are doing what the doctors told us to do you know we were being responsible and what the real side effects. this was completely alter what i did because of a cocktail of legal drugs. just because some things legal doesn't mean it's saying. hello and welcome to cross talk we're all things considered i'm peter lavelle are the mainstream media intentionally gaslighting the public against president donald trump the reverse appears to be equally true trump does with style gas like the media what kind of body politic is this creating has the us become a collection of hysterical drama queens.

cross talking gaslighting i'm joined by my guest reverend jesse lee peterson in los angeles he is a counselor activist media commentator as well as author of the antidote healing america from the poison of hate blame and victimhood also in los angeles we have ron paul call and he is a comedian and a frequent guest on the jimmy door show and the young turks as well as host of his own streaming program get your news on with ron and in new york we cross to rob how he's a political pundit and journalist contributing to the huffington post all right gentlemen cross in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want i always appreciate ron let me go to you i mean who is gaslighting home here and is it a country that's her it's just turned into a a bunch of drama queens because from a distance from my vantage point my perch it's a lot of drama. queens out there not saying anything worth much listening to go

ahead ron yeah you know i'm with here's the thing the media was in bad shape the corporate media in the united states was in very bad shape long before trump came along and they're still in very bad shape now the way the media really gaslights the public is they try to make it out like everything was just hunky dory and we had this this perfectly functioning democracy where everybody was happy and then all of the sudden trump came along and disrupted everything well well in fact that's not true you know i mean if if trump is frankenstein the media is very much victor. and you know this constant amplification and trump pretty much all of his policies are just general republican policies and i dislike these policies i strongly dislike trump but you know i'm not going to sit here and entertain this idea that he's some big outlier when in fact he's kind of the result of the system

we have an excellent point there rob weighed in on that because i think that's absolutely true here what we're doing is we're always getting these exaggerated reactions to everything that is said i mean like the. episode oh wow that took you know what two new cycles here i mean i don't really care about that language and if a country isn't it why is it and did the u.s. have a play in it ok those that's an interesting policy to talk about not about some callous vocabulary go ahead rob well i've been around for a while and my father worked in the johnson white house and had his first meeting with the president when the president was sitting on the toilet so. i learned a lot up pretty jaded and you and i were talking prior to the show and i brought up a line which all power phrase from broadcast news when albert brooks says you know what that word trouble in the news when we become more important than the story. i

feel they're beating the story to death enough already and he said it he's going to say other oafish boorish stupid things but well i'm glad i'm doing this show with you today because i want to talk about i've been dying to talk about for a week now that it's not like trump has so much created this environment you're right about the victor frankenstein the we've helped create him but it's just i think the future unfortunately of politics is going to be based on social media and those kind of what forms i don't even know if we're going to go back to the bipartisanship we once had it's become emotional it's become ideological and it's become instantaneous with people putting their thumbs on their phones and everywhere be members of the press or or part of the kitchen cabinet or the president of the united states you know jesse in los angeles i mean i this is a very good point i'm going to take you to both points from what we heard from iran and here i mean if it if it's really all about trump then it's all about jake

tapper it's also about rachel maddow it's about chris cuomo that if this is of equal measure here personally i find all of it quite toxic because there are a lot of problems to solve in the u.s. and around the world i could care less what jake tapper thinks about anything to be honest with you ok go ahead jesse go ahead. you know president trauma i call him a great white hope he will go down in history as the best president and he's one of them for sure about the best president that just country has ever experienced the president by telling the true been straightforward and putting country first and assess both and the children of the lie and the children of a lot of liberals the liberal media the democrats the right all republicans and it never tropper us the b.s. both they never had

a plan or any intent to make america great again and we didn't know what i we knew was bad most of us knew it was bad but we didn't know how bad it was until this president came along and i spose what was really going on and now these people the light roaches they are running from the light because it behind into darkness for so long and the president is shining the light on them and they are running nuts with the president if he said this they are about haiti and and el salvador and africa mr truro if you look at those country there are those and just now to complain about it why not face the problem why not pretend why you pretend then that the problem doesn't exist and that's what the liberals and democrats haven't gone they don't want to solve the problem they want their people brainwashed dumb dow and demoralise look at black americans was up are not all in

