he thrives in the adulation of the crowd even if it's a crowd of one who's before him and so he's not an idealogue and i actually thought that was a positive thing when he was first elected i thought he could you know get through all the the tribal partisanship in washington but so far every time he veres towards the center the hardliners in the republican party pull him back and we end up exactly where we were before so. i can't i can't predict where it's going to go on immigration reform i fear the hardliners will win once again for all the years i knew him and there were over thirty he was a centrist all right. what do you make of this just playing to the base. he was a registered democrat i think his attitudes particularly on social issues seem

to be liberal liberal yes and his positions now particularly on social issues veer to the right and he is he's playing to his base and i think he is convinced that the base is his insurance policy that's how he got elected he thinks he can assemble the same coalition again in two thousand and twenty should he run for reelection and so whenever he ventures away from the base he comes back and does something that he believes will endure himself even the crude language he used last week crude racist language and they do it lee after he evidently was on the phone bragging to friends of the base will love this then he saw the complete blowback he got not only in this country but from around the world then he said oh i just didn't say that and how we have this bizarre discussion in washington over the exact wording that he did or did not use with some people i believe on the republican side lying basically to protect him was in general john

kelly supposed to really well. but he can't control donald trump and he can't control donald trump in the off hours i believe during the day in the white house he monitors any phone calls that get through to the president but it night president loves to just sit on his phone and call this wide circle of friends and acquaintances many of whom he wants you know through out of his life and then he welcomes them back so he talks to will a lot of people and some of them really really reinforce his worst instincts and on immigration reform john kelly was at the department of homeland security before he came to the white house and what got the. president's attention was again the way he seemed to eagerly crack down on on immigration what do you make of the moeller

ban and white house don't testify testifies subpoena what do you make of the whole rhythm well well you remember the nixon days when an executive privilege and also bill clinton tried executive privilege that is a formal request at the white house estimate they haven't done it and it's highly doubtful that they can shield bannan from answering questions by invoking executive privilege especially during the time before donald trump even became president so i think bannon understands that he's kind of tell the truth to save his own skin and all the indications are that he intends to do that with the with the special counsel eleanor always enjoy talking to you thanks so much thank you turning now to the ongoing russia investigation former white house chief strategist steve bannon has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury and a federal judge is signaled that the trial of former interim campaign manager paul

man of sorts and his deputy very regain its may start in september or october right before the twenty eighteen mid-terms. let's talk about the latest with tunstall to shouldn't scholar and harvard law school professor emeritus alan dershowitz he joins us via skype alan is also a bestselling author his newest is trumped up how criminalization of political differences in dangers democracy and in minneapolis richard painter professor of law at the university of minnesota and he was the chief white house and thinks louis during the administration of george w. bush and he's vice chair currently of citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington. is now reported that bannon's attorney bill burke was on the phone with the white house during the intelligence committee interview is that normal richard . well. they turn to the private attorney for

a definite. call wherever he wants that say is. that's up to the white house whether they're going to call. usual for the white house to talk with attorneys for represented a criminal defendants in attica said it where we had scooter libby and died it was that a staffer vice president cheney when i was in the bush white house and i don't recall his authorities talk at added body of the white house that i don't know for sure the. but it would be highly arguable there's no policy prohibiting it but that's not the type of play that all of the white house would ordinarily like at staff to be going on we don't know who he was talking to at the windows what do you make of it. well i think it eat criminal lawyer would always like to get as much of it possible and stay in touch obviously with the white house issued executive privilege. relationships come up so i'm not surprised there doesn't

seem to me anything shocking about that and i'd need to know what was discussed before i could come to any conclusion. is so rigid nothing has been like this to your knowledge during the bush administration not that i know of bob i doubt that a white house staff would be checking and with a half x. lawyer ever tom i want to talk to a criminal defense lawyer way sir i told them to stay out a particular part of my whether it's a vest the guy's friends are criminal cases particular part of moderate the white house staff as opposed to stay away from unless they go through the counsel's office that if they if they ordinary approach but it's not necessarily always followed let's remember though that during the first bush administration president bush court. caspar weinberger and five other people on the eve of their

trial and the special prosecutor himself came to the conclusion that that was part of a cover up and that it was intended in the investigation and in fact did in the investigation so you know there's a history of this kind of collaboration between ho tensional defendants who could turn on the president and the white house none of its good none of it should happen we should have a strict separation between prosecution and the executive branch but that's not the way our system works unfortunately but alan shouldn't the public have basically the right to know i mean what are they hiding. no of course but you know the public does have a right to know what lawyers and clients discuss they also don't have a right to know when there's a joint defense agreement i don't know whether there is a joint defense agreement but yes in general transparency is a virtue in a democracy but there are also certain privileges executive privilege lawyer client

privilege spousal privilege that keep the public from learning everything that they'd like to learn about an ongoing case oh i know about small soul and all lawyers but what religion is executive privilege. well the executive privilege is a province a certain act from tom to tom by a president her people work for presidents that would protect the elaborations. within the white house particularly the presidents the lab rations and communications with paypal a lot of staff and others in the ministration this is not a privilege with a lot of support a case law at saw a question at all it's often asserted and them a. resolution is as negotiate at whether it's by to what will be disclosed a mobile not made his clothes and hair this situation we have outside attorneys talking to white house staff. in the it's not the squad's the reason is not going

