only after all the necessary consensus is being reached around the european union the decision to attack. libya could not have been taken what can i tell you believe me i have no other because this is a counterfactual history and history is another one but i am still convinced that food there really. is very useful to reduce their aggressive propensity but it was not the head that that's the thing it was not an act of aggression i think back in two thousand and eleven it was seen as a humanitarian intervention and it was actually something good it was basically eliminating gadhafi so you don't think it was trying to spread the european and western values. it was eliminating there is an opinion here in russia that one of the reasons why the united states and to some extent western europe make the four

positive such as that they make is that because they have been for a long insulated from the consequences of those decisions now europe obviously is no longer insulated from its policy from the consequences of its foreign policy in the middle east and north africa you're dealing with lots of migrants coming into your country it is putting a serious challenge to you and compounding many of the challenges that you face at the moment do you think that may in a way sober up the decision making when it comes to international politics at least as far as the european. intimations amount to is we're not in and so successful as we are in economic this is and to lead so we have been successful in. individual rather in the spreading them on an equal be. to all of our member

station here become a victim of your own success in that way not at all we have not been successful in internation of the matter so that's the point this is where nation sub at and t. has remained but it is so clear when we tried to fix it up and we adopted old suit new so to have gear is. international politics it remained as a productive of the member states i mean it's not normal why because there are the external relationships of the community and the foreign policies of the individual member states and the poor high representative have to be has to be present both the so this is not a success these are a difficult compromise immigration is one of these areas where from

outside people tend to see europe as a sawed of you need a single lend this makes the single very difficult with countries late eternity and greece there are the gates as we say of you dope but are forced to behave as if the immigrants lending you both in greece and they need to be. where for eternity and greece only so this is the a c. miter that still remains well mr mother we have to take a very short break but we'll be back in just a few moments said can't. prescribe . medication is widespread on the u.s.

market and a frequent cause of death at the point in my life i just felt like everything was ashes my family was literally coming unglued i had actually planned. to commit some site water or who has money you don't need a prison so commonly used we were doing what the doctors told us to do we were being responsible and what the real side effects. was literally all to what i did was done. to him was legal trouble. just because something's legal doesn't mean it's something. new when you don't. see the teachers who are. there to court to do. what they do not. make. love to the girl said.

no servant is messy that. if you speak french. it's a new. busy signal to. come back to worlds apart with giuliana mother former prime minister of italy mr motto just before the break we were talking about the law being influenced by political considerations internationally but obviously it also happens in the domestic landscape we have a major issue with independent judiciary here in russia but it also. seems to be

increasingly an issue in other european countries like for example poland or ukraine and those countries rhetorical at least have long embraced the western way is that really an issue of values why do you think it's so difficult to insulate politics and the judiciary. in the domestic context as. a constitutional law scholar i find it very much understandable that after years of communism the notion of the concentration of power prevails upon the notion of division of power words because the communist regime was based formally i mean they had him over the and take it after the economy. of ours when i was discussing with. the operation that was necessary for these new states to and into the european union

building market of the communist economy build the liberal democrat. of communist states the whole us difficulty was in the circle and not in the fruits too on. precisely because of this reason creating an independent judiciary i could use the this is some times difficult old in with renewed of the commission is now a century in poland for misbehaving and poland essentially response by saying that it's not your business and i think that touches on the subject you often talk about reaches this a permissive national or versus the primacy of regulations i suspect that your heart will prevent the european commission but do you see any merit in the polish army. i meant that they should be allowed some space of making their own decisions

and some space to develop democracy the way they seem necessary. there are limits of course they were in. huge construction like the european union should be not eliminated but absorbed and somebody has returned having said so there are limits so all of us all of ours ever except that we respect the rule of law we concede the independence of the judiciary part of the rule of law something that from the polish point can be argued to rupp's i'm not sure. they could say but appointing judges it is not necessarily. threatening

their independence because if you argue that appointing judges excludes the independence of the judiciary the u. s. is out of the rule of law because we know that federal judges are appointed by by the president so there is. a margin of discussion but within limits really because what has happened in poland in relation to the constitutional court is let me say so beyond the credibility of the financial times had an article the other day saying that poland was where the soviet empire began to crumble and that it may well be the place where the future of the e.u. will be decided do you agree with that now why not no to thaw not at all no big.

