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well welcome to sophie and callum sophie chevre knots at brad seems to have been dealt with in iraq. but does that mean he's will finally come to the war torn country by my guest today as well as i am member of the iraqi parliament and former national security advisor to the iraqi government. as the last islamic state fighters into the desert from the advancing iraqi forces that is jubilant to claim victory over the threat but as bombs go off on the streets of a cop so it's clear we haven't seen the last of the terror group how dangerous is the backlash from isis when will it finally be subdued and what can a rock do to make sure it never comes back. dr. yeah welcome to the show it's

really great to have you on our program now iraqi prime minister all about a declared victory over islamic state in december but the u.n. says valid extremism can re-emerge the focus of an allowed analysis was on islamic states former strongholds in northern iraq which require urgent stabilization you're a member of the iraqi parliament what is the situation is it really all over all rosy brighter future and if so why is the u.n. fear mongering. well it depends how do you define victory. if victories mean. military victory yes we have inflicted this. huge shit. defeat on isis in iraq and we got them driven out of iraq and the last three it took it took us there three years to drive them out of iraq but it. victory is not the only military.

the there is no security. the security need to be addressed in a more broader. this is it the counterterrorism is an intelligence led war and we need to build up our intelligence agencies we need to built our human. intelligence our signal intelligence. and surveillance and and so on and so forth so we need to do that that to really declare security victory not only military victory and the threat to be quite honest with you the threat is not only military threat is not only security but as not to an economy right. at the threat and the challenge is

an ideological challenge. people are talking about political inclusion and so on and so forth but it is. and ideological challenge need to be addressed and it would take probably decades not years to declare victory on an ideological challenge of militancy of terrorism of right because not only ideologically but the iraqi soldiers are fighting i.a.s. and provinces that have been declared liberated for a while there are spots near syrian borders that are under iraqi control at all now as claims to be behind regular bombs in iraq so is it too early to say that isis has been defeated militarily they may well be a church with the right in the right time if that is an intelligence gap if there is a security breach if there is a military if you like set back in the country or if it is the

security him and political polarization comes buck if they come back then that will . provide the right circumstances that i think vitamin for the for isis to emerge again the iraqi government's previous mistakes lead to sunni's turning to extremism many times before can we count on the iraqi government not to get it right this time what it said to citizens i don't think honestly you can blame the iraqi government only probably some of the policies of the previous government and this government and the government before even before. you can blend on these are these policies or these. might be blamed but i think it's all over simplification to blame one single factor.

in all that my opinion of the union took that is so tolerant i am just sad that sectarian violence is something that actually can make isis strong again. that is what i mean well. i says it is as i said it's not a security phenomena is not a military phenomenon only as daughter of the group of people are this franchise or disenchanted economy cleo or politically so you do some you inject some political some some cash in the local economy of this province or that province and it will be sorted out or if you do political inclusion on some of the faction which he fears the marginalized and it will be sorted out no isis is global phenomena isis is an ideological challenge this is called salafism

wahhabism jihadism you call it whatever you do you like to call it this is this one of the manifestation of this is in iraq called isis and in syria it called out and in nigeria called book iran and in pakistan and afghanistan called taliban or al qaida or in south yemen for example is called something else and in somalia called out shabab so this is money to stay shipment of. of the. behind as jihadism is. and these are physical manifestation of the same ideology i understand your point and i tend to agree with that but since i'm talking to you we can't talk about for the whole world so let's talk about what's going on iraq iraq a parliamentary committee saying that isis smuggled hundreds of millions of dollars

when it retreated from the country moreover the terror group even invest directly into the iraq economy laundering its money and taking cuts from legitimate business profits. what i have to say about that why is the iraqi government allowing this to happen well i think the iraqi government need to tighten the news and tighten this. screw on on the fund then on the financial. transfer from one bank to another they need to apply a lot of international rules of the i.m.f. and world bank and and and and the european union. how they have to apply this on the iraqi banking system and the iraqi financing see it financial financial system a to stop blackmailing for example that the isis used to take

a margin of all the government contracts given to the private sector and still some what some of the militias some of the mafia some of the of going to criminals are still using doing this see you hit you hit. a very important point terrorism feed. corruption and corruption feeds terrorism and this is a vicious circle that's why the fighting terrorism need to go hand in hand with fighting corruption with the with fighting corruption well you've just hit it on the nose out i'm sure you know this politician a mission algebra or e he's your colleague iraqi politician from the parliamentary anti-corruption committee now he says everyone in the government is corrupt even admitting to taking breaks in bribes himself how can the rocky government go after isis isis

