mr polk a will eventually manage to close. obviously. short . will be very keen to be associated to any planning of such an operation from the very outset after all these been working in the area for years. also i think in a position to come to all the civilian assets to such an operation in german foreign minister. just earlier this month that germany together with france would promote this idea at the u.n. security council of which ukraine is not a member and i want to ask you as a former perhaps the current diplomat as well where do you think that deal on the u.n. mission should and would be hammered out is it among the ukrainian parties or principally among the international backers no i think the basically. is

nobody in decides. not needs to be a common understanding first by the side. of. that type of operation that. really clearly the need to. be part of that they need to. come out of this. exercise of narrowing the current now to emphasize is that it does not want to see any russian c.s.t. or c.i.s. troops among the peacekeepers and i think even in russia i mean some people would fully understand their reluctance to see the russians but do you think the idea of excluding all or most of the neighboring countries is sensible and consecutively. you chair a pretty large organization which of the members could be. i

think we're not there yet and i think it's also we all opt to do you always see it then to exclude or include specific. can do you know for an advice. i mean of course. this is very sensitive. politically what contributing countries to believe in chile offer troops there is no doubt about it. i think there has been tradition in un peacekeeping that states to have direct. conflict. or not should not be part of the true contribution. you shouldn't stick to the principle. like countries like kazakstan or even bellicose which hosted the agreements should they be considered as somebody who has

a stake in this conflict or somebody who has it and that spirit sees both that the russians and the ukraine. today i think it's off to decide to decide who they have confidence and. well mr graham and kerry have to take a very short break but we'll be back in just a few moments stay tuned. some animal rights activists are just upset that we meet period which makes no sense by the way because animals eat other animals and we're supposed to be equal with animals but suddenly they don't want humans eating other animals so in a sense they're saying that animals have the right to eat other animals but humans don't have a right to eat other animals even though they think we're all equal so so there's a logical inconsistency there.

welcome back to worlds apart thomas graham and secretary general of the organization for security and cooperation in europe mr graham and let's broaden our discussion a little bit i heard one official in moscow say that the next few years or to be precise your term will determine whether the becomes a more relevant international body or whether it seizes to exist altogether do you agree with such stark formulation. of course. huge expectations on my terms. not so sure that i.

would like. but of course i'm ambitious and i know it's extremely important to position this organization relevant for a lock and for common action on all relevant security issues in the. area and if not the organization will gradually become obsolete in that sense i agree the stakes are high i just want to seize on what you just said and i heard you say before that you are one build the always see into the relevant forum for security dialogue in the euro atlantic and eurasian space and that's an interesting formulation in and of itself because to many decision makers in the your atlantic community devalue concept of the eurasian space as a separate economic and geopolitical and to is offensive what exactly do you mean by the eurasian space that i think.

very much the formulation of. the summit declaration in two thousand and ten. that. is about the creation of a common security space in the your atlantic. area and if you look at some of the security challenges currently facing just look at. counter-terrorism . extremism the central asian states are extremely keen to get all we see expertise to use the o.e.c.d. as a platform for exchange. best practices to get the o.e.c.d. also to. encourage other participating states to cooperate mr graham and what i mean by my question is that i think there is absolutely no secret that many in the united states in particular see any efforts to deepen economic or security

integration among former soviet states as a sort of stepping stone towards the recreation of the soviet union in its geopolitical role this is what former u.s. secretary of state hillary clinton talked about in very disapproving terms this is what many people in the united states believe and for them in europe you know that conception of europe is whole free they would say at peace but in russia people with interpret as under the american heel and to many in the united states and in the west more generally russia is a spoiler that is trying to destroy this beautiful vision of europe haul free and on to the american influence can you tell me authoritatively that you have never came across that kind of formulation in your work as the. secretary general. i can assure you. office. you

