taking measures to prevent further empowerment of bashar assad is nothing but a pretext against against what's happening at the moment so they want to just create a balance of power behind that and that can create and all can end the conflict for a period of a long time that's a very interesting way of looking at go to jonathan i mean but you know what i i guess you know these other outside forces they get that syria is a sovereign country it can invite other countries in to set up a military base i mean the united states does it all over the world ok and the syrians want to have the russians there have the ratings there where they were not there before i mean the rank hypocrisy of all of this you know why should these foreign powers they decide who can have a military base in syria when they have no right to do so under international law go ahead jonathan. well i mean i agree with you on that i mean you know who rock the americans were invited by the iraqi government of nuri al maliki initially and

hyderabadi afterwards they came in but. syria they've never been invited in and they've not been never been proved presence by damascus so it is completely illegal and should finish off i mean the trouble is the council behind eating away at us policy is this issue of trying to get our side to resign early on in twenty eleven thought he would resign or be toppled by the crowds in the street like what happened in syria what happened what happened in egypt i mean what happened in two news you didn't happen there must admit that they made a terrible mistake and if they want peace in the country if they want reconstruction if they want to get a few jews to go home and the i.d.p.'s to go home they have to recognize that our society is the winner in this you must deal with him and construction and reconstruction is go through him and all these rebel groups from outside funded by the gulf countries and turkey and so on must go home and. and leave the country

alone well mohamed to me if i go back to go back you know our last minute before we go to the break here i mean since two thousand and eleven to the present can you explain to me in our audience what difference does that make it that saad is there reasonable there we have seen through this this civil war that is an invention from the outside the cohesion of the damascus government it is there ok it's not based on a personality cult of a personality the outs these outside forces that brought the people of syria very very different people to come together and fight all foreigners ok so this whole thing that assad must go is ridiculous go ahead mom it. was so far out of the protests. that peacefully in two thousand and eleven we had the six month open nonviolence so there was a political process that means the young syrians who were protesting there was

their misery and socio economic grievances and then there was in that action however once we moved to the oktober to the eleven things when we had violence so far perceive see the. kitchen of the regional politics where you have similar powers trying to money the district. here and i and i'll come back you we must go to a break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on syria stayed with. the winner take all bent out of it's a lottery mentality in america either winter or you're dead and the pharmaceutical companies of course lobbyists go to washington to change the laws of a possible to settle all calls. in america and nobody frickin cares because it ever

learned a lesson the world war two did it they said let's do it again. in order to overthrow a regime it does take popular discontent and popular mobilization but it also requires actors with the leadership of the regime who feel that the regime is no longer serving the national interest you need people in the military or the bureaucracy or both who are willing to see the regime change otherwise they would be able to put down a popular revolt that did not have support at higher levels. welcome back to crossfire where all things are considered on peter lavelle trying to we're discussing syria.

we can't go back in leeds here i mean we can discuss the origins of all of this i would disagree with our guest in doha it wasn't all peaceful in the beginning they were people that were using force and looking for force regime change which of course those elements have been there for a long time and we know who have been backing them so and also i'd like to point out is that in this horrible horrific civil war when you look at the casualties how of them of big government troops fighting for their country fighting. for their couple their right to exist ok the people they were fighting well they were more interested in ethnic cleansing ok so i think we should have a sense of proportion you know i've seen i mean i'm really still very concerned with this element with turkey here how do we get through this here because it seems to me that every one has this kind of a neo ottoman view of the conflict he's digging in in northern syria and he plans to stay it looks like so much for the sovereignty of syria and it's from

a country that is a member of nato go ahead. turkish foreign policy is complicated and if you do look at that an understatement. and if you do look at kind of. foreign policy over the last five years it has gone through so many different stages so we really cannot talk about a single turkish policy towards either us or see the over the last five years certainly in the first phase of the war it was all about us and if you cheer of see the without him but now it seems that the main the main turkish preoccupation these kind of it's all internal security dynamics as you know very well the turkish security establishment and political has been sometimes in violent and sometimes in nonviolent confrontation with we're talking

about three four decades of confrontation and now d.c. they see this kind of year period gear which is into framework of history year of gaining more and more power not only is gaining more and more power in syria but it is directly backed up by the united states as far as the turks are concerned this is directly jointly dies in their internal national security so what is happening right now at the moment between washington and it is nor longer only about the future of syria it is also about some other very important issues and if you do look at what has been happening between washington and over the last year their relationship has gone to a very very problematic stage i mean only about a week ago american officials warned their own citizens about traveling to turkey and turkey did exactly the same to our so many issues like facts like a discount

