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tv   Going Underground  RT  January 22, 2018 10:30am-11:00am EST

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and while republicans and democrats still struggle to find a compromise the american public is starting to feel the pinch. america knows this is that from shutdown my fingers still sure so i get that nice little ring to it doesn't it senate democrats shut down this government a big fat failure.
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unfortunately we cannot stay because congressional democrats are holding government funding to an unrelated immigration. government. meanwhile germany's drawn out coalition talks could be on the brink of a breakthrough the social democrats leader martin shows has been swayed his party members to vote in favor of reforming the grand coalition with chancellor angela merkel's party however the agreements could leave the anti migrant party alternative for germany as the main opposition force in the country as peter oliver now expects. well this was the result that martin schultz wanted it was the result he campaigned for but it was a visit pleased very worried martin childes waiting for those results that come in he gave
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a speech just before the ballots were cast he said that there were only two options it was either go into coalition with angela merkel's conservative bloc or they'd have to be another election and he was very clear on which one he prefers you know you know you everyone should realize the question is coalition talks are you elections my take on this is very clear i don't think you elections are the right way for us but what would a coalition do for the ballistae how would the vote of the stag look if a new grand coalition can be formed well what it would do is it would meet at the social democrats who are no longer the largest opposition party that would go to the new kids on the block alternative for germany they would be the largest opposition party they would also get all of the or perks and traditions that come along with that including being the chair of the bundestag budget committee all new ground for the right leaning and t. establishment party
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a party in fact in which martin schultz and many other senior members of the social democrats have decried as racist before the election in september and said that they shouldn't be taking up seats within the bundestag well in an attempt to try and hang on to power for himself he may well catapult them up into the position of being germany's largest opposition peter all of the reporting world geo political analyst ron ruff first to explain to us why the f.t. has gained so much support. i would say that the union party is after all the c.d.u. has left of the conservative positions of the past they have turned somewhat roughly speaking into an ass. and the ass b.d. has lost much of its political standing because many of the topics were also covered by the c.d.u. so the eight after just came in to fill in. the blank space that.
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has left. well one of the stumbling blocks during the coalition talks has been migration policy with a number of new approaches being tried to ease the crisis the eastern city of corpus is now taken matters into his own hands and banned newcomers altogether the move is in response to several recent incidents for example last week a teenager was stabbed by two syrians and several days before that an elderly german couple was attacked by a group of refugees however local may end up seas of water being blamed for violence at illegal rallies with reports that they have attacked migrants we spoke to people in cops. the states they make it look like a salmon seekers or whoever attacked the germans but there were also cases when it happened the other way around for example three africans were beaten up by a group of germans on new year's eve over the next few days nobody reported and it was only later thanks to the efforts of an activist group it was made public.
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because it's not a solution to the problem not accepting animal migrants doesn't solve the problem we have here and cutpurse in any case people don't feel as safe as they used to there is some insecurity here the system. i think there is a need for action in the city however the way the thought is a dealing with this situation might belittle bit questionable probably they could have looked into this case more deeply to see whether there are other options. and three other communities in the region of lower saxony have also banned migrants to my colleague neil harvey discussed this with bronson he's from the alternative for germany party the only been a handful of attacks by migrants in bursts as well as some on migrants themselves isn't a ban excessive well not to the victims those violent attacks occurs and. there were about three thousand migrants who entered the us and mostly they're young
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males from north africa and syria bringing with them a completely different culture of. conflict resolution. there's a breaking point for even the most tolerant of communities and apparently this breaking point has been reached there sure opinion locals certainly aren't all in support of this ban nobody's saying that any violence is acceptable but some people suggesting you know that there may be more to this than meets the eye maybe six of one half a dozen of the other and that perhaps more options should be explored is that not a good idea. well i'm afraid. that little to no time left to explore other options there's a big tension building up and many communities and cities are simply fed up the german treasury has admitted that in the last year alone more than twenty two billion euros would needed to accommodate these one point five million migrants and this is of course
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a large sum of money to try to explain this to millions of germans who are living on the breadline having two jobs and trying very desperately to make ends meet. national still to come thousands of people in the netherlands have been protesting against the environmental impact of big corporations in the country but have a look at. just up the bright. lights of many clubs over the years so i know the game inside out. the ball isn't only about what happens on the pitch for the final school it's about the passion from the fans it's the age of the super manager. and spending twenty million. it's an experience like nothing else because i want to share what i think what i know about the beautiful game great so what more chance for.
