oh. hello and welcome the cross-talk were all things considered i'm peter lavelle who would have thought thirteen russians three time to seize and some cash could impact an american presidential elections this is where russia gate stands today also more twists and turns in the messy conflict known as syria.

cross talking those thirteen russians i'm joined by my guest mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have alexander me curious he is a writer on legal affairs as well as editor in chief of the duran dot com and we have dmitri bobbitt she's a political analyst with international as always gentlemen cross-like roles in effect that means you can jump anytime you want and i always appreciate let's go to those thirteen russians three entities and all that cash maybe not so much cash i was and you've been writing about it from a legal perspective give us your major take a swipe at the first point to say is that of course none of these people are going to be. as prepared to a very complicated portentously. which is never going to be tense because there is no extradition extradition but all the russians and to extradite these people they get to stay in russia so you doesn't have to prove any of the things that he has said what seems to have happened is that some of these people that they gauged intruding. on the internet and they've done things which let's be straight forward

all ugly things mr but not unheard of the note on. them and not just specifically to rush as if it were actually going to hear nothing you hear at all i mean anybody who goes on the internet comes across. what most has done is he wants to prove that there is this vaastu intricate dangerous conspiracy he's put all this together he's labeled the internet agency in st petersburg is responsible and he strolled around to various laws that he can stick offenses against these people essentially what this was if you read the indictment well this was a commercial barket thing is what it was and and even the indictment itself admits that it was pro and trump. hillary clinton and for everything in between i mean there's no specific political for him to it there's no connections at all there's

not even any allege any connections between this. supposed company which is run by a guy who's known as putin chef because he ran a catering business but before and it is this that is even if they're catering businesses for russian school children in the course of which a lot of cold food you know it was just dinner and they were all media in russia that labeled him that and there's no connections at all to the russian government there's no connections at all to the trumpet ministration the truck campaign or any of the other four people on completely unrelated and you know spurious charges that we all are his charge any of the other four people who have been died on tax charges so anything else so we have four indictments before this now we have these indictments of thirteen individuals ever be tried in the three entities and none of them have any any connection with the russian government or with any or the drug.

right over all the delusion at least it's enough that they were russians they were lively interest thousand and sixteen and they posted something on facebook that americans could see it doesn't matter that ninety five percent of the european media was very broad here were a trump during that campaign and americans could read millions of pages of their stuff during their campaign that's not important what is important is that these thirty russians did it well let me. make this seem very it's called. bloomberg he is a writer for bloomberg he used to be at uber all russian journalist now he leaves a broad writes about russia just like marsha gessen the difference is that he knows a thing or two about russian history and literature i like much i guess so here's what he wrote i am actually surprised i haven't been indicted i am russian i was in the u.s. in two thousand and sixteen and they published corms critical of both clinton and trump without registering as

a russian h ok that goes to my next point alexander given what we just heard from. then christopher steele should be indicted as well he's a foreigner he wasn't registered as a foreign agent he didn't. report to the federal election commission about what he was doing. this is that he married this illegally on a law you don't know anything that we have to go to confession according to the actual in terms of its dimitri babich is the odd name fourteen for actually dissolved yes because people like this is crucial if you read the indictment there could be a very possible i'm going to get really let me go back to the good. deal because i think it's really important for the questions being answered i mean all the things that people have been indicted for all christopher steele has done he has lied to the f.b.i. he is into feet in the us election he has done so secretly he has been phoning up new spaces he has been publishing information in adults see it that serenity very little recorded here. hasn't registered as any kind of foreign aid. so why hasn't

it been done to it why is the resistance on the phone to the justice department to india and this is probably what i find most puzzling of all alexander is the trump's own d.o.j. and maybe slightly different situation with the f.b.i. with the d.o.j. why isn't it moving there that was a mystery to me because it's the troops ok that answers the truck every move talked about it plenty of time to this before trump has no power of his own administration he's he's certainly given away foreign and military policy his own justice department is pursuing him and you know this cobol of generals mcmaster maddest mcmasters and kelly keeps him in a little playpen and you know his only real power is tweeting and evidently he's not allowed to do that whenever he wants as well well i mean it's it's an attempt to use nineteenth century legislation twenty first century. i mean in the