a very problematic case of results out of. as well as if that's creating a lot of impediments for a court the other relationship between these two nato allies you know jonathan it's really interesting is that you know syria's kind of a backdrop. overlooking the crisis in turkish american relations this is these are supposed to be nato allies here you have you have other nato countries that are quite nervous we have to point out to our viewers that turkey is the second largest military in nato and they see there they say what are their allies infringing upon the sovereignty of another country and we have erred on actually wanting other nato countries to start joining in on his security efforts security problems that he has created for himself the more he gave medals with the syrian situation the kurdish situation in syria the more it hurts him down the road just as we pointed out this is a very domestic issue as well it's not one in syria actually it's also in iraq go

ahead jonathan. well no i mean i've seen is absolutely right i thought is analysis of turkish foreign policy in the contradictions was spot on i mean the problem is that there's no reason why there should be a conflict even in turkey itself yeah there was a peace process for two years one was talking to a larger line on the k.p. k.k. leadership people and they were making progress and then he just threw it out of the window because he wanted to present himself to the turkish domestic electorate as a strong or thorough tearing man who wasn't giving in because at that point he was trying to win a referendum on a new executive powerful presidency so it was electorally. modified moderated. negotiated and he just threw out the sport on the floor the courage that's just poured but now he's got to continue in syria because he's convinced that the s.d.f. in a corner to northeast syria is somehow beholden to the p.k. k.

which is no longer true yeah you know mohamed how much you know we talked to you started out with your first comments about the first year of the presidency or trumpets and here in the middle east i mean how much of american foreign policy is actually driven by some kind of vision that president trump has which i doubt to be honest with you or how is it really coming out of tel aviv in riyadh because it seems that you know trump has really cozy. tel aviv in riyadh in his presidency in a very simplistic and i think dangerous way but how much is he being pushed by those two countries go ahead mahmoud. what i think there are two shifts of war taken into consideration in the in the position of the administration one trump was always critical of the obama administration policy toward syria he said that he was not effective and he was not kind of put help in the syrians and now we're looking

at the situation where basically it is no clear sort all. in the midst of all this chaos shift number two is an overt and exaggerated over on counter terrorism in the international relations of the unite of the united states with the middle east and i think what we saw in the summit was too much investment in this counterterrorist to the extent that now it has overshadowed the complexity of the whole syrian crisis and all the chaos and there's also another problem now i think. to eighteen among. trying to simply fall who to blame which country or british government is responsible for the escalation in syria and they think the blame goes around starting from the u.s. and some really not of powers who thought the money in new power

inside syria and in the region and guess what the all of this exaggerated investment income and the lot of them is now bringing to the realization that it is still a more complex conflict that what than what back in two thousand and twelve you know i've seen one of the interesting things is the more countries like saudi arabia and israel blame ayran for the region's woes you know that it ran just gets more and more influential because it doesn't make these geopolitical blunders that these other characters do in the region here i mean iraq was a catastrophe what's happening in yemen is a catastrophe syria is holding its own here and you know always looking to blame iran and iran are by almost doing nothing comes out on top don't you think they should learn something from that go ahead. yes i mean certainly when you do look at what has been happening in the region over the last certainly. fifteen years since

the invasion of iraq by the united states a lot of things that has happened in the region somehow has ended up. benefiting iranian position within the middle east the invasion of iraq and of. the rise of isis and so on and of course it is not only about the iranian policy it is also about kind of miscalculations and wrong policies of the ukrainian primarily here we're talking about saudi arabia but the situation is changing a little bit now we have a president in the white house who has a very kind of narrow iran centric kind of understanding of the region according to his kind of naive perspectives all the problems in the middle east all the instabilities in the middle east all of the sudden can be resolved if they

could confront iran and the best way he things that he could confront iran is to kind of undermine this historic deal and now increasingly there is more evidence to suggest that maybe within the next three or four months we going to see the end of this very important security deal and if that happens it can create some serious new problems for for the region so iran should not take account of its recent victories in the region for granted because the situation is changing the corridors of power in washington is certainly in favor of saudi arabia is all to the point i'm not even sure if mr trump is acting on behalf of american interests or the interests of israel and saudi arabia or their region because if you do look at his policies he's effectively undermining their account interest or even with that intra. in the region in all. of the foreign policy discourse of both