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six minute. here's what people have been saying about rejected and this is a full on. the only show i go out of my way to. the really packs of. yap is the john oliver of our two year marriage to say we are apparently better than. the sea people you've never heard of love redacted the next president of the world bank very. seriously send us an e-mail. welcome back in with r.t. now the dutch city is home to one of europe's richest gas fields but locals are concerned about the environmental impact they blame corporations for numerous
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earthquakes in the area the latest coming within the last two weeks on friday around ten thousand people marched against drilling in the area protesting say the problem has not been taken seriously enough with quite continuing to damage the local infrastructure in fact earlier this month when measured three point four magnitude well the biggest earthquake in the netherlands for five years. we have earthquake damage my home is damaged but in comparison with other citizens that bet my house isn't being held up with braces but i am worried i think it has to do with money and the lack of having good people who know how to deal with processing claims. this problem goes back many years the point is that people have been waiting too long to receive compensation for the damages that have been caused because they have been waiting too long for the drilling to stop it needs to happen now makes me sick that ever think it's breaking that no one is taking direct action
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. well university of groningen has that published its own study to into the issue drilling and it does claim there's a direct connection between drilling in the northern gas fields and also those earthquakes specialists are also concerned about layers of sandstone in the region which they say could eventually lead to yet more tremors happening well the solution hasn't been found for decades and this map to show also the number of earthquakes that have hit the region we can see to that they've been occurring in those northern gas fields where the fault lines are concentrated in that's an area where around sixty thousand people currently live the dutch economy minister says if the government had taken the problem more seriously production could have been cut in half since twenty thirteen or their response activists believe that those measures wouldn't have been sufficient they're pumping gas out of our soil for decades now. in the beginning there were also earthquakes but they just denied it
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it's not an earthquake it's an airplane going going to more it's something else but the last years it's obvious that there are real earthquakes. what worries us very much putting gas out of our soul is easy money. the government owns a lot of it and also exxon mobil and chill in the last. we are like a modern colony you do those and we don't like that hurt all so it has to stop. families in the west african country of mali still searching for answers over french airstrike that allegedly killed eleven million soldiers that were being held hostage it has been more than two months since the strike and officials from both sides still have conflicting versions of what happened r.t. has spoken to some of the relatives demanding the trick. my nephew was taken
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prisoner during the attack on the no power security post there were people dead people wounded and people missing. i ask for anyone who can help us get out of here don't leave us in this place. the french intervened to destroy a jihadi camp during this intervention eleven million soldiers lost their lives. the operations are good so that's there is training camp and at no time was the presence of mali soldiers established. there were eleven hostages found on this site and all of them died during this operation one day they tell us that the hostages were there during the bombing and the next day they tell us otherwise. libya wanted to say that their
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levon mali and hostages that were at this site had joined the jihadi movement we consider that to be an insult to the memory of these men who lost their lives in the service of the nation. they were indeed hostages of terrorists and there should not be any ambiguity between our friends france and. area phone me saying that after checking they found no evidence as to whether car is dead or alive while waiting to receive news regarding our son but just to give you a bit of background to all of this france got involved in the conflicts back to back in twenty fourteen after militants took parts of the country and around four thousand french troops are involved in an anti terror operation that is still ongoing also just a week ago u.k. agreed to bolster the campaign with its helicopters.