or not all but most black americans are brainwashed dumbed down and demoralized and they have been kept that way since lyndon b. johnson was last forty to fifty years and so they have told black americans that you can't make an america the greatest country on this out of heaven about the way they have told them you can't make it because of racism now we find out that racism never existent is allowed as when you. well the children well in order to control what i was born on the plantation where we find all we've ordered out of plantation what we've found out recently is there's only one racist in the world and he lives in the white house again this is nonsense i mean you know we can go partisan here or not it's funny i mean it tells me the democrats don't have anything to say liberals don't have anything to say i mean he was first he was a russian agent now he's a racist ok what are they going to try next i don't know ron one of the fascinating things about gaslighting is it is much is the media hate trump and trump hates the

media it's a symbiotic relationship they need each other it's like they're both balls of fire and the other is oxygen and this is what drives me nuts because it's not pushing forward an agenda for people that are it genuinely need help and the u.s. is in dire straits now and we're not getting policy fixes you know trump is on this it's a great presidency that the greatest year of any told nonsense not much has happened ok and this is dreadful go ahead ron yeah i mean i totally agree with you and you know i certainly do not think that trump is a great president and all but one thing that's happening is i think people are waking up to you know just a system where you know you have one side you have the democrats that pretty much give you nothing to vote for and then you have the republicans that give people something to vote against and i think people are waking up to this in the media

which has an incentive to uphold the status quo because they're benefiting from it you know they make it out i know you know. keep going ron. hubbard and i don't. know a lot of italians will. no not if you have it has built up pretty much how it has a lot of. gentlemen that how hero on percents least that's not how the one hand i'm going on in the one field and i don't know don't talk over each other to go about it work. yes i mean i'm going back to work black america's going back to war. and they'll get it bonuses the jobs are now opened up again and your business has started up again so rotten is not be an option is the president has cut back on the regulation we are safer now under this president and his precious thing is the father must die and the worst president that this country has ever disappears

robock obama me he is going down and look at the minute it was jesse hundred ten saying let me jump in here rather than to say a great again hang on let me jump in and robert let me go to rob before we go to the break here i think one of the interesting things that i find very curious here is that it's hard to tell what is truly happening because if you just go into these echo chambers it's all bad or it's all good and i don't believe either one of them go ahead rob well i'm a political centrist. a left leaning political centrist and as you have said to me your right leaning political centrist peter and we need more of that that's what this country is based on bipartisanship and dealmaking i think a big problem we're having here with looking at anything that the trumpet ministration has accomplished or not accomplished is he can't keep his mouth shut and his fingers off those tweets because somebody says it needs to he and i and

this was a commentator who doesn't care for him to let me finish please jesse if trump just remained silent and did not and did not make the stupid comments that he made he probably have a much higher rating right now in popularity with the country with. it's a lot of people but he can't seem to control himself would he not in his kind of motion all according to the child ok jesse twenty second would you not be honest about what you not be an artist about if the president wasn't tweeted if he was a beacon up we would know to what you do or because the liberal media hate media hate him so much they are not talking about his those thousands because they know want you to know the empat he's having on his conjugate gentlemen ha's and i jump in yeah they need him so much they need to go away and we're going to go down a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on gaslighting stay with our to.