israel and saudi arabia let me go to jonathan i would add on to that promote we just heard from. and also splintering nato and the european union over the iran's deal ok because the united states look at nikki haley you know in that vast hall she's all alone or virtually all alone and all of these issues here and you know i was highly critical of obama's foreign policy the only thing that he did in his foreign policy that i agreed with was the iran deal i think it made pragmatic sense ok and now we have this reversal here john of the one last minute here i mean. from what we did i mean is it really just all about iran and preparing some kind of conflict with the ram because you know all the pieces on the board kind of point in that direction go ahead. well no that is certainly true and what i said was right again i mean israel has always wanted the u.s. to change the regime in tehran they hoped they would do that fifteen years ago they thought iraq was going to me they were pushing for iran and they were. being told

we'll move to later off we've done iraq and that is still now the policy of the trump administration of course it's a complete diversion the real problem in the middle east as it has been for fifty years is the israeli palestinian issue but of course it's. in the interests of netanyahu in the right wing in israel to try and minimize the palestinian things or no no iran is much bigger threat and its much bigger issue it's trying to take over the whole region and so on and unfortunately the u.s. so many people long before the trumpet ministration of fallen for that ploy they certainly are all right gentlemen that's all the time we have for this very fascinating discussion and i'm unfortunately i'm sure we'll be talking about syria in the future many thanks to my guests in london leads and in doha and thanks to our viewers for watching us here are next time and remember.

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a little rocket man and that was after the little rocket man had called president trump though tard and you know my feeling is that after this surprise we have prashar moment between the north and south korea their meeting in this notion that north korea might actually send some athletes to the winter olympics i think actually surprisingly. it may have been schoolboy like but i feel like kim jong un felt respects like he's been doing all sorts of things for the last ten fifteen years to get any attention whatsoever from the president of the united states whoever that might be and none of them have ever referred to him directly they're always referring to the north koreans are going to be in trouble or whatever and never respond to him directly so i think trump actually getting on twitter and saying hey little rocket man my buttons bigger than yours he's actually addressing him directly and thus giving him the respect he wanted all they need it didn't

matter all you needed to do it seems to get to the table was to address them directly it's a guy thing that's what i do this with a guy stuck it out he's on the athletic team for example you play sports you're in a hockey team or a basketball team was over there guys well poke at each other they'll pick fights with each other that's how you get the team going us i get the team organized as you develop a spree decor so by trump saying hey rocket man it's like you know george w. bush used to call it but he kept it little names and pet names and nicknames it's a form of endearment so as you point out he's talking directly to this guy this little rocket man in north korea or as obama might go through a diplomat or he might not speak to him directly to goes or channels or goes or back channels and it's all very corrupted and it's all very a lot you know those trumps right to just say the little rear your frickin lunatic let's have a conversation i have a mate paul spaghetti you know like you like movies you like just you like the way

south park made you look like a imbecile in the movie america team america did you like that and he's like yeah kind of what's up we don't have you over the white house in fact here's a headline we didn't get to last week because we were covering these other stories in the financial news this isn't really financial news related but it will impact the world economy south korea's moon says trump deserves big credit for nor. korea talks south korean president and credited u.s. president trump on wednesday for helping to spark the first inter korean talks and more than two years and warned that would face stronger sanction of provocations continued he gave a big credit he didn't just say credit he had to say big credit because he was of course cockatoo though tar that is donald trump so you've got a huge you're big or whatever you guys are simpletons i mean look at the soul sex scandal in hollywood because guys are basically simpletons you know they have

simple needs and simple tastes and simple wants and if you run a crazy a dictatorship in north korea you're not you know tonight being trying to working out diplomatic angles and super super you know kind of series about what you should be doing is just a guy up there are lonely regardless they do have advanced technology there they are as we have discussed with guests like tim schorr they do have an advanced weapons system they've built bombs they have a nuclear weapon they have i.c.b.m. they have things like that that doesn't it's not like you can't do that and not be intelligent and not have a scientific class and have a class of people who can do this so however there rest of the economy is according to many like and deep turmoil and there is. you know the economic directs for most of the population but i want to turn to you know looking back at little at darts country which is here the united states is some of the more data that keeps on

coming out about this opioid crisis here. because for the long term impact that this will have on the economy has to be substantial because these numbers are so shocking and i know we've covered this before but the data just keeps coming out and it's just. it's breathtaking more and more breathtaking every single time new data emerges the opioid crisis is driving up deaths of millennial zx in the united states. the u.s. is one of the wealthiest countries in the world is the world's center of innovation the medical science at the country can't keep their youth from dying u.s. millennialism now dying at such high rates that it is driven life expectancy in the country to decline for two years in a row the first time this has happened since the early one nine hundred sixty s. the primary cause for the trend is the opioid crisis and the actual data from the u.s. centers for disease control and prevention shows that one hundred twenty nine out