finances if they can all be so easily bright. this is very unfortunate. this is this is the really depressing i don't agree with the fun with it with the with what what was the with the gentleman you mentioned his name said the old iraqi government old a member of parliament are corrupt that is totally untrue i can tell you the there are so many as several members of parliament several of government officials who are honest nationalist iraqi patriots and we are proud of them center of not you know set several of them but that makes a whole lot of other politicians who can be easily bribed right i can't deny that corruption is it has been institutionalized if you like in the in the ministries. there are several. ministers that are seven

a corrupt member of parliament that are several government officials are corrupt. and the the corruption is hard is until as well i was there to call and the government of iraq and the prime minister need to declare. that the real fight to be a war against corruption and fighting corruption need to you need to have a strong political will well it's positive and it has wronged honest justice system because trust airstrikes how's are going to happen because troops in airstrikes they can be defeated they can they they can defeat an enemy but co-option and inefficiency is that is actually what makes the enemy reappear like you said right in either the americans nor the iranians can make sure iraq does a good job governing itself it has to take care of itself is the country doomed to see another uprising in the future with such an inefficient government or isn't

miracle going to happen i mean when you say prime minister has to be strong. official start doing their jobs and stop stealing money what has to happen for that well i think get out of the things you need to provide. to fight corruption one is a strong political will second this is strong leader. on the top of the government you need a very strong good honest legal system. and also executive system. police and and. unfortunately the corruption is it is widespread and you need to tackle this and with the government need to do a lot of. good to do this. fighting a you need to also investigate of system you need we need to probably help from the

outside world as well because. a lot of our a lot of ministries are politicized and in bill clinton ated a lot of our institutions are been politicized and belong to this party or other party so we need professional government professional ministers professional government officials. honest people and strong to it and there's this is a very good golden opportunity for the next general election which is the in may this year this is a very good did opportunity for our people to choose the right on a strong member of parliament to produce a strong government to fight corruption all right we're going to take a short break right now over back we'll continue talking to dr. rebuy yeah member of the iraqi parliament and a former national security adviser discussing the situation and post isis iraq stay with us.

join me every thursday on the all excited i'm sure when i'll be speaking to give us a little the public picks for this list i'm sure both of those i'll see a. lot of muscle be another touchy for bill next year just simplified plucked out the four years older and don't let a couple bring in a fifty percent tax rate across the board want to be the best possible solution to the. you know question in the us.

way back what doctor of the west by you and member of the iraqi parliament and the former national security adviser talking about post i says iraq and the middle east . now and there are a box five thousand five hundred u.s. trained and assists troops in iraq currently that isis is no more serious military force should they stay or should they go are iraqi forces fully capable of maintaining security by themselves. we need. american help american military help only air force over the last

four years we honestly we don't need and the guns force from from and the any and the country in the world including the united states of america. what we need we need. not a fighting force. and the number of american troops now in the country is doing and of with their own admission they said it's just under ten thousand i don't i don't think we need this more than the few hundred to how plus in training i believe. there's ready to go back home i think as far as we're concerned we don't we will not need any and the and we will we said this right from there one i really don't. want to have you for i remember you saying back in twenty fourteen and you were

very forcefully saying that there should be no forum but it's only ground in iraq during this war. there is always the foreign boots on the ground in iraq whether you want it or not the americans to iranians the turks so is it ok for you to see for him what's on the ground at this point then if not that what should they be asked to leave right away how does that work. i beg to differ with you mom i said from day one four four years ago we will need it we will not need any fighting force on the ground because we want to have the credit and the honor of liberating our own territory with our own iraqi security forces but going back to your question there are no military force. a myth from iran on the. absolutely no iranian military

force on on the iraqi an iraqi territory this is number one now number two the turks have been illegally. present up north in the in and one of the come the military come and we have asked them and we have requested that and we said this is important of the iraqi sovereignty. independence you should leave and i think they should leave a soon as possible they we don't need them we have never used them we have no need to do we've never asked them to come to the country while on the in the on the contradiction or that the iranians we have asked them to send us some advisors and they have some just some advisors some some some plain those and we've we've used them on did we go back home these are we're talking about hundreds less than the

