much evidence should be provided to the american people i'm personally and i stress this is my personal view an advocate of declassifying as much information as possible and presenting it to the american people and to present it to the russian government i think we really need to initiate a process that we negotiate an end to this kind of aggressive cyber hacking and interference in our one another's domestic affairs if president putin believes the u.s. is interfering in russian domestic affairs or internal affairs it's not a good approach to interfere in our affairs in order to get us to stop doing it so i think it's in the interest of both sides of sit down and and talk this over and try to avoid a repetition of what happened in two thousand and sixteen in the future. ok let's take a short break right now and when we're back we'll continue talking to cia veteran ralph larsen a spy agencies position and it's today squalls tensional states and. join

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mainstream media has met its maker. now we're back with say a bachelor a wallflower what larson forward top cia official end of two decades better and all the agency talking about the spy bureau's role in today's united states internal and external policies are all for michael. oh yes just recently matt had so freshest intelligence virus to protect the american people as he put it so hostile rhetoric threatening sanctions aside russia and the u.s. are still programatic enough to work together on some issues right that's right sophia it's really important that professionals in the intelligence business not

cease cooperation even at the hardest times we have a long history between the u.s. and russia that goes back in the soviet days of setting aside our most grievous complaints against one another to cooperate in areas like counterterrorism and sometimes on counterintelligence and other issues that impact them both on our bilateral relations and i i applaud the recent meeting of the three russian intelligence visits chiefs in washington with director pompei and others i think it's a great move toward to reinforce the idea that we must continue to cooperate in areas of common interest to both countries now obviously congress is up in arms about her as an american intelligence she was meeting while the lawmaker is big gains this if it does bring tangible results in a fight against terrorism. well i know some people in congress and i i interact quite a bit with congress too if you will inform and advise specifically on the areas

that we need to talk with one another to continue keeping our country safe both of our countries i thin american interest to not see any russians die in terrorist attacks as it is in russian interest to prevent any terrorist attacks in the united states or elsewhere in the world so i don't think there's any dispute on that in congress and i think maybe some of the posturing is frankly political as opposed to substantive i haven't heard anyone say we shouldn't be talking to one another on counterterrorism issues. democratic senator chuck schumer has demanded publicly naming everyone who had contact with the russian intelligence delegation and they want that sort of all across the board disclosure being damaging for the nation yes i think it sends the wrong message if if i were to talk to senator schumer i would i would certainly urge him not to politicize you talked about politicizing intelligence earlier this would be an example of it if we don't do this cooperation

with between one another in areas such as. exchanging information and analysis on the terrorist groups and their activity whether it's in syria or around the world in the caucasus in them in the u.s. we should all be fired so we have to have the courage to do that it's in my experience of i was involved in the earliest if you will lays on work between the u.s. and russia at the time of the breakup of the soviet union and i don't recall a time when three intelligence chiefs all came together to washington that such as just happen and so i think it is a very positive signal of a desire to do more and i hope both sides can find the strength to do that. this is just a chance for politicians to be loughton t.v. friendly blaming spies right and left because on the other hand surely they must care about the actual issues of national security right yes i hope so and i have i

have a deep respect for senator schumer and i i quite i would question this based on what i've seen in the media and i hope behind it all it's not a seriously questioning why we would be doing this at this time i would also add that again this is a somewhat unorthodox view for someone like me i'm not a believer in applying sanctions to people that are doing their jobs we have a long history of of trying to avoid that sort of politicization of intelligence so i think we try to have to try to find out find a way to deescalate the politicization of intelligence activity it would help again if both sides particularly in this case i would have to put more pressure on the russian side to stop interfering in u.s. domestic affairs with intelligence activity and that would set a better environment to deescalate the rising tensions on

a political level and that this fact that intelligence committees on capitol hill have been briefed about this mean that the administration has no trust in congress . i don't think i would go that far sophia i think it reflects the very sharp political dividing lines right now in our country and not just between the democrats and republicans but between within the parties themselves i think the democrats are struggling to reestablish their identity to decide what hard or wing of the democratic party will move forward into the next election cycles and i think the republican party is there trying to decide how much the president some do some don't it's you know i'm not a true betraying any secrets here so i think there is there are there's conflict and tensions and instabilities within both parties again having watched this for much of my over sixty years i've seen other times in our country when we've seen

