before we go into the iraq other issues surrounding this debacle or your only national security strategy committee what implications for defense of the realm given that karelian is in charge of certain facilities around britain's nuclear deterrent in scotland a naval base well the tentacles of cotillion seem to be everywhere the tarmac in the past a company that i was very we have a did a degree in civil engineering they built some of the floating docks. and they would undoubtedly be still be. delivering for the ministry of defense it's a concern in defense of it's a concern of the civil side as well primarily of course my my sympathies and understanding because foster to the workers and the employees who are losing their jobs who find themselves in a precarious situation is forty thousand affected indeed you know what's the management penalty here we see managers here on bonuses clawbacks been taken away. on their watch this has happened to this big company also question for the u.k.

government to full question if taken away their current auditor or the other current representative i should say who who kept an eye in companies quite closely in what closely with these companies that didn't happen also when the give the profits warning the u.k. government kept pushing money in the direction of clearly and which could only mean they were putting taxpayers' money at risk public money at risk whereas the scottish government at that point was trying to manage and move or we and being aware of the difficulty that could arise that no hazardous and because i was and i were prime minister whose corporate responsibilities zala top adviser on corporate sponsor will be up until recently was the person who then became chairman personal of caribbean village green here sure do you have the regular phone calls saying these are normal profit warnings you just cyclical nature of the economy nothing to do with the systemic existential threat to the got raises huge questions though about the relationship and the overlap and the coziness. that is an e.t.s.

between the highest levels of politics in the u.k. and the highest levels of some of the biggest companies in the u.k. delivering for the government and shooting the prime minister that all is fine when all was not fine and then we see the pieces line in front of us huge questions political questions have to be answered and what was the prime minister but she didn't do diligence that we should just take in a friend's word is everything will be fine let's have another jenin tonic is this going to act this way of putting lives over government yet again another version of it ok i want to get on to the philosophical implications of this as regards the economy but there will be people in this country wondering whether in your country wondering about what happens to the aberdeen western peripheral road what happens is that will scotland's railway electrification whatever to edinburgh's waverley platforms the capital of scotland's rail stations are in trouble because of really well having governments have to do the best for continuity here we have to make sure that services are delivered for the republican or bailing them out just follow

the other girl over the problem here with with companies like this is the privatisation of profit and the socialization of loss when clearly and we're making the money and the money's gone in bonuses the money is gone and she had all the dividends but when the problem comes the problem is socialism it's the same with the banks it's the same with many other things we did near liberal experiment is just about falling apart i don't i don't it is the the we have delivering public contracts while you take short term profits i knew have new view and responsibility in a way i would along the medium to longer term has to be of concern and i think there is this penny has dropped both from the conservative and liberal benches in the house of commons that there is adriel problem with that we companies look very short term and companies i've known have gone on the stock market told us sometimes have got themselves off it quite quickly again the betting i think we did drop with jeremy corbett all his political. even the few of his supporters the bottom of the

labor party are any pennies going to drop for the scottish government because you're saying you're giving these commitments is london already talking with the scottish pollens saying they're going to give you the money to continue these projects is massively important structural i mean i think i think first about where we want to make sure that those working on the u.k. government projects in scotland find themselves and in a secure position the u.k. government works night indeed to make sure that these jobs continue when we have problems in scotland where with by far been talent and influence the u.k. the scottish government what ninety one with motherwell we did what we did to bring them in it to keep jobs so it's beholden on the u.k. government this is a beer mouth created by the u.k. government in many ways and that we defend the taxation comes from all taxpayers they're not anti to college and i think you know the u.k. government is a huge role to play here we obviously have certain contacts we have to keep going we can't leave we have really station for instance as a building site in perpetuity because situation is that i mean that one of your

ideas companies have at the end of the day they have the public over the battle because this has to be done and we all know what has to be done and if they go bust and they work with the bonuses and the profits or whatever we've still got to go and pick up the pieces and that's right also with this privatizing that the privatizing fetish that's been driven pushed the thought through the bleriot in london what has that given bracks it means the shin fein has become a very important party to the government obviously the g.o.p. is very good important because they would be prime minister without well where is scotland when it comes to negotiating monies off of back for through karelian and other things because you know even on the border shin fein and the d.p. can talk about talking face to face they're down here talking and solid thing i think the point there that should in fairness abstentions nationalists don't have the clout that they might do for the voters of nova not only uncertain irish nationalism. it is important though is it never has been before

a group. of unionism most of the u.k. unionism is that was you know that that voice could be diminished in favor of the european union the single market had the northern irish people voted for participation nationalists as opposed abstention nationals that's a matter for them but it's just a point it's worth observing that they've left the field open in the absence of any government in northern ireland they've left the field open to the black city or the representatives of northern ireland which are the unionist politicians at the moment on the are going to have a softball or so everyone seems to say we're as you are going to have a hard border whatever i'm not saying as and we should have a violin are we as a citizen isn't there something in the we are giving you have a weak position here not at all because. if there is a soft border with ireland that is a soft border with scotland why would the u.k. government who the u.k. government over to resumes to me seeing what these i mean will have to do are two different things that is becoming clearer and clearer in the backs of negotiations if you have a look at northern ireland they have exceeded every demand of the e.u.

