is the over arching sensibility in washington today in terms of strategy is one of tremendous anxiety and insecurity now and so a grandstanding strategy a grandstanding strategy that looks like it's doing things that looks aggressive like the war on isis it's all a wonderful kind of demonstration and display the u.s. is not going to risk a big war with either china or russia but it will grandstand hence the ten thousand or so barrett fifty caliber sniper rifles to ukraine is grandstanding the same with rocket man in north korea it's a way of the u.s. boasting forcefully but what i would bring home i think is the contrast between forceful boasting of trump and the very much more successful forceful boasting of teddy roosevelt and the difference is that teddy roosevelt was announcing america's

debut on the world stage and america had forty percent of the world's manufacturing today it's absolutely the opposite in terms of trends and direction ok let me go to christopher christopher year in iraq war veteran i mean if i could just ask you personally i mean it seems like we have a continuation of this mentality of empire in i mean for iraq it's been a disaster for afghanistan it's always a disaster but and you know and what's happening in syria hear it but we don't seem to learn any lessons here you would there you see that what the problem is here. right i think there's a few different issues i want to try to address as many as i can i think that we're omitting several different things here we're overlooking several different things for one i think the president's actually moving away from nation building we're trying to get for example the iraqi security forces and the iraqi military's had significant gains against isis we've been trying to empower them to take the reins and to be able to do that kind of fighting themselves we've also admitted the fact

that we've decimated the leadership of isis we've kept them in a constant state of confusion we've killed the some of bin laden there's several strategic victories that have occurred along the way we also for getting the u.s. military provide significant foreign aid to our allies we still provide a blanket of security across europe we're protecting south korea we've been in a global leadership role for decades and those kinds of. there's no let me trying to immediately put the united states that may be trying to assist me to intervene here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on washington's new defense strategy stay with our. was but with. your.

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you we're discussing washington's new defense strategy. ok let me go back to philip and percival right before we went to the red cross who is talking about our alliance as well you know alliances are a transmission belt for war we've seen this historically and i'm thinking of the situation that the united states is facing with its nato ally turkey and turkey is a legally invaded syria and you know all of the entanglements that the u.s. has found itself there with the kurds and whatnot and it's a nato ally here i mean and then we had not too long ago we had a russian jet that was shot down by the turks then you have you know you know you have this article five kick in here it seems to me the united states is very dangerously involved in a potential war that it doesn't want to fight and then we can bring up the issue of

north and south korea you know what they're talking that's a good start isn't it and then we have this bluster coming out of washington that maybe it's not enough i mean the south koreans probably know best about their defense than anyone else go ahead philip. yeah well i have i have to agree with the your premise which is essentially that america's alliances have in many ways outlived their usefulness the. russia does not threaten the united states does not really threaten eastern europe it has a sphere of influence like every other country but this does not amount to a threat and nato is dangerous in a way because nato could very much involve the united states in a shooting war where it doesn't want to be in it. and i would i would comment on the situation between turkey and syria turkey is indeed attacking syria but turkey has an interest in syria the terrorism problem and the kurdish problem for turks is very real the united state is illegally in syria so the united states shouldn't be

throwing stones at at anyone when it comes to the situation currently in syria and this whole concept of a of a thirty thousand man border guard is just totally ridiculous the turks let it happen the syrians won't let it happen and then the iraqis won't even let it happen well you know michael you mentioned ukraine earlier here i mean what explain because i don't understand it what is in the national interest of the united states of america to be giving offensive weapons to ukraine when we know and our viewers that have been watching crosstalk over the years know the importance of the minsk accord ok it's not perfect but it's certainly slowed things down cooled things down now we have legislation that is not reported in western media that the ukrainians have walked away from it unilaterally and now they're very happily taking offensive arms we have to be honest here the prospect of me and russian war is very real

folks it's very real but you wouldn't know that and you would know that by reading magazines report go ahead michael the u.s. . that its alliances both nato and its key alliances in east asia in the western pacific are like lifelines to america's claim to germany so it is to american advantage to stir the pot in eastern europe and to create a situation where you know poor. helpless ukraine is being threatened with with deep violence by you know this is an old metaphor going back to world war one frankly in the germans in belgium and it's a way for the u.s. to maintain the saliency of its position in europe which it no longer has

