in terms of exposing the actions of the american government we do know that ecuadorian officials have requested that britain allow for julian assange to have diplomatic immunity or diplomatic status and this has been a big no from the u.k. who said they're not going to go ahead with this kind of plan now we here at our team have spoken to the people in ecuador about what they think of his case. because he does need human rights support and i think that's what the government will give him there is also a health issue because we know he's close to the very. very many things that crossed my mind. when i sued a muslim in a level one of the first things to use a refugee policy and support. all of this of course despite the fact that the initial case carried out by sweden and. followed by sweden in terms of sexual allegations made against him has been dropped so the reaction there would be that

that would potentially open the gate for him to have more freedom ability in this whole case but that hasn't happened obviously of course we saw what he has such as the united nations see that his being holed up inside the ecuadorian embassy here in london could be seen as arbitrary detention so it certainly is a very complicated case of course that has been going on for years and years but it seems that this is a step forward so we're going to have to wait and see whether this particular latest step ends up leading anywhere well we did discuss further the options facing a songe with social justice campaigner george barda he thinks the political stakes for britain way legal concerns the basis on which the the u.k. authorities would arrest him apparently is for breaking bad conditions for the charges in terms of the case in sweden that has now been dropped. the maybe there will be an extradition attempt and various kind of international bodies have found when they looked into it the chance of getting a free and fair trial in the u.s.

of minimal with the robert miller investigation and the allegations about collusion between the trunk campaign and wiki leaks there's obviously. a sort of politicize ation element potentially around this case with bricks it looming in the u.k. obviously once. positive treatment from the u.s. as it leaves europe and in terms of potential trade deal you know so there are concerns of this will this will be treated politically rather than legally. now if you've ever felt that you are being ignored on twitter it could be down to the social network censuring you with your knowledge and undercover investigation by project very task has revealed there is a practice known as shadow banking. one. to

you from want to. thank you but you know what you should do. but i want to. know you know what's well according to project very tacit shadow ban hides the content of a particular user without knowing the user continues to post on the platform to their followers but the tweets wouldn't appear anywhere else on twitter people in the video who are said to be twitter employees playing these messages target right leaning content smear account as more. well the social media giant has presented itself as politically neutral but project veritas seems to revealed otherwise according to several employees who've been caught on camera twitter regulates its content by controlling what its users can see on their feet now one of twitter's policy managers says that the company is currently developing a system that down ranks controversial users and another employee says twitter is trying to ban a certain way of talking online so they're going to like it was initially the user

of the things that neighborhood looks to be very good. it's good to see them in the mindset of the way you talk to twitter can also apparently dig into its users profiles and conversation history to figure out their political leanings and then determine whether or not they should be banned and another issue that came up was julian assange just twitter account and the fact that it was deleted without explanation a couple weeks ago but an employee was asked about it and he did hint at one possible reason. why. we can't verify if these are real twitter employees are not and if they are they definitely could be lying but regardless the whole issue is definitely something to investigate further samir it will twitter did respond to the allegations saying it is committed to enforcing its own rules without bias and empowering every voice on the platform the group behind the revelations is

a mixed reputation critics say that project very task is getting information and infiltrating organizations under false pretenses and it's also been accused of failing to provide the unedited video of its bombshell interview while the group's founder james o'keefe is a conservative political activist and some say to you he has a strong political agenda himself but we spoke to russell verney he's the executive director of project veritas. well it is sharing information with very good. voluntarily i think i would think they would be overstepping however whenever you're ready as goes onto a website they agreed to the policies of that website and if you look through the per proxy policies of twitter it gives them the right to every bit of information you have opposed to you deleted and they have the right to sell that information given away so we're giving away article what to these companies when they come out

and publicly say they want to be the public forum for free speech yet they're censoring free speech they're slanting what free speech can or can't be heard and then there's a problem meanwhile the u.s. army is looking to buy software which can post messages on social media automatically the military says the system should be able to retain meaning and even the time of the posts it will be replying to online with more on this is kind of mocking. the ad was posted on the web site of government opportunities and it calls for people to work at the request of the u.s. army intelligence and security command and the task they're asking for would be the creation of software that can read social media posts and determine and distinguish the positive from the negative now they're looking for the software to go from there and create replies in the same tone as the original now the software actually

is requested to include a number of languages among them farsi korean and russian now this is quite interesting in light of the fact that all throughout media allegations have been made that in russia there are troll farms or armies of bots being deployed to influence the united states vs social media this allegation has been very widely circulated in the us press there's been talk about it in congress all kinds of allegations have been leveled about russia allegedly trying to influence the united states through social media but this advertisement talking about hiring someone at the request of intelligence in the united states it is simply piers as if the u.s. army is looking to do the very same thing that russia is accused of doing while the pentagon is still true to our requests for comment on this story but we did discuss the she with the n s a whistleblower william binney and also the film and my five agent i mean mashona.