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idea that might take off that might be a new like starbucks like third place that people go to to have an experience that might work. welcome back to crossfire we're all things are considered on peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing gaslighting. ok let me go back to ron in laos and you know i don't really learn much from the news ok at all ok and then that goes for c.n.n. m s n b c fox ok i love the jimmy door she goes to i love the jimmy door show i learned a lot from you guys but you know what i do learn from the mainstream media as i learn these words like trigger and micro aggression and i always find it so curious ok because trump is the cues to being

a trigger for this sort of trigger for that but it seems to be the mainstream media is just one huge trigger that goes off once in a while and we go through an entire cycle of people crying and beating their fist and beating their chests and you know how can this happen to our country who is i mean it i just find you know what are they all auditioning for something because i just find it you know where's the new and then i try to change the channel. it's the same thing on the next channel just a different face i mean what is this what corporate culture has gotten down to i mean is it getting to the point what's the oldest man that can cry the loudest now on public airwaves ok this is what it's gone down to me i mean if you should turn to the cartoon channel at least you'll feel better go ahead ron. yeah i mean well the corporate media in the united states you know it's very much own by corporate interests you know i mean m s n b c for instance is owned by comcast so i mean

right away you just have conflict of interest want to one and the fact that they are just so profit driven you know they they tend to focus on hyperbole and sensationalism instead of really objectively packing unpacking what's going on in the country and if they were to do that they would find out that the status quo is really broken and we need to make some sharp turns in regards to policy so they don't really want to do that instead it's more fun to focus on you know instances of of sensationalism you know i mean you brought up the s. whole example for instance you know that was talked about for you know a couple news cycles and ongoing meanwhile you know all the people that are supposed to be quote unquote resisting trump voted for a pfizer bill that pretty much it's dens the ability of any president to to to pursue surveillance they also didn't push back on the whole idea for the wall

nobody talked about the fact that dhaka didn't move forward because of this wall idea which i think is an awful idea most americans don't want i think it's a racist idea we don't even know how much it's going to cost trump's going to try to privatized everything so basically he would use this to make his friends richer nobody's talking about these actual policy issues you believe that we need to be discussing you know instead it's just what's going on something else trump said you know and the only state with romney you know you know ron what's really interesting is that i'm kind of ambiguous about that while you're against it but i would be an interesting conversation to have wouldn't it ok instead let me go to ron and ramadan added right but instead i'll show you how the mainstream media does it ok rob if your forward. wall you're a racist and of conversation i mean rob what this is this is what i find again really troublesome is that if people if you disagree with me then somehow your

immoral or lack morals i mean again that's to live there there is of course yeah go ahead rob. there's no middle ground there's no nuance there's no discussion it's you're right it's become an either or circumstance and i just want to backtrack a little bit to what ron said before the break because to think it's really important peter you and i have discussed this which is you had certain programs that really championed trump like m s n b c morning joe joe and mika had him on every day and gave him so much air time it was remarkable and now they suddenly seem stunned that he's the president of the united states and they're profiting now on both ends because all they do is beat the stories to death but i do think that it's our obligation in the media to to report things and we owe it to the viewers and the public and our listeners to talk about more important issues like if trump

has passed really bad legislation then let's talk about and i never see it discussed or shown on any of these shows or programs anywhere really about the new legislation that's gone through regarding wall street regarding regulations what's happening we're just talking about people's opinion as my grandmother used to say that the yacht at the yacht that. you've said that before i really like that you know jesse one of the things that i find very interesting and it's this kind of boomerang effect here you know during the campaign anyone according to the clinton people if you supported donald trump you were deplorable well you know i come from the midwest i don't like being called a deplorable particularly from someone that i think has no moral standing whatsoever in the public eye and that's hillary clinton in her clan and now it's of the same thing the same thing is happening is the more the morning joke and meagre is i call them they go after the president the more they bore in the heartland

people who say aha see these people on the coast i know you've ron i know you guys are in l.a. you guys get a free pass from me. ok just on this one program ok because i hate california i hate california really do ok but i mean if there is any here and you know that it's not now where i am ok so don't don't rub it in but you need to stay here with jesse you know what i think that again you know a lot of people in the midwest where his supporters are the more because we say we should talk about the issues you know are these programs creating jobs in the right kind of jobs you know that's the kind of conversation we should all be having but you know if the m.s.m. b.c. says you know he's stealing the livelihood of the people in the midwest to get it and they beat him for it there he's only going to sustain his popularity because he's hated by the mainstream media not based on his real record real or imagined go ahead jesse. i do want to just very respond to ron about the wall the reason that