to be disclosed we have no idea who the attorneys talked to if somebody did find out who and they ended up having to testify in front of congress it would probably be a pretty way clay of executive privilege white house staff member talking to someone else's criminal defense lawyer. in us and less you know but out without say what happens when we just don't know who they spoke with. alan does the subpoena to the grand jury for ben and does he have to answer questions there yes every american has clued in the president of the united states we know that from the nixon tapes case in from the clinton case now people can negotiate with prosecutors and sometimes they end up not going in front of the grand jury but instead having and if you sometimes under oath sometimes not it doesn't much matter whether it's under oath or not because it's a fill a need to lie to prosecutors even if it's not true but the law is clear that every

person has to testify in front of a grand jury unless they invoke privilege and so grim anation or other legal claims but just because you're the president of the president's assistant or in the white house staff there's a period of grand jury. alan which is stay right there we'll have more politicking right after this break. i think that this what the world needs confidence and confidence is based on on common goals i strongly believe that and the u.s. and europe have been any place to be croly and united states has been a partner in creating that tool based system. i'm afraid that's. true if forwards and especially language person from past been using and i'm not that confident that the contribution of the united states to that school based system is so that's really that simple speak.

about the stand. alone. move from what i saw. that on our show at the rather you know across across the four orthodontic years of . political battle going on in there you can pick and. i don't think is a channel for truffle that it. was. my michelle it also. it's whole full first choice where gun gun you say you have

a i think time is serious is a pretty she ought to have a. model for that will fuck around with mr hate that for jim and then boil for hope that our freddie macor. the one. that's geysers fine it will survive until they say money that the girl is. going to be using this is a central plank of the for diana problem is a good problem right now so i stopped. with the islamic state and its many confederates defeated or facing defeat in syria what is next for this war torn country what justification exists for the us to maintain military forces there does washington want syria partition itself and why . politicking i'm talking with constitutional scholar on the harvard law school professor emeritus alan dershowitz

he's joining us via skype and richard painter the former chief white house lawyer during the administration of george w. bush and alan can counsel. talk to president trump if he wants to. if the president wants to talk to him sure there's no problem with that at all look there are there are two extreme positions the one extreme position is that most are constantly subpoena the president make him come and answer questions on any subject without any advance notice of what the security matter going to be that's one position the other position the white house takes there's no the president should be asked questions in writing and he should be able to answer it in writing. i think in the end they'll be a compromise and that they'll be an agreed upon interview probably in the oval office probably was some time limits probably with some advance notice as to the subject matters to be covered and probably with his lawyers present and it will be

transcribed but perhaps not b.t.o. to that's the likely resolution which of good my goal of smoke play any part in the mall investigation. well i caught i could get him some line of questioning protect life or pay plaques they have my on on. that's that what's right and that buckets robber maher may very well have other avenues through which he's already found out and i don't think he's not going to give credence to everything that's that's on the book but it certainly gives rise to some ideas for questioning if he doesn't have them already and i know he did you express concern about investigation dealing or should we investigate president trump's mental health no i don't think so i think he went through a physical and mental examination larry you remember in the one nine hundred seventy s. i went to the soviet union representing dissidents some of whom were locked up in

mental hospitals because it was believed that if you oppose communism you must be mentally ill in south africa they said if you oppose the partite you must be mentally ill in china they locked up dissidents i just don't want to see the psychiatry zation of political difference it's bad enough that we. criminalization of political differences in leicester is a very very very hard evidence twenty fifth amendment tight in capacity i just don't believe that's a proper subject for an independent or special counsel to investigate who is you what do you think. i don't think pass without the proper subject of robber muller's of asked a geisha and they twenty fifth amendment doesn't siad i find that suggest a mayor that the justice department has a role other than that that the attorney general is of course a member the cabinet and the vice president the cabinet ordinarily twenty fifth amendment and appropriate circumstances and then the matter goes to the house and

the senate i do file that. you know the twenty fifth amendment which was adopted in the late sixty's and the nuclear age does contemplate the risk and as a stream way high risk in some circumstances that you could have somebody in presidency who would start on nuclear war which could mean the end of human civilization. i think we have to take that very very seriously i mean it's just not for the special prosecutor but it's brought the kaaba in the house the senate and i don't think we need to we should propose this i don't i think there are serious issues here by green need to be discussed by the side it by and by the by the out of members and members of congress and i don't like the simple foot of. physical exam or mental exam whatever we want through the other day is the end of a discussion when we look at his behavior well and do you worry about prison term

