we are the sixth richest nation on earth and yet we've got people sleeping in shop doorways in every town and city in the country every town or city in the country is going desperately wrong where not kind of thing is allowed to happen and you know in many ways is a false economy because there are all sorts of costs to the to the health service in terms of criminal. you know the police and the criminal justice system etc who have to pick up the pieces of a broken system i mean you know the former prime minister david cameron is talk about broken britain i'm going to me all it was broken is broken because of neo liberalism and if it is broken then my goodness me is absolutely smashed to smithereens now of the last eight years of relentless we have many people may agree with you even gordon what you are talking about pharmaceuticals momentum which has been credited with being so important for german corbin's leadership had to come out fighting on the murdoch front pages this week saying we're not going to diesel lect labor m.p.'s i labor m.p.'s that completely disagree with what you've just

said is this way tony blair is now back on the seam every other day talking thinking a lot of his fill in your party ready to take it over i don't think that's a fair characterization actually i mean we've got the democracy review going on right now that's going to be looking at a range of different things about how we elect our leader and so on at the moment the terms of reference don't include how we select our recount if it's for parliament bought that is something which i think if there is lots of representations from party members then i think that's something that they will take on board but the democracy will also be very clear about looking at how we can build this mass movement and how we can integrate the party more ensuite local community so that the labor party isn't you know an institution that does politics to people it does politics with people and i think it's really important we embed the party we are must movement now but we embed it still further into the local communities that we represent and a lot of work is going to be being done on a lot of consultation. at this moment and so on and you know i think about this in

a much stronger much better place because that mass movement will not only help to sweep. jeremy over the threshold of number ten downing street it will then help to sustain is in power when we get there because really thank you. should as chris williams said just britain's multi-billion pound medicine industry nationalize we speak to the good in the video global justice now and u.k. pm tourism a slams jeremy goldman's labor body for its track record in health care at this week's news poll the ball coming up in part two of going underground. yes it was a pretty worthless blog for you. yeah i mean the whole the last election i believe the words we were going to marry were

all suitable for the new stuff and we will push it out so. people thank you from time magazine named you to go on the scots more with you but you could still be you know t.g.v. easy showed the reason you did. the took. the secret of the irish do you can you get other qualities. welcome back well in the first half of the show we spoke to former shadow emergencies minister chris williams a new call for the nationalization of the pharmaceutical industry i'm joined now by

the director of n.g.o.s global justice now nick dearden their report pills and profits looks at whether drug companies are making a killing out of public research nic thanks for going back on the show before we get to what was really observe was talking about tell me about this report well essentially i mean people know i've known for a long time that the pharmaceutical industry is completely dysfunctional if you want to other industry is important medicines to be researched at the lowest price that we can research them but not everyone would be reaching well maybe not but i think that the pharmaceutical industry has had a very bad rap historically and it's fully deserved it and so we thought that we did look into what the situation was now especially bearing in mind all of the news headlines we've had about the n.h.s. going to crisis and so on and of course a lot of that has to do with under-investment in the n.h.s. but some of it is actually to do with the amount of money the n.h.s. is paying for medicines often paying big pharmaceutical companies british swiss and american pharmaceutical companies who are massively over inflating the price of

their medicine give or take a lady we've got the latest figures when did testament develop single company research they have new drugs and of course they're going to i think they've risen in price to the n.h.s. by a third of years because that's a testament to how good they are well that's an interesting statistic you've got that certainly nine percent rise in five years of the amount of money just a rise in the amount of money the n.h.s. pays for its medicines that's that that's the same amount of money more than the amount of money that the n.h.s. deficit comes to so a very very large amount of money for the n.h.s. now you can say well they're producing important drugs of course fine the problem is twofold first of all many of those trucks have actually been researched with our money with taxpayers' money the government hands over money and we use our university system to research we do some of the best research in the world research . new medicines that are vital for saving lives and reducing suffering and and yet we put no conditions on that money that we give to the pharmaceutical industry ultimately because they're the ones that develop the drugs and so they can end up