just as confused and days and we generally emerge out of it stronger than we enter that so i'm overall confident that we'll get out of this phase that we're in stronger than we were before we entered it so one terror attack has already been prevented thanks to the cia and sharing intelligence with moscow and put in has personally thanked the americans for their help in that how does that work with the intelligence agencies i mean how do you call parade on some matters when there is a general mistrust and hostility i mean how do you know you not think i think that's a great question and i love that question. yeah well i love the question because it gets back to the heart of what we are what what i hope we are and what we strive to be and even on our on the days we don't we don't reach this ethics i would call it of intelligence our basic motto our basic if you will standard is we have a duty to warn we have a duty to warn anybody anywhere in the world if they might their lives might be threatened by terrorist activity and of course in my time at cia working in

counterterrorism i personally instructed my officers to analyze and then provide the russian government with information that i believe prevented attacks on russian citizens during my time so i consider that a high one of our best days any time we help one another prevent attacks where people might be killed obviously and so that's that's a great story and as we've done it before this is just fortunately on this occasion there's a little bit of recognition that it happened and i think that's a good thing so do you think that a recent pentagon military doctrine shift from the war on terror to great power while great with china and russia given higher priority now means that the cia's anti terror effort will fall to her. i don't think so sophia because terrorism is not going away we fact i'm a little worried right now because every time there's been a relative lull in activity such as we've seen since

a little bit of reduction of conflict in syria recently there's been a rebound and then the terrorists every merged in a new form so i'm not in any way believer in the idea that we were past this threat of terrorism i think at the same time the great power rivalry doesn't necessarily imply that we're enemies again or that we're back to a cold war i think in a way whether you're that you apply this idea of rivalry to china or russia it's a recognition that both countries should be taken seriously and that their interests are sometimes a threat to the united states but i would describe it more as competition than adversarial. i've heard former cia officials lament the fact that the agency has fewer resources now than sure in the cold war but does new technology like the n.s.a. surveillance mean that fewer people are needed at the agency anyway. i generally am

not a person that believes that intelligence resources are insufficient i think we have plenty of resources and we have to be smarter in how we go about things as you as you indicated technology helps leverage we can leverage technology to as afore we call a force multiplier that makes us stronger there are other ways to do it too i don't think numbers is often the way to attack a problem i think we need smart people we need people who have the authorities they need the resources they need to do their jobs but i don't think the numbers indicate whether we have enough coverage in other words i believe or the u.s. intelligence community we have some we have sixteen different intelligence and it is within the what we call our intelligence community we have plenty of capability i think where we need to make more efforts is in how we decide what we do and then being more efficient in going about our missions so will the agency have less need for gathering old fashioned cold war style human intelligence like i don't know

talking to someone or infiltrating a guerrilla camp control like hacking is dropping on phone conversations intercepting e-mails spying would. replace the human intelligence component. well you're talking to an old school person so i don't feel i need to reform my thinking at this point my life so i'd have to answer you by saying there's always room there's been room for thousands of years for old old fashioned espionage spies go back to biblical times and you know as long as there are humans on the earth there's a need to know what our if you will competitors and adversaries are thinking and human spies will never be replaced by cyber or hacking or any other key or drones or any other technology in fact in the one nine hundred ninety s. in my view the u.s. intelligence can community became too enamored with what i call national technical means whether that was satellites or other things to replace human intelligence we thought the world had changed after the collapse of the soviet union and it had

we're still living in the same world i was born in the one nine hundred fifty four so i believe in answer your question were always going to need understanding of adversaries and even some of our friends plans and intentions because by having that knowledge will make better decisions and also feel like more technology progresses more typewriters and old fashioned letters are the safest thing out there still us all thank you so much i think that if you write as if you actually write thank you so much for this interview this wonderful insight always shoot all the best of luck or talk until ralf mullets larsen two decades cia veteran former moscow station chief of about that cia's relationship with the trumpet ministration and its role in today's counting quote that's it for this initiative so it can cost you next.

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russia is mourning the seventy one people who died in sunday's plane crash near moscow the jet came down just minutes into the flight leaving no survivors. local slowly return to the syrian city of rocket the once defunct so capital of islamic state which is now left with no clean water or infrastructure but it seems to be a short for when it comes to footing the bill for reconstruction. and russian athletes got their second medal at the winter olympics in south korea taking silver in the figure skating with canada getting gold and the u.s. coming.

a very warm welcome you watching aussie international with me becky aaron good to have you with us this hour now russia's morning seventy one people killed in an on sunday their regional passenger plane went down minutes after taking off from moscow there are no survivors. there's. the best of my worst fears that the world. is a part of the profit was made in the presence of god let's listen.

