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hello and welcome the cross talk for all things considered i'm peter lavelle who would have thought thirteen russians three times and some cash could impact an american presidential elections this is where russia gate stands today also more twists and turns in the messy conflict known as syria. crossed talking those thirteen russians i'm joined by my guest mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have alexander me cares he is a writer on legal affairs as well as editor in chief of the duran dot com and we have dmitri bobbitt she's a political analyst with international as always gentlemen crossed that effect that means you can jump anytime you want and. always appreciate it let's go to those

thirteen russians three entities and all that cash maybe not so much because i was and you've been writing about it from a legal perspective give us your major take of the first point is that of course none of these people are going to be tried so mr miller has prepared a very complicated portentously worded indictment which is never going to be tested because there is no extradition is an extradition brought the russians are not going to extradite these people they're going to stay in russia so you doesn't have to prove any of the things that he has said what seems to have happened is that some of these people have gauged intro link on the internet and they've done things which let's be straightforward oddly things mr myler but not unheard of the not unheard of and not just specifically to rush as if it were actually going to hear nothing you hear at all i mean anybody who goes on the internet comes across trolls

what most has done is he wants to prove that there is this vast intricate dangerous conspiracy he's put all this together he's labeled the internet agency in st petersburg is responsible and he's trawled around to various laws that he can stick offenses against these people essentially what this was if you read the indictment what this was a commercial barket thing is what it was in and even in the indictment itself admits that it was pro and trump. hillary clinton and for everything in between i mean there's no specific political to it there's no connections at all there's not even any allege any connections between this. supposed company which is run by a guy who is known as putin's chef because he ran a catering business but before any. of that is even if they're catering businesses for russian school. she was and is also although it's

a lot of old you know it was just in the middle media so in russia that labeled him that and there's no connections at all to the russian government there's no connections at all to the trumpet ministration the trunk campaign or any of the other four people one completely unrelated and you know spurious charges that we all are has towards any of the other four people who have been died on tax charges so anything else so we have four indictments before this now we have these indictments of thirteen individuals ever been in the three entities and none of them have any any connection with the russian government or with any or the trumpet . or any of the delusion at least it's an offer that they were russians they were lively interest thousand and sixteen and they posted something on facebook that americans could see it doesn't matter that ninety five percent of the european media was very broad hillary during that campaign and americans could read millions

of pages of their stuff during the campaign that's not important what is important is that these thirty russians did it well let me. make this very it's called. bloomberg he is a writer for bloomberg he used to be able russian journalist knowledge he leaves a broad writes about trash and just like marsha guess the difference is that he knows a thing or two about russian history and literature i like much i guess so here's what he wrote i think you'd be surprised i haven't been indicted i am russian i was in the us in two thousand and sixteen and they published coolum screed a couple of both clinton and trump without registering as a russian h ok that goes to my next point alexander given what we just heard from my. then christopher steele should be indicted as well he's a foreigner he wasn't registered as a foreign agent he didn't. report to the federal election commission about what he was doing. this is a glaring this illegally only. law you don't know anything that we already got

a confession according to the actual terms of dimitri babich is the unnamed fourteen yes because people like this is crucial if you read the indictment there could be a very possible going to get really let me go back to the. deal because i think it's really important for the questions being answered i mean all the things that people have been in full christopher steele has done he has lost to the f.b.i. he is into feet in the u.s. election he has done so secretly he has been phoning up new spaces he has been publishing information in adults see it. hasn't registered as any kind of foreign agent so why hasn't he been indicted why is the resistance on the phone to the justice department to india and this is probably what i find most puzzling of all alexander is the trumps trump's own d.o.j. and maybe it's slightly different in a situation with the f.b.i. with the d.o.j.