border on the island of ireland remember it's the e.u. border. me when she has with one member so that with everybody else because the most favored nation status is the deputy you would mean that you've got to treat everybody else if you can the other so that's just utter nonsense to talk about scott on the talk about scotland as third its main export market is in england another sort of the public of ireland's main export market is england as well you don't have to see the government to trade what leaders want whatever is what you what you do how well i think when we have our independence referendum in the next fifteen months i'll be given all the leverage we need and we have forty nine percent just now and you can only get fifty one percent by implication the e.u. sixty eight percent support in scotland the e.u. is far more popular in scotland than the u.k. that's very damning for the status quo on the governance and the government in london is that just probably the reasons why we got the likes of the bad government of london that's. feed into that political picture and give you everything was

spoken about has been in the context of the failure of lehman brothers in twenty zero eight and of course the failure of r.b.s. the massive bank was bailed out by the british taxpayer tell me about what you've been talking about in parliament lately about the. quite controversial very controversial take the scotland out of the upset or else i'll be as want to cause an awful lot of but i'm just a little scotland will damage the economy of little scotland hugely they've made no impact assessment no what he new concern it's just something that at a much more board level they've decided to do for instance my own small island they want to take away the last bank the only bank that's ever been it and they want to take it away which means people would have a decent travel to go banking elsewhere. and for some sort of context the bonus part of r.b.s. a sixteen and a half million pounds this year would pay for two hundred sixty six years of salary at my local branch so we've seen corporate greed buccaneering devil me kid attitude

to society around them just for their own personal enrichment and you know when you think in broadcasting at the moment of the surprise of rush today of course but there's an argument about gender but gender pay a one to one ratio which end of pay that other all levels men and women get paid to see a bigger question here the more good place to get at the bigger question though becomes the ratio between the top level at r.b.s. and their bonuses and all these types of companies on the bottom level because the rishi was there new obscene it obscene and you know that there's some sort of revolution but after that have to take place well if you have any when they leave you to take in take scotland out of the absolutely i mean they are going to close the branch as well as i. said in parliament they call themselves the royal bank of scotland while while throwing scotland to one side through scotland's economy to one side not giving a damn frankly for them to continue the r.b.s. to continue to use the name scotland this should be seen as it's almost criminal you know with a lot of your palace to fill in there with the queen could take the roy. out of it

well that might be my next step they would just be called a bank and they might be dodgy to close down all the branches. have something to say. i want them to come on the big bonuses you're meeting with them they've offered me meetings at the videos levels but i want them to come the chief executive this fantastic was good he can come and talk to an island. and explain why it's a good idea to close the branch in the area around his bonus alone remember the whole lot of them is to them sixty six years on his bonus alone would pay for about sixty years of the salary so you know if the financial whiz kid we're told he is. i'd like to see come along and talk the islanders and explain it because these are the princes of the of the modern new liberal experiment let them come and tell the people male thank you thank you for the bright why have the song. of the history books. read international in black caribbean. about the continued

fight against. being waged today by the world's working classes from the headlines . the war in iraq the war on child poverty. going on the. housing. artificially low mortgage rates. that's cause a report. the risk of being shot wounded taken prisoner. poisoned by our own people. or a biological and chemical product. the said do not truck tires all types of

styrofoam polystyrene batteries trucks there was a complete denial i think at all levels of government that there was any connection between burn pits and what these brave soldiers were suffering from to compensate every soldier marine airman and sailor that was on the ground that are complaining about the onus is from exposure from the burn pits would really literally sound to be a gross and they don't want to pay it so the waiting decades a lot of those soldiers will die in time and they won't have to pay. for health and get the middle finger so they'll be using models are. delayed and i hope he does. well come back with me to go through some of the stories now he spoke us of a liberal democrat member of parliament lembit god speech last night fascinating

but did you make any money out of shorting karelian this government contract or as so many of the city of london did for getting in for a moment the tens of thousands of jobs at risk now i've got all my money on the two a bet between kim jong and donald trump on the news after and got news you think jim jones is going to take over let's go to this oxford professor danny dorling. very informed danny dorling he says on martin luther king day trying to maintain child poverty rates still rising in the usa and the u.k. but it is getting born eighty nine years ago this week and a hero in history but what golding says is he would be hated today because his legacy is being pretty much thrown out the window poverty as a twenty five percent in america and that's the highest for child poverty anywhere in the developed world but hold on a sec we can crow about it from the u.k. because it looks like within two year as we're going to overtake that's up to thirty percent if you include home assessors and benefits if you. appalling but the