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normal. the flight's final seconds were captured by a security camera thought to be installed in a nearby house is a short video in which the impact is seen in the distance in the first second or so the crash is visible at the top of the picture followed by a powerful explosion you can also see black smoke rising bear the timestamp on the video shows the tragedy was recorded at fourteen twenty seven moscow time and this is drone video of the recovery operation which includes hundreds of emergency service workers and almost two hundred vehicles is scattered over an area of more

than one kilometer and the search teams have to sift through deep snow our correspondent jacqueline vega reports from near the site. emergency services have been out in mass trying to coordinate the investigation that is currently going on we've been told that it involves nine hundred specialists and throughout the day we've seen a consequence of police cars trucks and snowmobiles coming back and forth between the crash site which is down the road a bit behind me and here now they're having to snowmobiles because of the weather conditions at the side of the crash self which is covered in layers of snow and ice now that is hindering the investigation a bit but everything is going forward and they are working in shifts in order to have the investigation continue non stop at this point all possible causes of the crash are being considered including technical malfunction pilot error and possibly also complications due to the weather on the day of the crash itself the plane had completed two other flights were earlier in the day and the final check that was

done on the plane before the takeoff actually happened showed no issues with the plane now we have been told that two flight recorders have been found already and of course iran's hoping that those flight recorders contain the vital information that has the answers to all the questions that everyone has been asking if the plane was on route to old city close to the russian border with catholics down it's a call from the airport in the russian capital four minutes later the plane came down a village about sixty kilometers southeast of moscow. memorials have been set up across the or region west sixty of the passengers came from some of the victims' relatives and friends learned of the tragedy while waiting for their loved ones to arrive medina cancian of reports. the aircraft that crashed just outside moscow departed from this very airport the why did the lease one of the three major air transport hubs in the capital and after the tragedy remains fully

operational but all who are in the small city of course the airport there tells a very different story the shock has paralyzed it most of the sixty five passengers on board that plane were from that region dozens of family and friends were waiting for them there are scenes of absolute grievous people come to terms with what has happened emergency crews are present at the airport and psychologists are ready to help those trying to cope with their loss the passengers who were due to fly back to moscow in the crash aircraft are handing back their tickets and even here at this fast paced airport which is forced to keep moving this tragedy has hit hard. one man had a look on his side he canceled his ticket just days before the flight mike same color was due to fly back to all but changed his plans he says he still can't grasp

what happened. but will choose to go see would be good as i turned thirty seven today i want to celebrate my birthday with my family my friends my girlfriend in oscar my friend who would have met me at the airport called me today and told me what happened at first i didn't believe him later when i saw the news what can i say i felt a chill down my spine i want to express my sorry deepest sympathies to the relatives of those who die it's horrifying. radar stations record it be a raw take flight path of the plane it reached an all to shoot of nearly two thousand mazes before suddenly plunging to one and a half thousand after gaining height apparently plummeted once again and disappeared completely from the radar the last time it was seen on screens was that nine hundred. the plane was a russian made antonov one four eight and by size twelve lines it had been in operation for eight years they actually had a maximum speed of eight hundred twenty kilometers per hour the capable of carrying

up to eighty passengers their line is now being investigated by the author but the company claims it carried out all the necessary technical maintenance however this particular plane was previously involved in several safety incidents including engine and fuselage problems with the investigation underway we talked to aviation experts about the possible causes of the crash like to send my thoughts and prayers to all the families of the passengers and crew and the airline staff in the wake of this tragedy the weather is probably the primary factor that depends a lot on the rate of the snowfall or precipitation and how long the airplane had been sitting on the ground collecting all that material so if the airplane had only been on the ground maybe thirty minutes maybe not so much accumulated it had been there a couple of hours obviously a lot more could have accumulated in that case if the airplane was not sprayed with

the icing fluid there would be a more serious. result you know so the fact that the airplane became airborne and climbed to six thousand feet tells me that probably the airplane was in pretty good shape at the time of the takeoff we're dealing with a great great tragedy i feel very bad communicating in such a context with the traction there are common protocol for an investigation through various aspects of security and safety factors a few things really briefly would be the structural integrity of the aircraft the fuselage the engines and so on then you look at energy. systems power for the engine things. it's not. really. external to any aircraft that could include anything from a bird strike

a missile strike a collision with another aircraft interaction with unusual weather phenomena and then lastly you have to look at human issues. really for months after it's liberation from islamic state people from the syrian city of raka slowly returning to what's left of their homes but many buildings in this city remain riddled with the land mines and booby traps and locals say they've been left to take on the reconstruction by themselves. when we return we found everything we just rubble and look at all the devastation rock is a ghost city by the minute we're live in the midst of destruction completely abandoned everything around has been destroyed.