excessively if they need arises is this how it's going to be for the foreseeable future sanctions and hostility mixed with pragmatic operation. you know that is certainly. i mean it's a step maybe in the right direction where you can get more cooperation on different issues. you know hopefully at some point that cooperation improves there a lot of east shoes like arms control where we need to be talking with one another so yes i mean fully it doesn't stay there and minimal cooperation but moves up to more more cooperation the u.s. and russia managed to deal with it on issue together and now we have another nuclear crisis with north korea can the two countries go again and say down involved china get the koreans to work could things out pull this off one more time

. it will be it would be easier for the u.s. to deal with russia as part of a group of countries along with china japan south korea and others it is very difficult to at the moment to have those bilateral talks. at least openly and even if you have them behind doors there are so many leaks from this administration that it's very hard to carry on diplomacy. you know with russia without that leaking so yes i think you could see in a. broader setting where you have other powers you could actually see improvement in the cooperation and that may build some trust back into the relationship. now during the john kerry years so was hope that this approach of working on some issues while clashing over others will actually lead to

a comprehensive amending the russia u.s. relationship but that hasn't materialized why doesn't tillerson continue working this line. well there has been you know a sea change and nobody saw this exactly coming but you know obviously there are dead there difference here is on the interpretation but most americans believe that there was russian interference in the elections so and they see that as an attack on american values so during the kerry years and even before that during the clinton years there was more of a willingness to in their mind reset relations after they had. deteriorated on one issue or the other host ukraine crisis and certainly. particularly now with with still the investigations on what

happened in the elections going on it's very hard for tillerson or any or trump as we've discussed to make the case to the american public that we should have better relations now despite the hostility if the americans and the russians so i see why when it came to fighting isis and now the terrorist state is all but defeated i mean should we expect the u.s. to distance itself from problems like syria and play out well. i would say under the trumpet ministration there is been more disengagement. although there are as efforts now in the state department elsewhere to begin thinking about reconstruction in syria i would say in my own mind i think you know both russia and the u.s. have big interests and share big interests. in syria i mean both of

us don't want to see more instability or terrorism but there is a huge disagreement on tactics you know u.s. is not. making it a condition anymore that assad leaves office but nevertheless there's still strong anti a sawed sentiment all right matthew we're going to take a short break right now and when we're back we'll continue talking with dr massey a bar i have that iran analyst and a former national intelligence counselor and we'll talk more about the challenges they today's world order facing stay with us.

with this manufactured sentence to the public will. when the really close is protect themselves. with the flaming. lips and be the woman. in the middle of the room sit. in the. room. the u.s. is losing into a summer one the climate denying is precluding them from the dissipating in this new economy number one and number two the effects of the climate change the weather catastrophes the global you know migrants that are the result of it all this other

problems are hurting the us economy on the other side of the trade so you've got a double bind. and we're back with dr matthew barra's a cia veteran analyst and a for our national intelligence council are discussing u.s. russian spat and other issues causing global concern i might say turkey a nato member waste currently attacking the syrian kurds who are here u.s. allies is washington going to do anything about this or is it going to throw the kurds to who are lying on aid under the bus i think. washing it is very concerned about turkey. where turkey is heading.

so yes there afeard stew to it to warn turkey against its attacks but you know it is a nato member when there is an effort not to alienate for further turkey there's been you know tense relations between us and turkey for some time so i think the effort is to handle this in a very low key manner out of the public eye. desta us and when have enough leverage to stop turkey anyway i don't think we have the leverage you know there is. i mean in the past turkey has taken unilateral actions that have highly displeased the washington. turkey believe this is very much

a threat and you know in the case of any country that believes that they face an existential threat from some sources it's very hard to to deter it from carrying out actions to eliminate that threat. now for decades you've been analyzing and predicting crisis for the u.s. government how do you expect the turkish intervention to unfold and what consequences will it have well hopefully turkey doesn't mean that it's warning the u.s. but does not. tries to avoid hitting certainly us first now. and also. draws backwards on hits its actual. actions against the kurds.

you know as i say i think this is a difficult negotiation but i don't think turkey wants to completely alienate the us pentagon has recently revealed a new us to fast track which sas that interstate strategic competition with russia and china is the number one concern for the us is terrorism no longer the biggest threat to america it isn't i mean this is a dramatic switch it on terrorism is still a big threat and you know any u.s. president does not want to see a repeat of the nine eleven episode so we have been hardening our borders. and we continue. in the middle east and elsewhere cooperated with countries who are fighting terrorism and following also. the spread of

extreme extremism in the u.s. or elsewhere to try to date and to any terrorist attacks but increasingly you know u.s. is foreign policy elite. believes that we're falling behind china on technology certain technologies or that they're moving at ahead on certain technologies. and they actually despite having lots of problems with how foreign policy is executed under president trump actually the foreign policy elite both republican and democrat would agree with those statements in the national defense strategy s. to us and in fact abandoning the war on terror are returning to a cold war type of thinking and if so why i wouldn't say it's abandoning totally as i talked earlier but i do think that it does worry that.