hundreds of iranian advisors and military. military trainers in iraq but compared to the several thousand just under ten thousand of americans that's a completely different kettle of fish mom ok but let's say iran helped save five dots from isis take over and then helped iraq his take was saul send advisors like you've sat they certainly sent materials now that the fight against isis is in its final hour are the iranians just going to go home i mean what kind of gratitude can they call fact they surely didn't just help you out of a good will and we'll ask nothing in return that doesn't work this way. well. came to save baghdad did it with the material they have supplied in a new june two thousand and fourteen when they separated it within twenty four hours. the and also they have send the advisors to the country this

as saying those to the the popular mobilization forces so the now they are ready to go back home i don't think we would need them if we if we will if you ask them if we ask them to go back home they will go back home but they are not and the dark out america is not in the police their only in the public but we don't know as human i question was about what's about a different thing what do you think the iranians will ask iraq in return for their help they certainly didn't just help you because they're kind and nice people they will want something in return as a favor while. old most of the material that i've provided and what pins and munitions they have built us for it they send their invoices it and it out because i spent some and is in the process of paying their arrest so this is no not free of charge these are not three b.'s if you like. the the training i don't think that

then it would cost us money or the advice it they would it would not cost us money . of course that out of if you would have fed into the political influence of iran and iraq iran has a vet that are so many friends it. of iran in the iraq and the in the among the shadows and among the sunnis and among the kurds so that the and the iran is the first country which recognize the new iraq after two thousand and three. it on has always said supported the the political process and the constitution if that ike and the seventy of it i. but we have a very intimate relationship with iran with the iran we have. relationship with iran is not only strategic but if you like it symbiotic. i

hear you each country is it is dependent on other but let me ask you more woodchip little question iraq like you sat has a very special relationship with iran almost symbiotic also has a very special relationship with the united states those two countries as of today are at odds and we don't even know what's going to happen with trump being president how will baghdad balance it out i mean and share it receives help from both while there is a very there is a very difference there's a difference between the relationship with iran which is symbiotic and the relationship with the u.s. which is thirty chick we have a started you could. partnership agreement with it with the with the united states of america. this unfortunately they have not since filled it in two thousand and thirteen and two thousand and twelve but they after we are asked. for help in two thousand and fourteen and june two thousand and fourteen after i says don't do the

country and occupy three or four provinces they were reluctant to help was that and they have imposed a political. price for it for that for them and thus change your government changes your policy change your strategy and who come and help you so that not clear the president is going to washington leverage over iraqi decisions how do you stay fully independent when you rely on foreign powers for your security that's a that's a very tricky situation. i certainly agree with you that the only way forward is to build a strong united independent sovereign country to deter the neighbors from any. interference or intervention in our internal affairs and not to not depending on. the international superpower and that

is the way forward the way forward is as an iraqi nationalist strong government united independent sovereign country which is which with their own the country with with our own people and i don't know if you know him it's a cia agent who interrogated saddam hussein and he said that if we're saying remain in power and no isis could have ever popped up in iraq do you still feel now that removing the dictator was really worth all of this like suicide bombing and civil war destruction blood chat when you weigh all the pros and cons ears after. i totally disagree with that terrorism was all over the world well before of the overthrow of saddam hussein since saddam

hussein the that's why i said in the terrorism the the eruption of terrorism in syria and iraq was how out by some of our neighbors because they wanted to bring down the syrian regime and they wanted to bring down the democratic regime in iraq the new democracy in iraq because it's that i can threaten their own government because they see democracy as a catching disease if you like and it crosses the borders without and without the permission without a visa and that's it that's where they were frightened by a dead democracy democracy in iraq and did a freedom of speech in iraq and freedom of thought in iraq and this is new parliamentary system constitutional system in iraq that's why i think the brought it against iraq and they have they have isis with money they have isis was not just

if they're out isis with with and then the how isis with the ideology and it whether on both sides of the border on their own side of the syrian iraqi borders. that's why i say this. in syria first of the going back to iraq. is it time was all right dr all right yeah thank you very much for being with us on this program today and for giving us your point of view. having me we're talking. by iraq's. parliamentary and the former national security adviser discussing iraq's efforts to slide back into bloodshed of carrick's stream is driven out that's it for this edition of.

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