of every hundred thousand twenty five to thirty four year old u.s. adults died in two thousand and sixteen not since one thousand nine hundred five at the height of the hiv aids epidemic did you see that so hundred twenty nine out of every hundred thousand. twenty five to thirty four year olds because of. north korea again you know the two countries are our pursuit they both have catastrophic social policies tomic weapons crazy people the dictators run them and now they go into it looks so it's fun for all. so i'll show you a chart here the death rates among young adults in the us are skyrocketing that shows that they they plunged during the ninety's so i let me add my comment here this is strictly for the new york times this would be like the collapse of the soviet union in one nine hundred eighty nine one nine hundred ninety remember there was a catastrophic die off because of the mismanagement when the elson was put in place by america and they meddle with the election and had

a die off and all the doctor consumption there's america going to die off of neo liberals who go wacko in new york times this is america this is not the soviet union political ups ok put out of your friggin fiber smokable book are going to remember some of their wacko nut jobs at the new york times who like to be critical of this network would never mention me by name well that's a good point because of course they were the new york times are still very concerned about the die off that did happen in russia post collapse of the soviet union and they are seemingly more concerned about that and what is going on here but the number the data is remarkable in twenty ten just eighteen at every one hundred thousand americans died at the age twenty five to thirty four from overdose by twenty fourteen that rate rose to about twenty three and one hundred thousand then it really took off from twenty fourteen to twenty sixteen and spiked by almost fifty percent to almost thirty five the majority of this rise can be accounted for

by an increase of deaths from heroin natural in semi-synthetic non heroin opioids like oxy code down and most importantly synthetic prescription opioids fentanyl that the death rate can spike fifty percent in the course of two years well i predict that pretty soon the mc jobs as they're called employers and the gig economy employers like stuff will start paying their employees in a sensible. well maybe but you know the fact that we have this fifty percent spike in any other if we saw it from here if we saw it happening in venezuela a lot of people are very very very concerned about venezuelans who some people are saying are starving to death you're starting to see some people starving to death so we are as a people we're very concerned about those people starving in venezuela i would think like you're going to be normally human societies kind organize around their own family and then their local community and then their state government and then

the federal you know you know you're usually are concerned kind of like with those closest to you so like these sort of numbers if we saw them from afar we would say something weird is going on there when you saw in russia after the collapse of the soviet union you saw that it was the disintegration of the society and the economy and the and the structure of the economy and society around them that collapsed and they had no place suddenly here we have something going on i don't know what it is you know you mention neo liberalism but that's been something that's been going on for the last twenty thirty years finally just a sign of people giving up hope but these are twenty five to thirty four year old so what you know what's going on it seems like it should occupy more of the time on m.s.n. b.c. which is supposed to be the progressive network for example so you would think like you know you would think that it would be the fox news source that would be like great this is creative destruction you need this sort of stuff m s n b c is the sort they're supposed to be that concerned about this so i would i'm just wondering

why nobody mentions it is because just there to close the case is they can see the forest for the trees you know the expression i just learned that apparently during the night my eight on your shoes are mating. that knowing you know this was going on my way shatters mind what human doing at night what you call the thing people while they're sleeping mikes and their eyelashes are made it ok now i try it on my eyeball and i can see so area of america you've got this millennial overdosing on you know prescription opioids from drug manufacturers that are effectively creating pharmaceutical whole cost of american lxi case as american dart roosevelt has done it now it's meaningless because it doesn't impact our four one k. it does beg and it doesn't because this company that sells these opioids is a private company it's one of the largest private companies in america pharmaceutical companies these drugs are available to europeans and to asians and to latin americans and yet somehow they're not overdosing at the same sort of level so there's something unique going on here something happened in that time period so

what was that time period from two thousand and fourteen to twenty sixteen something in particular happen there and i don't know what it was but it's worth a study americans kids are seventy percent more likely to die before adulthood the kids and other rich countries the gini coefficient in france is very small the gap between walls and pours a very small share to america the tradition and family in europe and in france is very strong you know very typical you see grandma and the kids and the dog all together they all together on vacations are constantly together family values are very strong in france they don't have the united states you have the gini coefficient exploding wealth and income gap exploding you have jeff bezos of one hundred x. billions of dollars and millions and hundred million dollars one hundred fifty million people america living at or below the poverty line in france the youth has an identity that is constantly inculpated in their minds through education and through society and through culture of being part of the trigger.