it's margin i mean the u.s. believes if you go back to the past twenty years you know there was a period in the ninety's when the u.s. believed it was a unit polar power so clearly above every other power in the world and able to take unilateral action what you've seen in the last decade or two is the fact u.s. seeing china particularly a rise very quickly and there is a war on the economic side you know china has six seven years away from becoming the biggest economic power in market value terms so that is the concern i think were approaching in an interesting way another spot nick moment. as you remember in the fifty's when the u.s.

worried it was falling behind the soviet union and technology development. russia and china are cold revisionist powerset want to shape the world under their modelling the latest us to fan strategy so to me it sounds that an american mindset there is to american will do which is right and there is all the rest which are incorrect or adversary revisionist and need to be confronted how can the us exist in a multiple reality with this type of uni polar mentality well that's that's a big difficulty and that's something that. i've been worried about for years because i think the us is going to remain a great power in whatever sort of. world order we have but if it continues to play its cards you know like it did in the

ninety's believing it. was a unipolarity power and could do these things unilaterally then i think we. could be in for a rough ride because i don't think it's just not china or russia but i don't think other powers want to see you know polar world with the u.s. as the power now in your book the future declassified you say that america has to take charge and direct the needed changes in the world what about all the countries of the world that aren't excited about the american direction i mean do you think they should be forced into following america's elite no i mean i think way you earlier said about a poly centric world is correct and if you have a poly centric world then that means that the u.s. has to sit down with other powers. and players in the world and we have to think about how we can work together we do have an enormous of

a number of and we've talked about some of these shared interests so the effort should be thinking about how do we cooperate in dealing with the shared interests. so and if stand here talking about the u.s. adopting a sensible strategic policy and going through with it but if we try to look at it from a non american point of view we see that since iraq invasion in two thousand and three american foreign policy has been impulsive and quite chaotic and focused on its own interests rather than the common one and has contributed to the mess in the middle east rather than solving anything and after two decades of this how can the u.s. regain the trust of the international community and its leadership ability because i mean so far and i repeat from an outside point of view it's not being ticket well i completely understand you know your view on it and i think

many americans would also share your view that. the invasion of iraq was a strategic blunder and disaster for the u.s. and they were very unhappy about and that's why they the popularity of george w. bush went down in his second term. but you know americans look on this is well we had good intentions we were trying to deal with what we thought was a threat of weapons proliferation. and in afghanistan we are trying to rebuild the the country now that doesn't exist the good intentions doesn't excuse what it happened and the disrupt jund disarray that happened in the middle east but that is still how a lot of americans look on that the rest of the world is very focused on the

disastrous results the u.s. public and elite tends to think more more about the intentions we're. seeing those is good intentions almost a decade ago. you set summer security as a top threat now the pentagon has recently proposed writing a nuclear response to devastating cyber attack into the u.s. military doctrine what kind of a hostile action in cyber space what merits a nuclear attack well i think in the in the. pentagon's mind it would be to disable. critical infrastructure so for example like the electric grid in the us or the functioning of financial institutions in the u.s. . now whether they would actually i'm not sure that even those

actions. would. they certainly don't justify in my mind a nuclear attack but i am not sure if they would actually trigger one. because i think you know most americans are very scared about what would happen after they did trade nuclear attack and that would be particularly against russia china or another nuclear power there would be retribution. on that optimistic note thank you very much. we're talking to the maurice and cia veteran analyst and former national intelligence counselor about all the major challenges that put our paul and order to task for this edition of the next time.

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russia mourns the loss of a pilot who was shot down over syria's province on saturday and died fighting islam is militants on the ground. the. video appears online apparently showing a russian pilot surrounded by extremists just before he blew himself up to avoid capture. also this hour we look at the devastation and suffering still blighting the iraqi city of mosul months after it was liberated from islamic states broken bread and i challenge any member of the army to live in the conditions we are currently living in that they are even afraid of entering this area.