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finally doing the household chores isn't exactly everybody's cup of tea although one russian cosmonaut might beg to differ because these pictures coming up a cent from the international space station showing him whoring around on a vacuum cleaner. the clock is having fun and that's how the news looks i did i hear not say we're going to have more few in just over half an hour don't forget though there's also plenty on our website and you can find that. what politicians do something to. put themselves on the line. to get accepted or
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rejected. so when you want to be president. or somehow want to be rich. to do like the press that's what before three in the morning can't be good but i'm interested always in the waters of my house. i should. say this is harlan kentucky. oh this move from boise you could walk through st fanny's. a co money city it was almost no coal mines left. the jobs are gone all the coal miners the said. that it was a laugh to see these people the survivors of a world disappearing before their eyes. i remember thinking when i was younger
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that if anything ever happened to the coal mines here that it would become a ghost town but i never thought in a million years i would see that and it's happening it's happened. bit coy my dear year again better pick one of mine under it not to brag here that this was their your choice of a team to go to all kinds of crazy eyes and yeah it sure did are experiencing a bit of a fall back. on the stand. over them with a small. i know this that i know are true but the there are rather a profit off the floor for them because of that. i'm
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allow him to suffer and go on sophie shevardnadze attentions and societies sometimes reach a boiling point if not taken care of leading to revolutions how do they work and are they enjoyed of all i ask professor jack goldstone scholar of revolutions forward consultants to the us government and professor of public policy at the george mason university. when politicians ignore those they govern and the people's discontents becomes intolerable politics spills out from parliament chambers into the streets and. squares but what does it take to get from a peaceful protest to an uprising a revolution just toppling governments really bring about the end of people screaming what happens after everybody is successful. professor jack
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goldstone really great to have you on our program today welcome thank you very nice to be here by so let's start with tunisia i remember it was seen as sort of an arab spring poster child now seventy years on the sea or has started yet with new protests and people are saying hardly anything has changed why is it as a success story well if you compare the conditions in tunisia to those in libya or syria or yemen it still looks great by comparison revolutions in general are messy uncertain if you look at the situation in ukraine after the two thousand and fourteen revolution the transitions are all difficult at least tunisia is not in a civil war get to ukraine but if we talk particularly about tunisia because that's where the arab spring started. in comparison everything is different but if we talk in particular about tunisia the nothing has really changed within the borders of
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tunisia for the batter i mean well i wouldn't say nothing has changed you have groups that are now active in politics that previously were shut out you have different coalitions forming what you don't have is a kind of idealized utopian transition to denmark right you don't take a country that was middle income corrupt and authoritarian and instantly create a somehow rich modern peaceful country it takes a long time to complete that transition tunisia is having problems that's to be expected but it has not yet collapsed and that is worth applauding. so if you look at the arab world that's only home to like five percent of the world's population yet in accounts to how awful the terrorist attacks that take place in the whole world. and there's still so much power d. and so much instability young people are growing more and more unhappy
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do you think there is a chance of the new our brand new red welt well wherever there is injustice and deep inequality there's always a chance of a revolt people get angry about injustice they will tolerate poverty they will tolerate slow progress if they think their government is working in their interests but once they believe the government is no longer. taking care of them in any way if the government officials are simply enriching themselves you have the risk of revolt and i think certainly throughout the arab world that risk will continue. but just in a nutshell if we assess the whole arab spring that took place seventy years ago would you say it brought the region for. region any good or were pretty much where we started off i would say the results are mostly negative but again you could've said the same thing about the french revolution and seven hundred eighty nine it started off with great ideals and it plunged the entire continent into war
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the nature of revolutions is they nurture wonderful dreams they often run into difficult painful realities but in the long run of history revolutions often serve the role of creating a change creating a space for something new to develop we don't know how long that will take revolution and we don't know what kind of change it will be no we don't in that sense a revolution is like giving birth you don't quite know ten or twenty years down the line what type of person your child will grow up to be but you need to have birth in order to have change so you brought up ukraine and all these the revolution in ukraine. big hopes and now people are looking back and they're saying the situation is so bad we might as well have a new revolution so i was wondering if revolution happens ones i mean durables destabilize country to a point where the country is prone to fall back into this arrest time and time