government for at least one tory council has a solution to all of this let's go to the metro surely a solution to the awful terrible problem fear not and this is brilliant from gloucester council which is about a two hundred miles west of london tory council puts a poster telling people not to give money to the homeless it's beautiful any well spent well it would be badly spent if you give it to the homeless the poster says are you really helping homeless people well i think the answer is yes but apparently not in the council's eyes there is a sort of subtext to this which arguably makes sense you give it to organize charities and then they give the money in a measured way but come on these people are hardly raking it in they haven't got private jets they're apparently some of them and i quote the story in accommodation receiving support and benefits of every human beings having their little also i think that the c.e.o.'s of britain's biggest charities need those salaries in excess of hundreds of thousands of pounds so you're also hurting them when you give

that money but again surely outside all of this debate is the government should be building or houses i'm not supporting saddam hussein when i say there was a better housing situation in iraq with before the twentieth reward which is when the new york i think you are about suicide bombings in baghdad puncture you found hope now where did the new found new york times hope i think it might be right what two dozen people killed in the bus or two suicide bombers killed more than twenty four people in baghdad we don't see this in the western media very much it's boring it's old news and it's not our boys and girls who are dying there it's just the locals and we did quite a lot of that ourselves but if you look at what's really going on there there's no kind of peace there we've lost our boys over there because i want to glee the british defacto support for ice is linked in the al-qaeda linked groups in syria the failed attempt to destroy the president government in all retreating into iraq although that doesn't count on it. british they're not they're all volunteers are

not officially working for us well within the past twenty four hours or so the p.l.o. has suspended recognition of a state of israel which was the big oslo decision until israel abides by the un security council resolutions are regarding nine hundred sixty seven borders what this story from haaretz which looks pretty gloomy to me gloomy economics news on top of the other unrest says gaza an economy infrastructure on verge of collapse israeli security officials say well they should know because in large part they're causing it it looks like and i quote again official the gaza strip is going like from zero to below zero in short the infrastructure is failing ninety five percent of the water there isn't drinkable and the sewage is being pumped straight into the mediterranean and the reason the israelis should be concerned about this is because if you take everything away from a group they've got nothing to lose and this could literally blow up right back in their faces second thing in a story there's an increase in infection and potential epidemic levels of disease

there and those germs they don't respect borders they're not going to be kept out of israel by a war this is the classic example of cutting your own nose off to spite your face and they've been bombing. palestine in the bust forty eight seventy two hours the biggest open air prison camp in the world today there's some good news that they've got six or seven hours of electricity now for say have to buy from you guessed it israel and some type of internet in the west where a number of big thank you. well from a post from gaza are on the verge of collapse of the revolutionary nations labeled by the us president joining me now from new jersey in the usa is professor of history at essex county college and u.s. army veteran margaret stephens whose new book red international and black caribbean is out now professor margaret even thank you so much for joining us just before we go to the amazing book that you've written your thoughts on the fact that in the past seventy two. maybe in iraq double suicide bombers killed perhaps scores of

people in baghdad so many so many years after the invasion when we should place when you were in the us army and i think it speaks to the way in which western imperialism. has not only imploded in the middle east but the ways in which the working class resistance movements of the past one hundred years failed to generate the kind of internationalism and solidarity necessary for workers to figure out what the viable methods of resistance need to be would you say that your new book describes the wholesale destruction of work in gaza movement which in a way explains why donald trump arguably is right to call nations in the western hemisphere. now the book is more about a heroic history than a tragic demise with respect to donald trump his remarks about people of color

nations primarily in africa and the caribbean as being nations sure this is a sentiment that's that had a manic i mean i mean he i mean he took the example of haiti and so many of the nations in your book could be arguably seen a central but haiti did you ever start seeing the irony that hillary clinton was i'd rather take it for the democrats saying two hundred thousand were killed in the twenty ten earthquake i mean i was in haiti in two thousand and ten after the earthquake. carrying on a legacy of some of what it is that my book is about which is the relationship between radicals organizing between new york in the caribbean and so in the end you know an aftermath of the earthquake i went out there with some of my activist friends and we try to we tried to start a school and also we had a little medical facility for a lot of folks who just needed basic medical care. and you see poverty absolutely

you see poverty everywhere across the entire country i traveled the country was some of my friends and you also see a higher level of working class consciousness that i never saw in united states you go to haiti and you talk and you have conversations with people in various towns and communities and import a print about politics about dialectical materialism and how to understand the world you know scientifically and looking at people and social movements you know through to the notions of contradiction in you know these young people anywhere from twelve to thirty five and their next question is you know what's next ok so what do we do there that higher level of consciousness and just. human activity the energy many eighty just from five in the morning till till you know eleven at night you feel the human energy people are alive even though they're poor. so absolutely you can see the ways in which the economy in haiti is continues to suffer you know since independence to be honest with you from you know colonialism neocolonialism