see. participating states. in straight lines they want to enter the doubt necessarily. losing. out. on trading have you ever been accused of speaking like a russian foreign minister sergei lavrov because this is exactly what he would say . i'm trying to be impartial. offering you know you see some middle ground my sense is that this is being appreciate that by both sides by both sides by all sides it's of course more complicated it's more than just the east and. if you look at security narrative. in the stop of the last twenty years you see clearly different narratives you see

also. countries they have a different view a different security narrative. and i think we see. a platform that provides a space for dialogue. to all sides this is a very interesting question as far as the oyster core purpose is concerned because when they are going to zation was created during the cold war as the east last four on the trust between the sides was also very low but at that point of time the right to their own. worldview was recognised i wonder if in a certain way you are actually talking about taking the oil seed to its very own regions when this organization would be a forum for negotiating those fundamental viewpoint differences rather than being sort of a compliance clock for or and monitoring compliance club for one vision which is

the atlantic vision which i think was the case for this organization in the late one nine hundred ninety s. and early two thousand i think the half a set of principles and commitments. all produced states need to. stick to and deal we see is indeed to bend it comus to these principles in commitments monitoring platform. but the should definitely not not stop. there because. interestingly enough there is no. fundamental question of these principles and commitments but the obviously have to develop different understandings of what these principles mean. and again the complex. and. the crisis in around ukraine are case in point the need to build a unified. agenda where we can gradually build trust and confidence and then

point in time the maid and reach. a level of trust. to get back to these more fundamental issues but for the time being i think it's about incremental progress it's also very much about solving the crisis in and around your crane. before we can then address these more fundamental issues again mr gregory focused mostly on the issues involving russia so far but i think there are other countries like for example even some states within the e.u. that no longer want to be sort of folded into the west that have their own issues with the way western community interprets human rights democracy security or what have you and i'm sure you would say that that calls even for more dialogue but i

wonder how would you define dialogue at this point and would you would the current mode of communication within the always see bodies qualify as g.o.c. offer a different. deployment in council. this is of course very much also a public diplomacy form states are held accountable i think this is necessary but again it's not enough. i think do unique opportunity you always see offices there is lots of informal space for dialogue. again an example has been this structure style ok stop east on political military issues i think. there is a successful serious platform. very much appreciate it it's only been one year. in existence perhaps even less than that it was offered by

the germans just last year do you think it has really demonstrated any practical successes well if you look at for the time being it's a platform that is appreciate that that to decide ten percent of some capitals. by the ambassadors here and that under current circumstances i would rate as a success but you're right you're absolutely right at some point in time of course this platform will have to produce results but i think when you look at the discussions last year perceptions military risk reduction. there is now. this common understanding. of military capabilities that has started now it is ongoing it's an important endeavor

and i do hope that at some point in time this structure of dialogue could lead to very concrete military risk reduction measures will lead to. a new understanding of how to implement the current confidence and security building measures and. eventually and hopefully also. to. to revise the current set of confidence inscrutability measures let me squeeze one more question which is crucial for us you know that one area of tensions is the station of its media freedoms i'm sure you've heard. about the difficulties that the russian media experience in europe and the united states a number of american media organizations are facing restrictions in russia and i think at the core of all those disagreements is the notion that some media could be labeled as free and others could be labeled as wild propagandist like for example the channel that i represent the letter once the idea is that the letter once how

have to be outlawed and i think that's a very new thing a very new phenomenon we didn't have it during the cold war we didn't have countries like for example france or the united states actually putting forward legislative majerus to ban the. expression of opinion do you think the always see at this point of time realistically can has the capacity to influence how this whole thing unfolds are. essentially reduced to expressing your concern and regret . let me. start by. the how important freedom of expression freedom of speech is there are basic human rights fundamental pillars of any democratic society. as an institution. especially. media freedom and the ripper sent. to

freedom media this is missing. and he. has only expressed regret at certain violations of media freedom for example in latvia when russian journalists were for no apparent they were communicated phrase and sent out of the country but he didn't do much to rectify that he does a lot he has two sets of tools he has the tools of public diplomacy and has the tools of diplomacy i see both and i can assure you that he is very much engaged he's concerned about these issues and he verse on them very hard previously always see had to sort of preach to you former soviet states former communist states are states that were deemed to be violators of. press and media freedoms to sort of comply with the established norms but now we see one western country after