why isn't it moving there that was a mystery to me because it's the troops ok that answers the trucks you know every move talked about a plenty of time to this before no power of his own administration he's he's certainly given away foreign and military policy his own justice department is pursuing him and you know this cabal of generals mcmaster maddest mcmasters and kelly keeps him in a little playpen and you know his only real power is tweeting and i don't like he's not allowed to do that whenever he wants as well well i mean it's it's an attempt to use one thousand same tree legislation twenty first century is related i mean in the nineteenth century maybe it was illegal to bring in pamphlets in favor of a lot of the king it is during the campaign now we leave it then electronically interconnected to what if i want my american friends to read my opinion on the trump all wrong i just post it to all the internet i portico because they will see . no twitter doesn't know borders makes you a criminal exactly but it makes me

a criminal if that is what mr ok well let's talk about election meddling a couple of days ago on the. program the former head of the cia james was lee was on and she asked a few questions about his reaction to the indictments and then she talked about election meddling but american election meddling abroad let's take a look have we ever tried to meddle in other country's elections oh probably. it was for the good of the system in order to avoid the communists from taking over for example in europe. in forty seven forty eight forty nine the greeks and italians we. don't mess around other people will. only for a very good idea that you. are good viewers that was the former head of the cia who wants to go first. let me let me speak about him western media speaks about the

former head of the. cia could know you know if we use that language to use a boat. ok maybe a general form of the freedom caught up to that who set it to so since mr boucher also to mr mubarak we're coming after you which was actually true you know and he's not mad that he's not interfering in other country's elections you know just somehow i think. that ukraine was the the crown jewel i mean looking for regime illegal change there i wanted to react to that because you know they both chuckled i mean. john dropping you know you you're accusing a foreign country and a very powerful one russia of doing something against your country without any evidence whatsoever beyond a troll farm ok. and there is ample evidence mountains of evidence the united

states medals in elections it has for decades and it's probably doing so exactly right now. when i was in greece in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight when that was a coup he refers to greece. i was actually taken prisoner at the age of six and the people who carried out the us back to the house where we used to live was taken over by a family from the u.s. embassy so it's not actually such a long time funny thing well i mean is it not i mean if you look at the entire segment is it you know if the u.s. does it it's ok with anybody else does it it isn't ok that's the double standard ok if you could very with me a little bit i'm going to run for a little bit of literature i know you're prepared i know you are right so this is about the projection from the u.s. on to other countries like russia of what it does the guardian revealed u.s.

spy operation that manipulates social media this is from two thousand and eleven the u.s. military the pentagon is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread pro-american propaganda and it specifically notes that the discovery that the u.s. military is doing this with fake on line personalities sock puppets could also encourage other governments private corporations and government organizations are going to also hear that when there was a program with twitter and they did does the same thing with these of a q but i'm very much on the seas this is the u.s. message that what we've just heard alleged there there's no connection to the next one more one more minute before you even read g h c q this is the british version of the national security agency does the same thing overwhelming evidence. we have a database from carnegie mellon using the u.s. government's own data they've meddled in other elections eighty one times. only up

to two thousand not counting coups and regime changes and of course the famous how could we forget this picture time magazine russia the americans openly helped yeltsin in a rigged election keep our yanks to the rescue they were quite proud about their meddling back then they even made a movie spinning boris congratulating the one hundred ninety six million eighty six don't forget to vote this date you know well i think it's just a question of a double standard so you know but you know that it's interesting if you're right but they don't see it that way they can't see this far away from their face when it comes to issues like this well you know the problem is also with oh elite you know the response of rush and he is usually you are using office in your internal struggle well for i to tell you terry and i do it would you with global explorations which is no rain in the united states there is little difference between foreign and domestic polish your foreign policy is spot of your domestic importance so you know they were trying to take on their interests when you go to

a short break and after that short break we'll continue what it was crushing all those thirteen russians stayed with our to. be everybody from stephen both. to hollywood guy you know suspects. proud americans first of all i'm just george bush in our view to suggest this is my buddy max famous financial guru where he's a little bit different on the day when. your windows up with all the drama happening in our country and rude have spun me every day americans.