corruption which is oh it's a manifestation of the lack of resources in the global capitalist scheme of things you definitely see that but you also see the potential for working class struggle in haiti in a way that's definitely much more. proximate then in places like here in newark new jersey where and obviously we're not going to get time to talk about those initial stages a revolution auditors or louvered or but in the book again and again it's the russian revolution and it's. conjectural influence on all the movement seemingly just tell me a little bit about i mean people in britain that alone knowing what the people of the youngsters in port-au prince know about i don't going to know anything about what you found in british guiana moskos support for workers in british here what about what is that the bullshit revolution in one nine hundred seventeen had a huge impact on workers all over the world and my focus specifically on jamaica

cuba haiti british guy trinidad. mexico we can't forget mexico mexico plays a pretty critical part in this book my focus on the in puerto rico my focus on the way in which the communist movement. based out of russia then impacted workers all over the world in and you had folks like well for domingo who was a jim aikin migrant to the united states who talked about bolshevism in guyana when he looked at workers in one thousand nine hundred who were just in an uproar across the caribbean and you just ask questions in his magazine in the newspaper that he created you know is there bolshevism in the caribbean and i think that when we began to just understand the complexity of the ways in which working workers running society really really seeped into the minds of so many people in their imaginary their concept of what was possible with their life activity it just

gives us a much broader richer and more exciting cast of characters to draw from when we began to think about the history of radicalism black radicalism anti-colonialism we just have such a rich diverse set of figures and to me the most successful ones were rooted in communist party leadership not always the communists were always in the forefront sometimes workers in the caribbean were in the forefront and communist sort of had to look up and say wow you know let's write a memo on that because that was huge and we need to follow their lead so it wasn't a sort of one. a trajectory from moscow to the caribbean it was a constant back and forth and the back and forth that i look at is not so much between moscow to myself between new york mexico and then what i call the black caribbean although london has an influence there i know you're talking about owning again. and about the influence of newspapers. those a little bit about oil as well mosley of course was then supported by the daily mail newspaper here in london that the that he opened

a chapter of his fascist movement in trinidad to oppose communism where we tend to look at fascism in western metropole whether you know germany or france or now everyone's talking about trump in the u.s. but part of the point i was making with mostly was simply that fascism also in the caribbean was in my opinion almost constant and like fascism was colonialism in essence was a sort of form of fascism is part of the argument i'm making so that's part of what i was trying to do with the book was look at the way fascism hit. the dominican republic on it you heal in the impact that it had on on haitian workers in dominican workers and also the ways in which communist resisted but then also failed to mount a deeply internationalist anti-racist fight against some of the fascism when it was at its worst point because people are going to know more about taking all the days for the rich and famous in barbadoes than britain brutally putting down any kind of

revolutionary activity on that i would hire one of the questions i have in the book that i pose is why is it that there are communist parties founded in the period one thousand nine hundred one nine hundred thirty nine in haiti cuba puerto rico but not in the british west indies the british government was banning not only the negro world but even more severely all the communist presses that i saw coming from new york as early as one nine hundred twenty they were banning them they were running down people's houses doing home raids so if you had the crusader. or the emancipator in your house in one nine hundred twenty you know when you were just a blackwork or you know or you wanted to start a co-op you could very easily end up you know in jail so the british ruling class was extremely serious about censoring any communist influence in the caribbean and that sort of one thousand nine hundred revolutionary working class turmoil the

british really looked up and did everything they could to prevent the circulation of these materials on steamboats coming from germany and london and making its way to the caribbean we know that cuba or is perhaps the only nation that is survived across the across all this a period of time that that you talk about tragic that we know more about these countries really is tax avoidance and tax evasion yeah right so all those places where you know were people like to stash their wealth i mean panama you're talking about the panama canal how with the panama canal built black workers were brought from across the west indies to to work into slave in the panama canal. so in these places where you have the sharpest evidence of corruption and wealth and the sickness of capitalism and colonialism you also have workers who resisted against that and sell i was simply trying to look at the richness of that history what was back to workers of color in the caribbean present obviously vince thank

you. thank you and that's it for office show the new season will be back on saturday when we do scramble today's your good bye mrs questions but here we call in challenge to raise amazing minority government on its multi-billion pound failure to protect public services until then people like us by social media will see also have a twenty two years to the day if yasser arafat won eighty eight percent of the vote in palestine's first elections conducted as he faced a defacto assassination threat from british and u.s. backed israeli agents. young children who worked in bolivia for generations almost three quarters of a million doing so today. this culture led to the development of bolivia's new

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