another the champions the champions of media freedoms to introduce measures that would limit those media freedoms. what's your reaction to that and do you think that process in itself could be stopped or alter it again coming back to the form of bodies of these are issues being. brought up in a permanent council see. but i think in a more systematic. it is always see institution. for a percentage on the freedom of. it. and that tries to shape decision making in respective participating states well this agreement or this is all we have time for i really appreciate your being on the show and to our viewers please keep the conversation going on our social media pages and i hope to see you again same place same time here on the well the part.

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after time she were going underground a century on from the day of the bolshevik revolution that would arguably save britain from hitler coming up on the show as britain's chancellor for the problem is no way to be seen for an emergency parliamentary question on the paradise papers should britain's head of state apologize for offshoring millions of pounds for aggressive tax avoid. as we speak to jeremy corvids u.k. labor party shadow emergencies minister chris williams and band we asked dorian being deputy chairman of the u.k. just a select committee john howell of minority government be to teresa mayes premiership is sustainable in the wake of what appears to be a new scandal every day there's new figures show alarming rises in u.k. food bank use award winning director sean baker an oscar nominated actor willem

dafoe on what the western economic crisis is doing to the children of the usa well the simple coming of it today is going underground but first this week marks one hundred years since a revolution without which arguably britain today would be in the hands of nazi descendants the rapid industrialization that took place after ten days shook the world and russia would ensure the defeat of hitler on the eastern front that enormous human cost and allowed britain's escape from being an outpost of the third rush but of course according to go marks the revolution was supposed to happen here in london not three and a half hours by east of this studio in moscow it's something you can detect in the work of no m. chomsky the soviet union called it socialism in order to gain whatever to benefit from the marl appeal that true socialism had among large parts of the general world population but this was about as remote from socialism as you can imagine so what about a socialist revolution in britain some marxist analyses require for conditions one

a split amongst ruling classes like say over fifty fifty if you like direct it to winning over the middle class say by catalyzing resentment over paradise papers tax dodging three instability over law enforcement say slashing police numbers by more than twenty thousand which has happened under the tories for increasing worker democracy arguably like that proposed for british boardrooms by u.k. prime minister to raise i'm a has self i was i've clarified today's meeting very clearly what workers representation on boards and workers on. boards are also advocated by u.k. labor leader jeremy corbyn so are the conditions right for a real revolution unlike russia nine hundred seventeen there's certainly class resentment over revelations from the so-called paradise papers detailing tax dodging by the rich the people will no doubt decide but joining me now is the british labor party's shadow emergencies minister chris williams and before we get to revolution the paradise paper is your reaction to these new revelations which is

a seriously injured people from the manchurian attack did not get medical help for an hour that's the may twenty second attack in manchester the grand concert well that's incredibly troubling and certainly merits further investigation as to why that happened i mean i can speculate i mean one of the reasons i think potentially could be the fact that the services all massively underfunded and i've seen substantial reductions in government investments and that's pled to a reduction in staffing and consequently right across the piece the budget services are struggling to actually cope with the pressures that being palmo i'm sure the government would deny the cuts had a big influence over the door all at once and they can deny the only do deny there is there isn't any any money and you guys have all the money is part of the problem the fact we don't have the money because of tax avoidance little like they were well it's very interesting i mean the figures suggest something in the order of a whopping seventy five billion pounds is avoided every single year in this country

there is literally trillions of pounds so i don't in the tax savings and you know that's why we're calling for a public inquiry that's why we've said that we want to see a range of different measures brought in including a register of those who have holdings in british dependencies and we've talked about introducing measures such as withholding tax to actually do you know took the tax source as it were to make sure the when companies or making profits in this country that they pay their dues as it were because they know they'd be. and if it's obviously from this economy they benefit from the infrastructure that's in place in this economy in the house to be paid for out of the public purse and by not paying their obligations in terms of the tax that they should be doing then clearly that's putting additional pressure public services or crying out for investment they or in a desperate state with. numbers of policing and adequate numbers of nurses weightiness going through the local government has been decimated social care in