charging whatever they want essentially whatever the market will stand and we know this because we've got a couple of examples so you look at one drug that was made it treated leukemia but it also treated and was very effective in treating multiple sclerosis now when pharmaceutical company comes in to a company concerned find out about this and they really issued the drug for m.s. for multiple sclerosis and they thought we can charge way more for this than we could for leukemia because the market will stand it and the price rose from something like two and a half thousand pounds for one treatment to fifty five thousand pounds it rose twenty two fold for no other reason than the market will accommodate that and what that means is first of all you're not getting drugs research that we desperately need because there's no profit in it easy to be argue that we should be getting the only one arguing we lost with the other show about subsidizing the arms industry innovate we're subsidizing the pharmaceutical industry but to try and save lives

but if we're subsidizing it let's put conditions on those subsidies or even better let's run it in a public way when using the government doesn't impose conditions give it with all this taxpayer money sloshing around i think it's very similar to it's like what you just said about the arms industry many people say we don't have an industrial policy in this country actually i think we do have an industrial policy we subsidize and support the arms industry and we subsidize and support the pharmaceutical industry via the money we get for research and development and through the n.h.s. and what it means is now we're at a stage where really vital medicines that we all need because our entire medical knowledge depends on them like antibiotics haven't been researched properly because the pharmaceutical companies say we don't want to go near that because there's not enough money to be made at the end of the day we don't want to fall back antibiotic almost no one's going to. by until it comes out of its monopoly status until it loses its patron because we can't make any money on that you reportedly is in the u.k. the second largest subsidize are all of our r. and d. and it's in the developing world we're helping the developing world with its

research sometimes yes but if we really want to help. get those people who desperately need these drugs access to these drugs we need to control the prices the charge and that's what we don't do at the moment we have no control over the pharmaceutical industry we say yes it would be lovely to research these drugs we give subsidies for it sometimes the pharmaceutical industry takes that up but at the end of the day if you don't have any control over how those drugs are going to be marketed and what's going to be charged for them the people who most need them won't be able to get them would you if you're a big pharmaceutical company having been subsidized on a particular meds by the british taxpayer you know we're going to want to price it self so that it won't be available on the n.h.s. you would think so however we see time and time and time again the n.h.s. through a nice body that recommends is this affordable or not as effective or not just right and saying we can't recommend this at this time because it's just too expensive in the british taxpayers subsidize the research exactly of the group of

yes so some of the very drugs that we have researched especially in the early stages and of course that's where the most of the risk comes from and this is an old story isn't it the public sector supports the most risky phases of development an early stage the pharmaceutical companies take that research and they go on and marketed and patent it and so they can charge what they want at the later stages when it's less risky so if you look globally the early stages of research about two thirds of the money comes from public institutions. so great but what that what we then do is give those drugs that medical knowledge to people who essentially have a monopoly over those drugs for the next there was a page of years of drug patient it and that's core to what's wrong with the whole system we hear all sorts about the wonders of the free market and competition and so on but actually here you have an industry we're not talking about the free market competition the tool you're talking about an old fashioned private monopoly

which in through international trade laws with few. tolerate any competition so essentially for twenty years they can do what they want would you admit though that our lawmakers are bulletins need to be hanging out with big pharmaceutical company big wigs to keep an eye on them is that what they're doing with having dinner with the job will go to the bosses my fear is that there's a real parallel you can draw here between the pharmaceutical industry in the financial sector where politicians of course say this is a really important sector for our economy but unfortunately they don't therefore say we need to regulate it tax it and make sure it works in the public liberal as your report claims that the people from the volatile industry are given preferential places on research boards in this country exactly exactly so the whole way the system works including how effective a drug is. you do not have to have proper transparency and accountability for the way you do that research so pharmaceutical companies don't have to release research

that proves their drugs aren't affected if they only have to release the research that proves they are effective so the whole system from top to bottom has been created in the interest of pharmaceutical corporations and when politicians meet with them and stay close to them i fear they're not keeping an eye on them and trying to control them what they're actually doing is it works the other way around they're actually taking their instructions and taking their orders from the men of course pharmaceutical companies as we saw with the banks ten years ago were saying to regulators if you tax us if you try to control us we'll go somewhere else and that's why even a very very senior goldman sachs employee jim o'neill has said if the pharmaceutical industry is not careful in a few years' time it's going to be in exactly the same situation the banks are in today with huge public contempt and hatred for the fact that they have destroyed the medical knowledge of the last hundred years seventy years fifty years. through their monopoly status and through driving for ever higher profits rather than