economically and it in the instance of good relations with russia would would not exist in in the strategic sense but because european states especially germany are unwilling to. spend the money they need to on defense to do it themselves which they could easily easily then the u.s. is by creating yes i mean the germans could simply double their defense budget and it would be no larger percentage of their g.n.p. than it was during the cold war but the key here is that the u.s. is able to have it both ways it's able to assemble a kind of crisis in which the u.s. is the absolutely essential partner and its leadership is on question and frankly it can do that because of the general disinterest by germany in stepping up to

taking over the leadership role in europe when it comes to strategic issues the u.s. is doing the same thing in asia with japan and japan is willing to be there as the side. of the u.s. under all circumstances and therefore the us is playing the same game using the fruits of its absolute victory over germany and japan in world war two to continue what will increasingly be the fiction of us world power in the future not not tomorrow but but fifteen years from now look at chris around i'm michael brings up a very good point i mean if you look at the g.d.p. of the european union is vast ok.d. equals the united states and japan certainly isn't a poor country by any standard south korea is what for its size and population is remarkably successful and very rich by the way why can't they just carry their load

for their own security just because what did what does the us get out of it i mean if something happens in the us you think everyone's going to come to the us is aid from europe and south korea and japan i don't think so why would they go ahead. i think that's a great point i think president trump is challenge to nato and europe to put more financial resources into their own defense and i think that would be a thing that we should be supporting but i want to go back a step i think we're still continuing to emit many many different factors for example you know we sort of discuss the u.s. in this sort of dystopian light and the tone and this this vision people want to come to the united states people are risking their lives to try and they're dying trying to get out of places like north korea where their governments and their the way they behave is absolutely zero freedom no freedom of the press extremely dystopian and in the case of iran you have an entire government that's stacked with clergy that's frankly extremely. if you speak christiane that i mean if you're a second you know but that has nothing to do with the defense of the united states

you're talking about values and i suppose that's all fine but has nothing to do about protecting the solver and country of the united states the state department should deal with these other issues here ok i mean i'm i'm serious i mean it sounds nice but it has nothing to do with defense here let me go to philip you know philip i was doing a little bit of research before this program you know i was looking at you know republican senator robert taft when nato was started and he was for he was saying you know why should we get involved in this alliance because then we lose the right to declare war we're giving it over to an organization that you had mike mansfield and the in the one nine hundred seventy s. under the nixon and ford administrations he was heavily lobbying for ending american presence in europe because the war has been over there rich they can take care of themselves the reason why i'm bringing up this boring history for everyone is that where is the debate in the public in the media about what is being said in madison this report there's almost none i mean i read

a lot of the reviews it's just well he this is what he said but there's no there's no distilling of what he's talking about it just passes it on is that these people are just in the media and don't question anything that is being written we are questioning it honestly on this program go ahead philip. yeah it's quite astonishing i mean the stories the stories on on this paper and on the comments by matt has disappeared within forty eight hours or hardly covered at all and yet this is as i said in the beginning this is a formula for off and this is a formula for the united states to exercise its leadership by military offensive and this is quite outrageous and also the question that way we haven't had one thing that happens against states that don't have them chris or you want to jump in there go ahead sorry christopher jump in there is where is worse where is philip worse russia north korea missile testing in north korea threatening. and making

these aggressive stances does russia support north korea's continued nuclear proliferation and i can watching i can't identify and i can answer that question very clearly christopher if you had watched the proceedings that the united nations security council when there was a vote against north korea in which china and russia did participate and did vote for the sanction they also offered in alternative a freeze for a freeze if you go back you can watch it it's on you tube it's very thoughtful it's very thorough but you had all of the other countries saying north korea bad ok well i'm sorry that's not very intellectual it's not very helpful ok so i would answer you but russia and china have been extremely helpful in trying to diffuse those tensions but it doesn't get any coverage in the media because that's not what people want to hear go ahead christopher. you know what should be covered i mean that's