nineteenth century maybe it was illegal to bring in pamphlets out of the king it is during the campaign now we leave it in electronically interconnected what if i want my american friends to read my opinion on the trump or on the i just post it to all the internet i portico because he doesn't know twitter doesn't know borders makes you a criminal exactly but it makes me a criminal if that is a misstatement ok well let's talk about election meddling a couple of days ago on the. program the former head of the cia james was lee was on and she asked a few questions about his reaction to the indictments and then she talked about election meddling but american election meddling abroad let's take a look have you ever tried to meddle in other country's elections oh probably. it was for the good of the system in order to avoid the communists from coming over for example in europe. in poor. forty eight forty nine the greeks and italians we

are day out that way don't mess around other people. are only for a very good idea that you know for a good living and all men are good viewers that was the former head of the cia who wants to go first. let me let me speak about here western media speaks about the former head of the cia former cia could know you know if we use that language to use a boat to put out a. general form of the freedom caught up to that who set it to solve since mr boucher are certain mr mubarak we're coming after you which was actually true you know and he's not mad that he's not interfering in other countries elections you know just somehow i think it is likely not to come to. ukraine was the the crown jewel i mean looking for force regime illegal change there i wanted

to react to that because you know they both chuckled in the. jar dropping you know you you're accusing a foreign country in a very powerful one russia of doing something against your country without any evidence whatsoever beyond a troll farm ok and there is ample evidence mountains of evidence the united states middles in elections and has for decades in it's probably doing so exactly right now. when i was in greece in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight when that was. he refers to greece. i was actually taken prisoner at the age of six and the people who carried out the u.s. back to the house where we used to live was taken over by a family from the u.s. embassy so it's not actually search light hearted funny thing what does it not mean if you look at the entire segment is that you know. if the

u.s. does it it's ok with anybody else does it it isn't ok that's the double standard ok if you could very with me a little bit i would have done for a little bit of literature i know you're prepared i know yes i write so this is about the projection from the u.s. on to other countries like russia of what it does the guardian revealed u.s. spy operation that manipulates social media this is from two thousand and eleven the u.s. military the pentagon is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread pro-american propaganda and it specifically notes that the discovery that the u.s. military is doing this with fake on line personalities sock puppets could also encourage other governments private corporations and government organizations are going to also hear that when there was a program with on twitter and they did does the same thing with these of a q but i'm very much on the seas this is the u.s.

message that what we've just heard alleged there there's no connection to the next one more one more minute before she has a right g h c q this is the british version of the national security agency does the same thing overwhelming evidence. that we have a database from carnegie mellon using the u.s. government's own data they've meddled in other elections eighty one times only up to two thousand not counting coups and regime changes and of course the famous how can we forget this picture of time magazine russia the americans openly helped yeltsin in a rigged election keep our yanks to the rescue they were quite proud about their meddling back then they even made a movie spinning boris congratulating the ninety six million eighty six don't forget to vote these eight you know well i think it's just a question case over double standards you know but you know that it's interesting if you're right but they don't see it that way they can't see this far away from their face when it comes to issues like this well you know the problem is also.

with all elite you know the response of russian it is usually you are using oss in you'll in turn know the struggle well for the ten and thirty nine global explorations which is no rain in internet estates there is little difference between foreign and domestic policy he'll foreign policy see spot of your domestic importance so you know they were trying to make on their commitments when you go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue what it especially on those thirteen russian state with r.t. . so they have all this news and his and he practices they don't press the presses measures being deployed against the palestinian people everywhere he said fleda

colonialism the facts to follow and the many many. you know there's a stating things that the commies are doing of course they can close the uprising. apply to many clubs over the years so i know the game in saudi guides. football isn't only about what happens on the pitch for the final school it's about the passion from the fans it's the age of the super money kill the narrowness spend spend be true to the twenty million fly. it's an experience like nothing else not to because i want to share what i think what i know about the beautiful game but great so what chance with. the geeks going to.