absolute crisis no government should be the head to represent the interests of the many not the few but it seems to me this government and indeed successive governments it's got to be said over the last. four decades really have served the interests of the elites they've served the interests of the faceless corporations or they've served the interests of billionaires formal then they have the interests of people in scottish government removed say that it was worse under blairite and labor they have tried to tighten up some guy loopholes i mean should this was a question they would your leader as well should the queen apologize for offshoring tens of millions to avoid well i mean i think frankly the creek queen is a sideshow i mean ten million pounds yes i think she should apologize but let's not get too focused on the queen ten million pounds versus literally trillions of pounds and lord ashcroft involvement in this i mean moving we've called for for example georgia for its former tory chairman absolutely but given where things are

also calling for is for closer scrutiny of members of parliament and we do know that. members of parliament do have offshore accounts and you know frankly i'd like to follow the ecuadorian example where no public official is allowed to have any offshore accounts they had a referendum earlier the mother of the prime minister doesn't have a as well as i understand what do you make of the fact that her husband merges maybe twenty billion dollars in tax dodging companies like amazon and starbucks executive a capital group whether a clip clearly questions to to answer the survey for the promise to. you know the could be conflict of interest here obviously very close family member partner husband. you know. and his business dealings i think do need to come under the spotlight here. you know we need answers i think to these very serious questions of been raised now as a consequence of the revelations in these paradise papers it just goes on in fundamental to british capitalist society where the right wing blogger is saying john mcdonald had a chance for his tax filings show that fourteen thousand pounds was involved in

some pension in guernsey brazilian that doesn't mean javagal back in of course of. talk about clutching at straws that's a ludicrous attempt to smear and the fact is that john has no control over the way where the pension funds are nor does anyone well now but the point is really no bit well no we did but this is where we need. restrictions legislation and we talked about bringing that in but where you know complete you have control of these corporations they have control these billionaire only go to these elites they have control and they choose to hold their accounts in these tax havens many of which are british dependencies very briefly when you're in parliament the disgraced defense secretary went how long do you think to raise it is the beginning of the end there is a winner will have is the beginning of the end for this government because if they recently go she would just be replaced by another cardboard cutout who. you know subscribes to to this is a gang there it's the end well i mean i think it's got it's got the stench of decay

this government has to sure in theory they could last until twenty twenty two can't see the surviving that long as they are in a minority it has all the hallmarks of the john major government and so i think whenever the election comes or they're in a very deep trouble but we can't be complacent we've got to offer a genuine alternative to the system is this on offer at the moment when you know the wealthy the rich the corporations will benefit from you know i mean the end of the day these people are making so much money you can see the coal spend they just their wealth pots just grow. and grow and grow would be better if they were paying their way contributing to society contribution to the economy that would help the economy to grow it would help generate jobs and the benefit from that you know just seems to me a client of adoptive approach that they've taken because williams thank you. well we just heard from shadow emergencies minister chris williamson and he was quite clear the paradise papers could not only be the final nail in the coffin for

to resume but the entire party as well i'm joined now by the prime minister's trade on boy to nigeria conservative m.p. john how the odds it's as vice chairman of the conservative friends of israel john the expert coming on i mean we have minister is not declaring secret meetings with foreign governments we have people senior people of a ledge the endangered the lives of british subjects abroad is to resume finished no she's not finished and i think you've got to look at what each of those items individually to get the true picture of it there's no point in getting worked up and jumping on the on the back of them and i think will be totally wrong to say that either theresa may or this concerted government is finished you think it was wise of johnson to in a sense echo the iranian revolutionary guard corps allegation that the british subject was indeed a journalist some of the charity work well the thing you can't do is to hide things and and lie.