a fair point there should be more coverage but you look at these these oil transfers that china is in a position to really do a lot more of i think there's a lot of opportunity and a lot of optimism is different get someone who does this to united states sit down with the north koreans and have a conversation what's so hard about doing that you could actually say we went the extra mile instead of this rocket man nonsense that's not helpful ok if the united states really wants to show it's responsible in the world was it sit down and talk seriously if it doesn't like the deal walk away from it but at least you talked go ahead i'm just i'm just saying the obvious that's a fair point that's a fair point but i think i think we have a pro what we have a president that wants to see some results and i think unfortunately a lot of our goodwill and a lot of our diplomacy has had diminishing returns when you look at for example the iran deal and other things we were able to get a little bit of cooperation but we have is continued nuclear proliferation continued talk of aggression and the u.s. is continuing to provide foreign aid to continue to fund our our allies in europe

and these sorts of other things so i think those talks should happen and i believe the u.s. is opening to talk to north korea but we need to see a sort of tone and center of cooperation and we're continuing to see boasting of continued nuclear proliferation in the region and remember that offensive curity strategy that's our document for us i there's nothing in there that is overtly offensive it is a document that is reaffirming our perspective well building up the military i mean christopher liberating relationship you're right christopher is written about the united states for the united states but the whole world is watching and and the reaction from a lot of capitals is this is a very aggressive in a continuation of an aggressive foreign policy the world does react to the most powerful country in the world are gentlemen i'm sorry we've run out of time many thanks to my guests in washington and in personal and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at the see you next time and remember crosstalk.

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the. president added one val's to expand the turkey's military offensive in syria to the town of. risking a potential confrontation with us back forces. us democrats that claim russian bonds are responsible for a social media campaign to release a potentially explosive congressional members. and the exclusion of many clean russian athletes from the upcoming winter olympics triggers an outcry in the sporting world. are broadcasting live direct from our studios in moscow this is our two international incheon thomas certainly glad to have you with us and the turkish

president has announced a plan to extend his country's military operation against kurdish forces in syria turkish troops are currently fighting the y p g an african and well now be advanced to mung beach an area controlled by u.s. backed kurdish fighters. operation we've launched remember all of branch. of terrorist successfully underway starting from members we will continue for when we games which are being played along our borders and we will cleanse our region completely of this trouble. what we're hearing from the turkish president is that he will now extend his military operation in northern syria to include the town of man bridge which is around one hundred kilometers to the east of afrin which is where for the past few days the turkish military has been battling it out with syrian kurds who are backed by the united states now once the turkish military moves into man bridge this could potentially put the turkish army in direct

conflict with the forces belonging to a major turkish nato ally namely the united states washington is known to have some two thousand special forces on the ground in syria and while none of them are thought to be in the afrin area they are deployed amongst various kurdish enclaves that include the town of man bridge now man bridge is controlled by u.s. backed kurdish syrian fighters at the same time we are hearing from the turkish president that more than two hundred and fifty syrian kurds as well as islamic state fighters have been killed by the turkish army and allied forces in the past few days these figures are being disputed by the kurdish side who is also accusing and career of civilian casualties this despite the fact that we are hearing from turkey that they are trying to avoid civilian deaths as far as possible now the

american president donald trump has called for and is urging a deescalation and a limit in the military operation that and create is conducting in northern syria all of this came to a head over the past few days after the united states and now. and that it was training and establishing a border security force that would comply as some thirty thousand personnel most of them could be deployed along the beach so we and the iraqi border and from what we're hearing on the ground we do expect the military operation to grow and no doubt the casualty count will intensify a major procrit ish rally has taken place in the syrian city of karbala against the turkish offensive in africa hundreds took to the streets carrying the flag of kurdistan people at the gathering also voiced their concerns over the u.s. role in syria. i mean you american stance in the region is unclear unfortunately

u.s. is using the kind of islamic state i saw in syria and iraq kurdistan the largest terrorist organization in the world and we did that for the sake of global security when we got rid of i saw the war started supporting those who fight in the kurdish people so it's a shameful stance by the americans. i mean do you think there will be support from u.s. forces to the west of ukraine particularly you know. i don't think. international relations professor hussein bagchi gave us his views on turkey's growing military presence in syria the expectation was that turkey in a very short period controlled area. and. stop clearing up turkish decision to extend the operational command which probably will last a little bit longer and the president talked to the president. donald trump the american side was insisting on about turkey is not going to stand the operation and