trying to trying to do something to improve ordinary people's lives you know because of ours because williams and his. the the all of your report is that a factor that has anyway or at least the losses don't go as far as the british labor. because over that it should be i'm happy to go that far i'm happy to say should be nationalized but actually i think it's a i think is a bigger issue than just looking at old fashioned nationalization for example yeah ok the government might take over a pharmaceutical company but i don't really care if the government is involved in researching and marketing suntan lotion for example what i want is the essential medical knowledge that we all rely on to be held in common at a global level i mean this is knowledge that if we are to advance our societies if we're to actually create more equal societies where people don't suffer unnecessarily as they do in their millions today this knowledge needs to be open to wall and that means not just the british government it means we need to find a completely different way of doing this research and development and i hope for those governments that read this in the south because you know there have been governments over the years that have taken on the pharmaceutical companies at great

cost the indian government especially the south african government over the years i hope that this gives them a little bit about munition to say actually is no reason at all why we can't just make exceptions to trade law as they're allowed to do and simply license these drugs for local generic production just briefly until we get to that stage what is someone supposed to do if they're in the western european the united states if private health insurers are offering them cheaper drugs and they should be less proven efficient drugs say here on the national health service being given a drug you can google them now well it was to do when they know they're being given drugs that aren't as modern as they should be. campaign this is a political issue and we need political change is a great organization we've been working with called just treatment which takes patients who've had to crowd source for their own drugs so that they can receive treatment for cancer and so on because the n.h.s. can't afford these drugs they need to campaign and put pressure on and we all know that the press is interested in people who are suffering unnecessarily when the

n.h.s. is unable to provide because. the high prices charged by the pharmaceutical companies so i think this one's got real legs and we see progress in it what i'd like to see a government doing is saying actually this drug is so essential and by the way we helped to fund and research the research for this drug say essentially do the same as india and south africa have done in the past say we don't recognise this monopoly this is too much of an emergency issue a compulsory license and issue generic production and that would give the pharmaceutical industry some pause for thought it need good and thank you well even the bars of westminster that i went to this week seem relatively empty as the british government focuses on brics is arguably to the detriment of other pressing austerity issues facing the people in the vacuum political gossip about britain's foreign secretary boris johnson telling minority leader to resume who was in davos this week to address the crisis in the n.h.s. again currency throughout mainstream media it was something labor leader jeremy corbyn jumped on at this week's prime minister's questions does the prime minister

agree with the foreign secretary that the national health service needs an extra five billion pounds tourism a defacto claims she's bringing six times more than she did to former ulster paramilitary into m.p.'s just stay in power and that the n.h.s. will be putting six billion pounds more international i apparently not the only problem with that mr speaker is it was two point eight billion spread like thin gruel over two years and it wasn't just those figures being fiddled alleged corbin in december the month just gone n.h.s. england recorded its worst ever performances with more patients than ever waiting over four hours now the u.k. statistics authority say the numbers may be worse because the figures have been fiddled fiddling accident in emergency statistics bizarrely to resume answered by pointing to the andy corbin welsh labor party leadership as an example of how poorly he would run the n.h.s. england four hundred ninety seven people were waiting more than twelve hours but

the latest figures on. down to the labor government in wales three thousand seven hundred on. the way. cool been said it was under funding from tory run westminster that was to blame for his party's record in wales labor government wouldn't be underfunding the n.h.s. a labor government funded by n.h.s. the company wouldn't be on the funding social now a labor government would be committed to an n.h.s. free at the point of use as a human right now as a chance logistic elated pm drazen may just as you perhaps said to the foreign secretary twenty four hours earlier said health care was not about cash the only answer he ever comes up with is the question of money given the u.k. health care system is funded in a low a fraction of g.d.p. in france or germany it is arguably all about money it certainly is when it comes to support for lower taxes on the multinationals supporting to raise

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breaking news this hour a nazi international a large explosion rocks the diplomatic district in the afghan capital reportedly killing at least seventeen and injuring over one hundred. the international olympic committee is to reveal today which russian author leads will be allowed to compete in the winter games some of the country's top medal hopefuls have already been bad. donald trump will be visiting the u.k. in the second this year. the u.s. president. or the. british the death of. course is.

headlines live here on our international we do start this hour with breaking news from afghanistan. an explosion in the diplomatic district of kabul has killed seventeen and injured at least one hundred. that's according to reports citing the country's interior ministry the blast. caused by a car bomb and very shortly here on the program we hope to bring you a live report from the city that in just a few minutes. the news this hour in less than two weeks the winter olympics get underway in south korea and later today the international olympic committee is to reveal which russian athletes will be allowed to compete but russia has already had bad news with