no i don't. meet him on a couple of occasions i don't know him well he does not seem to me to have symptoms of the kind of mental illness that we're talking about you look we once had a security fence is the name was james. or stolen think there's a ship named after him he was a paranoid schizophrenic who ultimately jumped to his death from walter reed hospital because he thought the communists were chasing him if we haven't had a president like that obviously we would have to take actions but i worry that strong disagreements with the president's politics and style may become confused by some psychiatrists with mental illness we know that barry goldwater who ended up being one of the most stable members of the united states senate and a real paragon of stability and virtue was declared to be mentally ill by over a thousand psychiatrist when he was running against lyndon johnson who himself was not a paragon of stability and of course was

a great civil rights president but got us into a very difficult war so i very much worry about the politicization of mental illness and mary creating a pathology out of the political disagreements we have to stay away from that though we have to be careful to make sure that no person who has access to nuclear trigger ever has the kind of mental illness that james foresaw i remember that well recent painting do you worry about president trump. i do know i look at the twitter fade i look at the spaces i look at they statement say is my. and if you put that side by side but barry goldwater there's no comparison. i've never seen and i won as donald trump does and they public iran and such a high position are it's it's extremely worrisome the way he obsesses on hillary clinton the way he have senses on the russian investigation the way the tax man our

days i mean it's all over and over again and it doesn't make sense a lot of it it doesn't appear to be a coordinated political strategy. and he has comparing his button to the size of the north koreans button and that's not the type of talk i want to hear from someone who has the power to end human civilization but that's one of the moment as a verb our high bar i think the program approach is to have this discussion to take it seriously not to. have psychiatry's involved in the discussion but doesn't have the rubber and actually remove a president under the twenty fifth amendment would require the majority of the cabinet and then it goes to the house and the senate it's very unlikely unless indeed these concerns are demonstrated in the public arena we really like locking up dissidents of russia who are going out of town and alan doesn't presumes actions consume you. they concern me as

a citizen and they affect my vote for him but i thought against him obviously i voted for hillary clinton i am concerned about his politics about his policies but i don't see any indication that we that we should apologize our differences with him i think we should politicize our differences with them and have the media check and balance them and challenge them in court when we think there are appropriate executive orders like the travel order but i think trying to create a kind of mental illness scenario around stylistic differences and other differences taker's down a very dangerous path i agree we're not at where we were with the soviet union or china but i worry about slippery slopes and i worry about pathology rising political difference alan thanks for your time today we appreciate it thank you larry thank you. in vancouver this week the united states and canada hosts the

twenty nations summit to explore ways to tighten sanctions against north korea what do we learn from this and what changes might have happened in our attempt to keep a lid on north korea's nuclear ambitions let's talk with joel rubin he served as deputy assistant secretary of state for legislative affairs in the obama administration and he's president of the washington strategy group joel joins me from snowy washington d.c. how important was that meeting joe. thanks larry for having me on the meeting was very important that the meeting is an opportunity as all meetings are to get people together but what this meeting did was it got the allies during the korean war to be in the same room and to talk about the issue in a way they hadn't before so nothing substantive that we can tell at this stage in

her. as of next steps publicly but certainly to have all of these allies together is a good step it's been long overdue quite frankly for the american diplomats to have this kind of an arrangement china and russia were not invited and china called live in a meeting cold war thinking how do you respond to that i think that may be a bit over the top there is a lot of room for china in this process and the united states has been asking china to engage on north korea since longer much prior. presidents tenure this is an opportunity for the allies from that period to get together china is always included will be brief they do have a critical role to play certainly not just in terms of engaging north korea but also the u.n. security council they're going to have to approve any agreement if there if there ever is one so i am sure they'll be involved in north korea is going to attend the

winter olympics in south korea a high level of issues from multan sounds career diplomatic discussions where are we going with this. it's anyone's guess there's a lot of parlor game guessing right now happening in washington about why now did kim decide to engage south korea and could this potentially split the united states from south korea how does this all play out i'm from the perspective that any engagement can be good and gauge mean if it's managed properly so by having north korea and south korea talking that creates an atmosphere of a little more calm a little less hysteria and hopefully opens up a pathway to a legitimate dialogue over the nuclear program japan's foreign ministry called north korea is in gauging with south korea a charm offensive you see that. well it's a charm offensive one compared to two years of zero talking which is what has been happening and it's a charm offensive when compared to. rhetoric about nuclear buttons so the speak

being on the desks of the leaders that certainly yes but it's not much of a charm offensive really it's not as if the north koreans are suddenly allowing their people to have contact with the south korean people it's sending a delegation to an olympics games and they'll be very disconnected and separate from the population so it's a very modest step at sharm we shouldn't be a little encouraged by it. i think so from the perspective of at least there's a thaw i am skeptical of whether or not this means that north korea is changing their perspective but certainly this is an opportunity diplomatically to test where north korea wants to go once one is in the room in diplomacy one never knows where the discussions will end and so yes by having a link a communications link established more robustly between the south and the north that is a good thing so hopefully we can see some progress grow from this i just wouldn't

have the expectation that this means necessarily that there will be an agreement or some kind of real clear way forward joe thanks as always for joining us my pleasure thanks joe rogan and we thank you for joining us on this edition of politicking remember you can join the conversation on my facebook page or tweet me at kings things that don't use the politic. and that's all for this my scary edition of politicking. about your sudden passing just learnt. taking your last.

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