and is getting international recognition with the help of israel at least in the world of zoos. dismiss it to you like. this isn't my cup of tea is going up the sub you know maybe. the only palestinians it gets the most help from its jerusalem counterparts i don't think there's some of those who. wish to. do this. and that his office knowledge got this lady of the most out of i'm going to continue in the doesn't seem to do more than most also some piss off.

welcome back to crossfire all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. all right gentlemen let's switch gears here and go back to serious go back to the middle east. last couple of days we had secretary of state rex tillerson in ankara trying to smooth some feathers i mean both countries have realized that they're at a crisis point here after a three hour meeting with the turkish president. there is the impression it believes that some kind of agreement was made i don't get that impression the way it was what was released here mark what was the point of the meeting and what is the main bone of contention here because this is these are nato allies and they're going toe to toe no to no it's in other countries syria were neither one of them should be this was obviously true for washington to hold oregon's hands try. to

reassure him it was it's there over there are being of the y.p. g on turkish border. it's the kurds owning a a large chunk basically claiming as it of their own of syrian territory again much of it right on the turkish and and the iraqi border. so turkey is extremely upset about this there were these optics didn't do much because even as tillerson was arriving there was the announcement that the pentagon is going to be giving another five hundred fifty million dollars this year to arm and otherwise support these forces that he's very upset about but there has to be a tipping point here deem i mean everyone is and is invested enormously in this operation here all of the branch unbelievably it's called range the invasion of the invasion of syria here i mean the united states is not making it better and it's saying the pentagon is saying it will stay in syria indefinitely against

international law here something has to go one way or another well what happened was that night the stacy indeed kind of provoked your team to move in and that's was that was said by all foreign minister sergei lavrov who said because of the support of the kurds a lot of the kurds and you know this border security forces the americans started talking about them and they didn't tell the turks didn't exactly provoke or provided a pretense and basically i don't even understand why mr to us on this talking to. because god has been saying the same thing says to him don't know about the united states in the last two weeks he accused the united states off helping terrorists you know so you can see how desperately the u.s. is trying to preserve its relationship with. the background of this is that we have an upcoming meeting in istanbul with iran turkey and russia it seems to me everyone is basically checking out the terrain here ok because the united states is certainly not going to. not cooperating with police in this regard when it comes to

the kurds they'd it seems to me it's patently obvious that the u.s. wants a statelet it wants a partition of the israelis wanted the saudis are. going for it and they want their own and they and we have to look at the occupied territory where the us has if this is where the oil and gas fields are for syria again no money for reconstruction ok so no one is looking at the horizon and i think he's looking for maybe he's going into the grand bazaar go ahead these are two even legal invasions of syria to nato allies which are working at the moment at cross purposes they're both dangerous for syria and i think that is an important point to remember as for him he has to try and balance the fact that he's now in conflict with the united states so he is now trying to get some kind of arrangement with the russians and the ukrainians to try and balance out the agnelli the usa being what he proposes that the turks and

merican his work together militarily when the americans are in bed with the kurds i mean that's not going to. get out and this is the problem at the same time that he's trying to leverage the russians against the americans he's trying to use the americans to leverage against the russians so that he can extract concessions in syria can we expect that he's quote clueless may be right just a few days ago when the reports about a turkish army using chemical weapons. appeared what was the reaction from the spokesperson for the u.s. led coalition. u.s. coalition has no information of this before when there were there was just a rumor about the syrian government using chemical weapons immediately they had was that while they had they had a lot of rhetoric or something they never ever happened they didn't even send inspectors there that they were so sure that this information was. correct went to

target somehow they preferred to be silent is the interesting thing to mark is that we have to look at the internal dynamics of turkey and everyone's perceived american stance is very popular domestically for him so this is again another part of the spectrum that he's playing i mean he first of all he accuses the us of a coup trying to overthrow his government us back to under the bed probably the only coup that i believe the us hasn't been in recent times but it's an enormously popular with his islamist based and its base is as long as that top of that he's turned his country into basically the whole day resort for all of the jihadi across the world who are been barking into syria for the last six years if he suddenly god doesn't about face turns away from al qaeda turns away from regime change in syria he's got to deal with them on his own sort of bill is there any also house you deal with alex is that again going back to this. meeting with the ball with the