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the issue could the survivors of the top dog just restore. with a mobile. team russia was banned from participating in the winter games almost two months ago over allegations of state sponsored doping but clean up leads are being given the chance to compete as neutrals the i.o.c. says athletes who pass the screening procedure will receive a personal invitation to take part now some five hundred russian athletes applied to compete the i.o.c. gave provisional approval to three hundred eighty nine most of these did not compete at the sochi games and twenty fourteen where most of the doping allegations stem from on thursday the committee said it was preparing to approve one hundred sixty nine athletes. now looking at the criteria the i.o.c. used when screening athletes weeks after russia had come to terms with no team russia in korea anyone with even the slightest interest in sport in this country

was baffled dozens of clean washed and star athletes never got their olympic invitations those who'd never been under any suspicion by the sporting federations or even the i.o.c. when they had everyone with a russian passport under the microscope forget about your dream end of story no explanation that could have been the case but the international olympic committee then let us know the seventeen criteria they used if you don't match at least one or rather if there's even doubt about at least one of them you're out. that could be suspicion that could even be an ongoing procedure that could be many factors which did not lead to the satisfaction of the panel the purpose is to invite clean russian athletes for which this panel was certain and has not the slightest doubt or suspicion again seventeen boxes to be taked to get the all clear there's all kinds of things on the list from the infamous scratches on sample bottles to that

obscure final segment additional confidential information provided by wada even one of those gets you a red light but the criteria set by the i.o.c. itself might well race suspicion not only in russia take the first two which essentially unite all the rest by the way being sanctioned by the i.o.c. investigators or any anti-doping rule violation in the past the latest group of russian athletes who found out they're not go and were never involved in any of that another box to take issues revealed by the moscow anti-doping lab database well it's the whistleblower and his team who used to be in charge of it. it was created by the deputy of grigori which includes and had several levels of access until the summer of twenty sixteen it was possible to change any of the data that the world and agency coincide with this back in twenty thirteen it cannot serve as

evidence i've mentioned scratches and marks on sample bottles arguably the most solid proof that however was never shown to the public just like the visual results of the bottle flaw experiments back to the water's mysterious additional data that amounts to intelligence extracted from its whistleblower program and other sources many people in russia would like to know who these sources are and why they should be trusted one more segment additional intelligence provided by the international winter federations i'll tell you what the association that unites these federation said the i.o.c. our request to clarify what's going on some federation official seem to have been racking their brains while the president of the international biathlon union was particularly outspoken it is very sent if there is no direct proof of should pull

into guilt the i.b.u. tested him and numerous occasions and he never tested positive for a banned substance so apparently it's all down to the criteria of choosing the right criteria. russians who compete in the games will have to follow strict rules according to the latest i.o.c. guidelines or they must not participate in any events associated with russia's national symbols such as the flyable the national anthem the same goes for social media the posting of official symbols forbidden and russian athletes are also prohibited from participating in alternative victory ceremonies including any organized by the russian olympic committee russian competitors though they can they are allowed to display their national flag in their bedrooms we discussed at the latest are surrounding russia's olympic saga with three time world champion alpine ski racer austria's culture ons he says the i.o.c.

these actions are unprecedented you have to pre-clear in but the russians are clean and if they're if one is not clean then. supposed to be banned from the olympics but not the whole team it's the first time that the whole nation gets banned from the olympics and this is this is very pro for the sport for sure but don't but this is on the olympics then the olympics are gone. the u.k. has announced that donald trump will be visiting britain in the second half of the year and he trump activists a vow to stage big protests when he arrives the u.s. president seems well pretty unfazed. i think a lot of the people in your country like what i stand for they respect what i say and so those united and for tough border are going to come to those who don't what

do you say to them i don't care i don't care it's just one of those things i don't i don't say anything you know why because i don't care that u.s. leaders trip to the u.k. had originally been planned for february this year the opening of the new u.s. embassy in london however trump canceled the visit sighed in his dislike of the new building he's now looking at how the u.k. and u.s. failed to find common ground in twenty seventeen but perhaps this year might be better the u.k. prime minister to resign may has invited u.s. president donald trump to visit the united kingdom later this year it comes as the two leaders met on the world economic forum in davos and also comes amid rumors of a breakdown in the relationship between the two countries if you. like you. say thank you for just one great read.