poland is an important european country. of the big and after ball. whatever happens in poland affects the union and this is something i am convinced but not that poland will lead to do you know we're it's a disruption this is something i don't think there is something that is to do with kids seeing ski give the time to go back to his country things might change and all of this is sort. of the present might change that you know one parallel i would draw red the soviet union first human to parallels i think one is this intention by the soviet union to centrally mandate policies rather than lead the regions to develop at their own

pace and the second one would be the very linear view of history in progress that you only go from certain point to the next point without allowing a country society to make its own mistakes isn't it helpful ultimately for the democratic process for poland for hungry for russia for ukraine for anyone else to make its own mistakes and to strengthen that democratic. there is a limit there is a little a limit to the because. something that is really important for us is not to be only a common market but as we say to be a community of values you mind to me cured on mr. eve you. steadily and proven in clearly contradict the common values you create a problem absolutely you create a problem also. on the us. to france because we needed

to be perceived as the community of the that is something that we are very affectionate to the fact the no member of the european union can accept the death penalty and no country adopt still adopting the penalty can be accepted as a member of the union imagine that we accept a country to make its own mistake adopting the death penalty we don't really care about i could tell you that italy has had its own a very long history you have pages in your history that i'm sure you are very proud of fascism for example and yet you manage to build your society on it when you say that all countries have to comply with certain values didn't don't you deny them an opportunity to arrive at the appreciation of this values by themselves rather than

being mandated by some central if they are not mandated to don't adopt these views of brussel as if it were is soviet power world that free moscow prides to dominate why territory and several communities it is not so the only power in the commission now as unsolved power is no to. aggressive well certainly you know it less than times it is there is a poison as you rightly really has been perceived the don't believe the commission with its soft power its power words abut solved open up a dialogue among the member states all of them discussing with the charter the respect of the rule of law that exists in each. because you will find that

perhaps devalue elations by poll are made crow others might be minor but look at the of migrants how they are treated in each country you will realize that the rule of law is a splendid do but the compliance with it is not so splendid also in other countries this is to be done the dialogue but it's a dialogue it's not a soviet word on the poor poland well good to know how can i ask you very quickly about another country that is involved in negotiations with the. united kingdom i know that you were greatly disappointed by the result of the backset vote even though you yourself wrote that article thirty did you ever think that it would have been invoked. no my purpose in proposing and shaping the three paragraphs of that was

if they have it they won't use it because frequently they hear. you are doing so many things difficult to accept for the ass and it's impossible to work out it's impossible to work out we are prisoners of this bureaucracy or brussels accent and know the door is there and you can open it so feel more relaxed inside the union but the fact of the matter is that those who voted to cage it gave a majority to bracks it know it has to be seen we're. under the law of the actual conditions that are not defined yet of the exit they will really be ready to do it i can see the issue open but it's too early to say can i ask you specifically about

that because i heard you express that whole of the british reckon fettering that decision before and i wonder if it's fair to continental europe to you. just stand there and wait for the u.k. to decide for another time whether it was nobody this is not europe is doing this is what i'm saying but europe is negotiating with a very rigid the time table they have concluded that the first stage of negotiations which is the states devoted to how much it costs to you to leave and they are found in agreement which is allow them to open up the second stage of negotiations which relates not to the past. the cost but to the future these will be the real negotiations and the time is going to lead me to until next

year the braxton vote was ultimately result of very self-serving political decision you can argue that what we see now transpire in poland is also a result of self-serving politics do you think the ear is treating poland and the u.k. . by the same standard in this case because it seems to me. later on paul and then on the difficult for me. to to the to situation. the same kind. the. benchmark because poland is a member of the union the no intention to deceive even mr tasks that could be an up or a possibility if poland is pressed too hard. there is always a possibility but at the moment poland is a member of the. common use bridge the

u.k. which is not by your later any come along as this press the view to leave. and therefore we are negotiating with them it is to be clear if they don't want migrants easily and to bring into the. they have to set a rigid border between north and in ireland and the republic if they don't want to read the border between the two i rely on lampedusa would be in dublin. and this is the untractable problem that they have created to themselves is not my form polish your letter we have to leave it there really appreciate your time and tell us. please keep the conversation going on our social media pages and i hope to see you again same place same time here and also

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u.k. firefighters warning of lives at risk the national health service in crisis and police got steam to disaster for national security you're watching an emergency special of going underground coming up in the show will the governor. learn any lessons from the karelian crisis tens of thousands of threatened with losing their jobs in the u.k. we speak to an n.h.s. nurse about the public private partnerships the g alleges are destroying universal health care system and are austerity cuts killing young people on the streets of britain we speak to a former metropolitan police chief with over twenty years experience about why he believes u.k. prime minister tourism a has blood on their hands but the government is not running really and the government is actually a customer of caribbean according to the pm the british government is merely just another customer of the multi-billion pound liquidated private contract chaired by

her former corporate responsibility adviser all the more coming up in today's going underground but first across british civic society there appears to be a consensus that years of relative cuts to the n.h.s. universal health care system to bail out the banks have caused a crisis even the normally stoic u.k. health secretary in the past few weeks has apologised for the enforced cancellation of tens of thousands of operations for lack of money that is unacceptable and i apologize wholeheartedly that apology came before the mass multi-billion pound corporate failure of karelian which while not being able to manage itself was put in charge by theresa may have managing n.h.s. facilities treating patients right across the united kingdom joining me now is an n.h.s. nurse on the front line of britain's universal health care system jackie barrie jackie welcome back to going on the ground eight thousand of karelians twenty thousand staff work in the health sector which means that companies liquidation immediately triggered emergency plans in britain's universal health care system the n.h.s.