what is more important. causality is should not be thought this is somehow a warning by the americans for the president i think. the confrontation between turkey and the nicest of america is getting more and more likely. that the turkish soldiers move face the american soldiers supporting you why did he probably . the turkish government. under the constitution into account but first of all the operation in africa should be finished and should be completed i do not expect at the moment that turkey is undertaking operation direction command which. just weeks to go until the winter olympics in south korea more russian athletes are now expecting their dreams of competing to be dashed the

international olympic committee has sent a list of eligible participants to russia and it excludes many athletes who have never failed a doping test. tensions in the sports world are hitting another high as the i.o.c. has confirmed that the number of russian athletes that are eligible to compete in the upcoming winter olympics is to be reduced now unexpectedly and without explanation now the full list of who is eligible has not yet been released but the russian olympic committee has disclosed a number of names that are thought to be who will be disqualified and that decision is ruffling feathers not only in russia but abroad as well a french sports outlet has published a article online condemning the disqualification of two athletes in particular we will not be embarrassed to speak about a denial of justice. and are banned from the olympics because they participated in the sochi games both have undergone hundreds of anti doping controls since two thousand and fourteen and dozens more in recent months control is carried out

abroad controls carried out by independent bodies by federations and analyzed throughout europe never in russia the result over the last four years a biathlete has never tested positive. point in the is a by athlete who brought a gold home from sochi and he and his team mates. or leaders of team russia and were both two main hopefuls for winning medals and south korea as well they're both world champions and in all of their years competing neither has ever tested positive for doping and that's one of the reason the the decision as an injustice the tone of this editorial will not please everyone that's obvious but there are still questions about the integrity of the decision makers since when can we condemn in this and sportsman to punish the guilty is obvious to ban the russians that don't go for the rest no the i was he has promised to publish the full list of eligible athletes on sunday just a mere two weeks before the start of the games leaving an appeal unlikely and that

means that a number of russian athletes who are still reeling from the fact that they will not be able to compete under their own flag will now be hit with another blow others said to be excluded from the list are prominent. hockey players and figure speed skaters again all of whom have never tested positive for doping and yet they will not be forced to watch the games from the sidelines with forty three other other teammates who have been hit by a band earlier and another gold medalist who is also thought to be excluded speed skater victor on what he thought korean by birth which means that his dreams of competing in his home country are looking rather dim at this point and while condemnation of the decision has continued to flow in but unlikely to change the i.o.c. is mind. you number of international athletes as well as the heads of olympic committees have condemned the banning of athletes who've never tested positive for banned substances the head of the bulgarian olympic committee says everyone who broke the rules must be punished by the measures taken against russian athletes have been politically motivated one french biathlete has also said he believes the finger is

being unfairly pointed at the whole country and the international union head has claimed that the organization has not been involved in the decision making process russian athletes from seven different disciplines are said to be missing from the list of eligible competitors. including five prominent russian short track speed skaters three champions and a two time world champion a cross-country skier none have ever tested positive for doping a number of russian ice hockey players bob sliders and figure skaters who didn't even participate in the sochi two thousand and fourteen olympic games are also missing from the list of those eligible to go some sports unions and federations have already demanded that the i.o.c. clarify its decision the i.o.c. head was claimed it wanted or has claimed that it wanted to give way to a quote clean generation. the i.o.c. wanted to give clean russian athletes the opportunity to participate and give

a young and new generation of clean russian athletes the opportunity to be at the olympic games and be ambassadors for a new clean russian sport we ask former sweden hockey center anders karlsson and canadian hockey coach scott macpherson for their views on the exclusion of russian athletes i think it's awful i think russia should go with the best team because they have the best hockey players out side the show and it's going to be sad for the tournament but the best russian it's not to think that they have to be able to do it a little older so they don't affect just like three four weeks before the olympics so it's that's a big. might think it's somewhat misguided in that i think most of the players on the russian olympic team or the athletes from russia team that are going to be in korea they were.