iranians the russians and the turks is that. what everyone is doing is want to make sure that he's part of some kind of peace process were two countries russia and iran can play a forceful role an instrumental role because the united states is the spoiler ok it's the spoiler countries not interested in any kind of conflict resolution that's the kind of gamble that he's. also trying to use he's to use with the russians to extend his influence into syria he's now sending troops into syria is this a good theory occupation in syria with the us then he said he sent in troops to provence there struck to syria and their. patrols openly with all collided that's that's that's where the that's the mecca of jihad right now but exactly and of course he's doing that using these arrangements that he's me. with the russians and

the iranians to delete to legitimize that there is another side because of course that the russians aren't they say what we need the cooperation of. and there's going to be torn country and there's a lot of chatter. that the israelis are looking for a real real meaningful scary conflict with the iranians also with hezbollah or do you see this is a part of a puzzle piece right now because you know that would you know for planners for american planners in the pentagon it would be nice to have a foothold in syria if an operation like that were to be pulled off i prefer to stay on the ground the fact let's just look at the facts israel has been firing missiles on the territory of a sovereign state in the condition of a foreign intervention of the civil war several times over one hundred. thousand a look at exactly. what a victim huge terrorist act three years ago and no one in the west even expressed

condolences you know israel has been occupying lebanon since one nine hundred eighty two and that was the reason why it has but what came into being it didn't have not existed before and now israel which has been applauded. for intervention in syria is concerned about its security and the increased influence of iran. a very. cold message that the syrians will start defending their airspace to what degree that will be put into play we don't know i mean it certainly sent a very powerful message we don't know to what degree there. are the russians or the remains were involved in that decision might i kinda think it was assad saying hey this is my country stop doing it as mark said you know enough is enough but look you know we've had this media hype this week you know michael war all dream has come true all the western media. the former head of

a cia thinks i'm going to be buried in syria to deal with start to kill russians he said to kill russians and iranians assyria to make them pay a price for resisting what arab actions have been i mean what happened was there near these oil reach areas of syria you know the syrian government i mean that question with basically illegal arms from there if you were the syrian government absolutely there were there were. the russians and syrians or five russians got killed this is what the russian foreign labor contractors consulate is going to see if the united states doesn't use care to me blackwater and the contractors so that western media try to make out to it a huge river waging like something that portion of one stock height if. it's pocket army or something like this and things like that alex you know one of the things is that you know one we keep tabs on in this program is what's going on

in ukraine and unfortunately i think we're going to be talking a lot about ukraine you're. looking at syria looking at ukraine it in its totality it looks like american policy is just pure spite you know it's they their regime change in ukraine give them work out the way they want it because they lost crimea they have a frozen conflict begins warm every once in a while when even the heart and then we have syria where they lost again it's ok and you have been ok i mean. me i would call that mature foreign policy because i think that it is in america's best interest. its foreign policy by i think the only anger is perhaps stronger than some bite and i think there is an element of that and of smashing about but it's also partly i think intended to show american power if you frustration but there isn't a limit there is. certain elements of chemicals in which that if if you withstand.

it and you see that the lotion syria to take mark for forty seconds here i mean i want to go back to the one and tillerson what's your gut feeling what deal was made and what are the non deal that was maybe i don't think there was any deal made turkey's proposal that they would basically do a joint invasion of syria that was probably there but that was rhetorical that's what he really that's not even that's not something that's happening on the road going to happen the u.s. earlier promised turkey that all of its pet y p g branded as the s.d.f. would be withdrawn east of the euphrates which means in particular man b. this is what oregon wants he wants african drabble this quarter which he already has and managed beach to form his new chunk of the autumn in the autumn and empire in fact he referred to giving the us an autumn in slap which if you actually look it up in the urban dictionary you'll find it actually is an indication of

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mourners grieve for the victims of sunday's church massacre in southern russia which may have been an act of terrorism according to investigators. the turkish president reportedly threatened consequences if the syrian army enters the syrian city of our friend went south to ripple serious pro-government forces were getting ready kurdish militia. should censor. the former cia director admits that the united states does interfere in other country's elections when it is quote for a good cause the comments coming in the wake of the alleged russian.