one of the reason the president is president is because he has his support of putting up a big beautiful wall and that's not racist and put out war a war to protect the americas and not going to be anything big or big of or out of chess and what what what our life for ron to do if you think it's ok not to put a wall up to go eleven to enter cities and urban areas and see what black americans are going through as a result of the war not be in there you have illegal aliens coming across the borders they are landing in the urban areas or black communities they. heard of black ice and the area of education health care they are bringing in m s thirty game violence their brain you drug us and then they hate black people that people having to move out of their areas to the south either to join till alabama because

a radical liberal got this democrat and the liberal media got this media were not spose the negative impact that open board is having on black people and i realize now is included godless john lewis and the wicked witch from the west madison who are the but the liberals don't care about black people they only want their vote and that's why they want the wall down they don't want to wall there because these illegals are coming in and they are given illegals free stuff and the same manner that they have done to blacks for the last fifty years or so and they are somehow this is that you're making someone else i'm a gross generalization rather part. of a hero but they're not loud about ok people at all ron so let me go to ron here is you know people voted for the president because he want to he will put a big beautiful wall up ok you see c.n.n. and all of the little cry and oh we saw her. well know we love ok. let me go to.

jesse i need the equal time i need equal time for everyone here ron ok all right let's take the wall as an example here depending on what cable station i go to it's a good idea it's a bad idea but i never really hear from experts explain why it's that why it's good all i hear is no moral preening all the time oh it's immoral you know your races tell me how it will go to work how much is it going to cost just how does that change reality how is it part of the larger immigration because i'm for immigration reform so this is the stuff i want to know but i never learned any of it go ahead ron yeah and all right let's put the moral argument aside because you know when we definitely do not have a consensus there i think it's a morally disgusting idea but that's

a moral judgment call so let's look at it economically we don't know exactly how much it's going to cost we don't even know there's a lot of numbers that have been thrown out there furthermore donald trump wants to privatized the entire thing so this would just be given to contractors and let's be honest this is a big this is a big billionaires club that none of us are in jesse your not and i'm not in a peter you're not in it rob you're not in it we are not in it so this obviously that will trump having the pockets of his friends. and that's all we would get out of this and it wouldn't be all right well then well then i guess you're in the club and maybe you're for the wall because you have a financial incentive to be so ok but this is proving i wanted to hang on hang on a little of a moron to say yes go right ahead because this is what i'm trying to get at gentlemen is to have a. gun should i discussion about drug policy ok go ahead.

what what's wrong brings up a really good point let's forget about the moral issue here because i'm against the wall but i've done my research and i did it years ago when i did my due diligence all you have to do is google inspector general border wall and you will see the billions and billions and billions of money that would not only spent but wasted we have tried to build walls we've tried to put up motion detectors we've tried to use satellites every single thing the government has tried to implement under democrat and republican presidencies have failed because it's been proven untenable and unbuildable but we have a presidential candidate there who nothing and cared nothing about this and how the budget was going to build it it's it's it's not ridiculous it's right there google the inspector general's report you can see the money that's been spent on it and that's what should be discussed how are we going to build it how i'm going to be here is what is the road construction i don't hit with. it why don't you chat which

is around if you believe a wall don't work won't work it is a row and also if you build your comparing apples and oranges there are no we already know house. why don't you tear down the wall around your home aren't he was already gentlemen all night down and i think it's only better to take down walls i think we've built one on this program many thanks to my kids in los angeles and in new york and thanks to our viewers for watching us here darkie see you next time and remember prostate. we'll willingly accepted the risk of being shot wounded taken prisoner but nooses signed up to be friggin poisoned by room people see systems use or biological and chemical products the said do not trust. all types of styrofoam

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