hopefully start to bridge that gap this is the great american. welcome back to crossfire all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. all right gentlemen let's switch gears here and go back to serious go back to the middle east. last couple of days we had secretary of state rex tillerson in ankara trying to smooth some feathers i mean both countries have realized that there is

a crisis point here after a three hour meeting with the turkish president. there is the impression it believes that some kind of agreement was made i don't get that impression the way it was what was released here what was the point of the meeting and what is the main bone of contention here because this is these are nato allies and they're going toe to toe no to know is in a country syria where neither one of them should be hit with this this was obviously two for washington to hold hands try to reassure him it was there over there are meeting of the white p.g.d. on turkish border guards and there's the kurds and a a large chunk basically claiming as it of their own of syrian territory again much of it right on the turkish and and the iraqi border so turkey's extremely upset about this there were these optics didn't. do much because even as tillerson was

arriving there was the announcement that the pentagon is going to be giving another five hundred fifty million dollars this year to arm and otherwise support these forces that he's very insistent on but there has to be a tipping point here demas i mean everyone is in is invested enormously in this operation here all of the branch of unbelievably it's called range the invasion of the invasion of syria here i mean the united states is not making it better and it's saying the pentagon is saying it will stay in syria indefinitely against international law here something has to go one way or another well what happened was that the states indeed kind of provoked their team to move in and that's was that was said by all foreign minister sergei lavrov who said because of the support of the kurds a lot of the kurds and you know this border security forces. started talking about them or they didn't tell the turks didn't know exactly provoke or provided a pretext and basically i don't understand why mr two was on this talking to.

because god has been saying the same thing says to him don't know about the united states in the last two weeks he accused the united states off helping terrorists you know so you can see how desperately the u.s. is trying to preserve its relationship with turkey and it's. the background of this is that we have an upcoming meeting in istanbul with iran turkey and russia it seems to me everyone is basically checking out the terrain here ok because the united states is certainly not going to quote you are not cooperating with police in this regard when it comes to the kurds they it seems to me it's patently obvious that the u.s. wants a statelet it wants a partition of the israelis wanted the saudis are. going to work and they want their own and they and we have to look at the occupied territory where the u.s. has if this is where the oil and gas fields are for syria again no money for reconstruction. ok so everyone is looking at the horizon and i think he's looking

for maybe he's going into the grand bazaar go ahead these are two even legal invasions of syria to nato law is which are working at the moment at cross purposes they're both dangerous for syria and i think that is an important point to remember as for him he has to try and balance the fact that he's now in conflict with the united states so he is now trying to get some kind of arrangement with the russians and the ukrainians to try and balance out the agnelli the usa being what he proposes that the turks and merican his work together militarily when the americans are embedded with the kurds i mean that's not going to. get out and this is the problem at the same john that he's trying to leverage the russians against the americans he's trying to use the americans to leverage against the russians so that he can extract concessions in syria can we which exactly he's called clueless may

be right it was just a few days ago when the reports about the turkish army using chemical weapons. appeared what was the reaction from the spokesperson for the u.s. led coalition. but the u.s. coalition has no information of this before when there were there was just a rumor about the syrian government using chemical weapons immediately they had was that while they had they had a lot of rhetoric for something they never ever happened there didn't even send inspectors there that they were so sure that this information was correct went to target somehow they prefer to be silent this is the interesting thing to mark is that we have to look at the internal dynamics of turkey everyone's perceived american stance is very popular domestically for him so this is again another part of the spectrum that he's playing it i mean he first of all he accused the u.s. of a coup trying to overthrow his government u.s. back to go on. the bed probably the only coup that i believe the us hasn't been in

recent times but it's an enormously popular with his islamist based and the base is as long as that top of that he's turned his country into basically the whole day resort for all of the jihadi across the world who are been barking into syria for the last six years if he suddenly god doesn't about face turns away from al qaeda turns away from regime change in syria he's got to deal with them on his own sort of it was there already also house deal with alex is that again going back to this . meeting with ball with the iranians the russians and the turks is that. what everyone is doing is want to make sure that he's part of some kind of peace process were two countries russia and iran can play a forceful role an instrumental role because the united states is the spoiler ok it's the spoiler country it's not interested in any kind of conflict resolution

that's the kind of gambit he's. also trying to use he's deals with the russians to extend his influence into syria he's now sending troops into syria. terry occupation in syria with the us then he said he's sending troops to a province they're obstructing the syrian. patrols openly with all collide and that's that's that's without that's the mecca of jihad right now exactly and of course he's doing that using these arrangements that he's made with the russians and the iranians to relate to legitimize that there is another side because of course that the russians are they say what we need the cooperation of. and there's been one important country and there's a lot of chatter. that the israelis are looking for a real real meaningful scary conflict with the iranians also with hezbollah or do you see this is a. part of