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again one of the difficulties with color revolutions is they are peaceful relatively but because no deaths i don't mean no deaths i mean you don't have a kind of mass terror and civil war it's hard to have a revolution without a some number of people a few dozen a few hundred maybe even a few thousand but the great revolutions killed anywhere from. tens of thousands to millions so the color revolutions are more peaceful by comparison but they also tend to be less complete in the changes they bring you don't have a new government that completely extinguishes its enemies you don't have a new government that develops new sources of revenue or new ways of doing business that's rather a partial change and for that reason there are a lot of problems that remain unsolved and there's always a risk of going back there is what i call a partial or incomplete change that has the potential for regression or for further
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progress but in either way is not yet complete so what does it take for a successful revolution our relations just lucky revolts i mean does it take more than a clean siddons and angry population to make it a successful revolution or there's much more to it if it was that easy there'd be more revolutions in history than there are in order to overthrow a regime it does take popular discontent and popular mobilization but it also requires actors with it in the leadership of the regime who feel that the regime is no longer serving the national interest you need people in the military or the bureaucracy or both who are willing to see the regime change otherwise they would be able to put down a popular revolt that did not have support at higher levels some one talk about america a little bit because there's also a rise in more radical movements like we see the black lives matter there is the ultra right and the other flank i mean this groups aren't exactly prone to dialogue
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and compromise they're actually quite uncompromising is there a chance that they could actually radicalize american politics or it's a thing that will pass well if you talk to a lot of people in america they feel our politics have already been radicalized democrats and republicans are not talking to each other that much president donald trump seems to be something different he's not a conventional republican. he's certainly not friends with the democrats he seems to represent something else at what he calls the voice of the forgotten people by which he means rural small town america which is not being well served by the forces of globalization automation meritocracy and so we essentially have a radical popular movement aiming to restore something like the america post world war two when america felt it seemed the dominant country in the world that's what a lot of americans long for some sort of movements that which is cited to party and
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yes and also the black clad matter and the frank do you feel like they have a real chance of succeeding and getting somewhere with being at the helm of the country well black lives matter is succeeding in bringing police reform there are a lot of people who are quite distressed and we now require police to wear cameras when they carry out arrest so we have a record of what's happened but let me point to another radical movement and that is the hash tag me to a movement to say the traditional ways that men have interacted with women are not going to be accepted anymore yes we live in a patriarchal society but that does not mean men in power can impose their will on women or men who are their juniors and this has led to the downfall of some extraordinarily wealthy and powerful white men in america who thought they were untouchable so i'm thinking massive protests in the united states that have taken place in recent years like there are millions marching against war in iraq. a lot
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of people writing against police killing of black people unjustly. sit ins at the caught up pipeline and really they brought nothing why is that why are the protests of today weaker than let's say those of the sixty's because they really made ground it's a very good comparison i grew up with the riots of the sixty's and they had an enormous impact. civil rights women's rights and of course ending us involvement in vietnam right now the movements that we're seeing tend to be specific to a particular cause as you said stop a pipeline here deal with police brutality focus on women's problems now the great thing about america is when people want to express themselves they have the right to protest to assemble to create sit ins disruptions and that has always been a healthy part of american politics it's less effective now because the people who are looking for change have not come together in
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a broad national movement instead you have a number of limited movements now in american history when there was a time of major changes the little movement sometimes coming together and produce a big outcome i think that was the case in the one nine hundred sixty s. it may be the case in twenty eight teen if there is a transformative democratic wave that leads to electoral change perhaps we'll see movements come together but we don't know yet all i can tell you is there is potential but so far it remains divided so you've said many times that actually people need to come out in the street and protest time to time to remind the government what they want and why they're unhappy but shit this is and overthrowing the government of these protests are for instance ignore it that the government no of course not the advantage of a democracy is that people can vote to change the government without having to overthrow it in the streets and indeed one could argue that the election of donald
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trump was a major protest against both of the mainstream political parties by people who felt we need a huge big change and they could accomplish that at the ballot box even though voting is often supported by popular organization and demonstrations the two essentially are i think complimentary parts of democracy they're not widely different. so if you look at riots and revolution is generally right people who actually can't get themselves to get up from the couch go out in the street and protest and you know be very adamant about it are the active wants right right but that they salant majority majority of the country they're just too lazy to go out and they sit at home or maybe they're not lazy but we don't know what they think so how is it fair to judge by going to mass protests as an expression of a whole country well lazy is not a good description unless you've gone out and interviewed people in the.

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