just give us an overview of what the private sector does in government health care system. effectively the private sector have. a national health service for twenty thirty years now successive governments have had a policy of outsourcing. risk high yield. lucrative contracts to private companies things like portraying cleaning maintenance and i've also been involved in the construction of private finance mischief hospitals where effectively the taxpayer pays enormous amounts of money over the odds to private construction firms for shiny hospitals but then gets hired into these thirty year contracts where money is drying out of the service away from the frontline and away from the patients so the idea is not what they say obviously they say the government labor ministers and tory ministers they all say this is

a great we're making things more efficient so as you know just rewarding their friends in big multi-billion pound contracting firms but i think if we can learn anything from what's happened really is that actually that's not the case for successive governments so worship to the old to the free market as the the bail and end off the delivery of goods and services actually today the chickens are coming home to boast the bark it doesn't work when it comes to the provision of public services essentially what's happened is this government and governments before it have given karelian and companies like karelian by the way they're not the only ones billions of pounds to do work which actually the n.h.s. could do just as well and just cheaply and these companies effectively used the n.h.s. as a way of siphoning public money public resources well that will log into the pockets of private shareholders you know korean put their diffidence up last year

something like eighteen i seen point four five percent time when the news profits were going down so that no these companies don't add any value if anything they just siphoned. off a seven karelian it operates branch two hundred operating three hundred critical care beds does. their website was and we had already you know eleven thousand inpatient beds on the coalface would you see these managers walking around the wards or were these guys so you have people who do and i chest jobsite porto's or kleeneze or people who do mind but i don't work for the n.h.s. i work for private companies a lot of these people actually used to be and i just stuff through the outsourcing of contacts to the privatisation process which actually not just the tory government but the labor government before and i've seen a massive proliferation of these sorts of arrangements so work because of

effectively been tycoon out of the n.h.s. and how can i fit into private contracts which means that conditions of a changed right to collectively organize a stretching in a way they leave the input part of why did they leave the private sector because the contracts. the job to do. only were you doing the same job publicly they were going to get the next you know were labor ministers the blairite and equal been people in the parliamentary labor party they learnt to raise a maze lot with the impress though it's only a website karelians website they have on rival experience in managing critical complex environment assets and they support thousands of patients in health care professionals on a daily basis to begin with words like that that persuaded. democratically elected politicians that they're the ones to do it not public sector workers like yourself

or i mean some five to marketing marco a white back chile we've had this government and governments before it which have had an ideological commitment and they are liberalism. economics where actually it doesn't really matter of all of these companies say that i'll commit to breaking up public services. because i feel for in public services represent and that is the idea that we will pay him what like what we can and take what we made so. the labor party that is more of a responsibility because this is all pioneered under brown actually part of the people who supported it mostly the people who tried to were destroyed germy corbin's leadership in the labor party but i think there are some parts of the labor party which have a legacy in privatizing nation of the health service and actually goes beyond the tender in the pure process with things like karelian paget's at the y.

that the n.h.s. is structured an organized in itself give you an example there was announcement a couple of weeks ago that fifty thousand and i just patients were not going to get their elective surgeries in january or february now that's going to impact not just on those patients who are going to have to wait longer for their hips and their knees and their shoulders but it's also going to impact on and i just trust because now the n.h.s. is there's no one in h.s. it's divided up into into competitive competitive trusts trusts on the basis of work. and it was under brown that an enormous premium enormous tariff was introduced for elective surgery so it means that the n.h.s. won't get that money and i just trust now won't get that money which is going to push more more trust over into into the red in the new financial year and actually that stems brought back to. the focus was to try and get.

his patients to go in and have their operations done in the private sector so it was about transferring wealth transferring assets out of the public purse and into the hands of private companies obviously the cats leisure tens of thousands of. surgery appointments like that is a unique. economy. but the health secretary jeremy hunt said that because there was flu that flu every year we know there's going to be flu every year and actually the question isn't did it need to happen or didn't need to happen oh no price no level actually there on the beds to put these elective surgery patients him in a lot of cases but why was that allowed and why is it that we don't have the beds of these patients we have lost over the last six years fifteen thousand beds from the n.h.s. so we don't physically have the beds to put the patients same day on that even if we have the beds we don't have room in hospitals to put patients because we've had

asset stripping wear. and we wear land effectively it's been sold off to the private sector and that is a process that big seller write it it's reason lies government continues on top of that with an oven of staff to look off the patients once they're in the beds so you know we've got an operational crisis in place in the n.h.s. i tried to ask the health secretary hunter the tory party coverage in manchester about this question why are nurses now leaving the national health service well we haven't had a pay rise in seven is in fact we have had real to have cut your fourteen percent i've lost seven years. workload is increased exponentially where unsupported we have enough staff to do the job so when you don't have enough staff that increases eleven stress so it makes it even harder.