you're watching r.t. international coming to you live from moscow i'm kate partridge thank you for joining us. rush hour is mourning the death of a pilot whose plane was shot down by islamic militants in northern syria on saturday major amman philip of refused to surrender to the rebel forces on the ground and died fighting the russian defense ministry has posthumously awarded the deputy squadron commander the country's highest want to retitle hero of the russian federation in moscow a memorial has been set up outside the defense ministry where people have been laying flowers and breathes and in the crimean city of sebastopol mourners laid candles in the shape of a jet to filipov as memory many people have been particularly shocked by the footage apparently showing the incident syrian opposition activists have posted online may find some of the following images disturbing. the.

the sun very fired video that you just saw appeared online shortly after the incident and it shows the last moments of the pilot's life now from what we can hear on the video the pilot had waited for the terrorist to get closer to him and only after that he detonated taking his own life and also avoiding capture he even managed to shout that he was doing this for his own colleagues that were fighting alongside him or his defense ministry has already confirmed all these details the details of the last moments of his life how he was fighting till the very end. salute both foods and some of the very last moment of his long forgets to move. he

was. when the. devotional so long with a hand grenade rushes defense ministry has confirmed him. from the ministry said that he was an experienced pilot and it wasn't his first time serving in syria now before that he was based for several years in the region of russia's far east it was also part of a dozen successful military operations now the pilots plane was shot down on saturday near the province which is located in the north western part of syria which is still controlled by the latest incarnation of the terrorist group and other militants now the pilot was trying to keep the airplane the aircraft in the air as long as he could that he managed to eject from the aircraft but then he found himself all over a. terrorist his weapon was found with an anti magazine

and two others half spans now shortly after that an unverified video appeared online showing militants taking so. with the pilots body and also sampling on the debris of the crashed plane russia has already reacted to this incident carrying out strikes in that particular area and the ministry said that over thirty militants were killed as a result of these strikes. for the pilots last words roughly translated into this is for the lance has been turned into a hushed they're circulating online and have been printed on the expanding memorial in the center of moscow. there are key city of mosul was liberated from islamic state last july but it remains in ruins with countless unidentified bodies under the rubble artie's video agency ruptly has been capturing images of the city and again you might find the following footage distressing.

how many bodies have you removed since you started working in this area approximately five hundred. years in houses and although it's. your garden i challenge any member of parliament to live in the conditions we're currently living in here i bet they are even afraid of entering this area they have no idea how horrible the smell is or how critical the medical situation is. we haven't received any kind of aid since then it's. on one occasion did they receive a small box of food. nothing.

arty senior correspondent what i guess the of witness the operation to liberate mosul and its aftermath and he shared his experiences in the studio earlier. seven months since the battle of mosul ended they're still digging up people's bodies and i was there when these bodies had just begun to rot and i don't the gull ever forget it was the smell it was beyond sickening beyond north you know there were areas entire districts in mosul where you could hardly breathe properly the real heroes are the people doing the digging the people the rescuers that are sifting through all this all this wreckage and pulling out these bodies there's so desensitized you can see they're not even wearing breathing mosques or even even rags but then again they're paid pennies to do this hard work because we see jobs are scarce in moves as standing buildings. just describe the

traumatic and have rendered experience. and you've outlined lots of difficulties but were there any other problems that were highlighted when you were that well there is still a huge problem and that is unexploded bombs shells mines isis booby trap suicide vest and one of those are still are still all over mosul and when kids are playing for example on wrecked buildings or when rescuers are digging out a body when homeowners come back to their destroyed houses trying to salvage what they can that's when those bombs go off and rescuers tell us every day they get several more new victims of well the battle of the battle of mosul but we were there from the very beginning from when those u.s. led coalition jets bombed isis in in mosul day and night then when it was safer we got a little closer to see what those explosions really caused the price of the liberation

of mosul. oh. a billion cattle thieves are a fact of life in this sort of situation. do you agree that some of the the high level of i think ridiculous standard that we had previously is now created this. behavior by isis that they now realize if they take human shield they're going to avoid being struck and that actually this is adding to the problem congresswoman i do believe they understand our sensitivity to

civilian casualties and they're exploiting man and i do agree that as we move into these urban environments it is him become more and more difficult to apply extraordinarily high standards for the things we're doing although we will try. laboring street all but destroyed the streets across. the street over there it's the same story wherever you look. there are still countless bodies buried under all this rubble and no one knows how long it will take to get rid of.

said me show you west mosul now a waste. and the city for all intents and purposes has been erased and there's little or nothing left so it's no surprise people don't want to return they would rather live in tents own one issue i was really excited to return to my home and see it now when i see it in this state i wish i'd never come back but this was iraq's second largest city founded thousands of years ago and it's been a pillar of religion architecture and culture ever since its reconstruction will never be the same if it even happens and its population will be massively diminished official sources the iraqis and the u.s. have all vastly understated the sheer volume of civilians suffer.