a puzzle piece right now because you know that would you know for planners for american planners in the pentagon it would be nice to have a foothold in syria if an operation like that were to be pulled off i prefer to stay on the ground effect which let's just look at the facts israel has been firing missiles from the territory of a sovereign state in the condition of a foreign intervention of the civil war several times or one hundred. times in a look at exactly you know. their embassy was a victim of a huge terrorist act three years ago and no one in the west even expressed condolences you know israel has been occupying lebanon since one thousand eight hundred two and that was the reason why it has but what came into being it didn't have not existed before and now israel which has been applauded. for intervention in syria is concerned about its security and the increased influence of iran.

but they got a very. cold message that the syrians will start defending their airspace to what degree that will be put into play we don't know i mean it certainly sent a very powerful message we don't know to what degree there. are the russians or the remains were involved in that decision might i didn't think it was assad saying hey this is my country stop doing it as mark said you know enough is enough but look you know we've had this media hype this week you know michael war us dream has come true all the western media what exactly are the former head of the cia thinks i'm going to be buried in syria and steal will start to kill russians he said to kill russians and iranians is syria to make them pay a price for resisting what i have but russians have been i mean what happened was there near these oil reach areas of syria you know the syrian government i mean the question with basically is. legal. there if you were the syrian government

absolutely there were there were. four of the russians. five russians got killed this is what the russian foreign labor contractors so they have a concept that is going to see if the united states doesn't use a quarter and the contracts so that western media try to make out to it a huge river waging like something that wants to hide if anyone in syria should read it army or something like that things like that alex you know one of the things is that you know we keep tabs on this program is what's going on in ukraine and unfortunately i think we're going to be talking a lot about ukraine a year. you know looking at syria looking at ukraine it in its totality it looks like american policy is just pure spite you know it's they their regime change in in ukraine getting work out the way they want it because they lost crimea they have

a frozen conflict against war and every once in a while when even the heart and then we have syria where they lost again it's not ok and you have been ok i mean. me i would call that mature foreign policy because i think that it is in america's vested interests. its foreign policy by i think the only anger is perhaps stronger than some bite and i think there is an element of that and of smashing about but it's also partly i think intended to show american power if you to frustration but there isn't a limit there is a certain element of calculation in which that if if you withstand you we hurt and you see that a lot in syria mark for forty seconds here i mean i want to go back to the one in tillerson what's your gut feeling what do you always mean when the non deal that was make the i don't think there was any deal made turkey's proposal that they would basically do a joint invade. asian of syria that was right there but that was rhetorical that's

what he did it's not even that that's not something that's happening on the ground looking to happen the u.s. earlier promised turkey that all of its pet wipe e.g. the branded as the s.d.f. would be withdrawn east of the euphrates which means in particular man b. this is what oregon wants he wants african travelers corridor which he already has and man beach to for his new chunk of the autumn in the autumn an empire in fact he referred to giving the us an autumn in slap which if you actually look it up in the urban dictionary you'll find it actually is an indication of complete ineffectualness of the day i think it's understood that very insightful know are brought out of time many thanks to my guests here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for our extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember cross talk rules.

and is getting international recognition with the help of israel at least in the world of zoos a member of the commission to do it look like you know. this is my complicity is something i'm going to have to study i'll maybe. go into the open. the only palestinians who gets the most hopeful is to roost on counterparts and i don't think there's some of those who are under the vision to know who could do this. and the design office not just you have to this lady of the most of the you have i don't know if you've competed in the doesn't seem to do more than most also some put this on. the floor telling you on the idea that dropping bombs brings. these chicken hawks

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investigators say sudden days church shooting in southern russia which left five people killed may have been an act of terrorism. so when pro-government forces are reportedly preparing to enter the northern city of. so how could a shrill a turkish offensive that softer washington failed to deescalate the month long conflict between its two allies. and a former cia director admits the u.s. does interfere in another country's elections when it is quote for a good cause the comments coming in the wake of the alleged russian meddling solve them.