hello and welcome to cross talk where all things considered i'm peter lavelle who would have thought thirteen russians three time to seize and some cash could impact an american presidential elections this is where russia gate stands today also more

twists and turns in the messy conflict known as syria. cross talking those thirteen russians i'm joined by my guest mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have alexander me cares he is a writer on legal affairs as well as editor in chief of the duran dot com and we have dimitri bobbitt she's a political analyst with international as always gentlemen cross-like roles in effect that means you can jump anytime you want and i always appreciate let's go to those thirteen russians three entities and all that cash maybe not so much cash i wasn't even writing about it from a legal perspective give us your major take the first point to say is that of course none of these people are going to be. as prepared to a very complicated she's. she's never going to be tested because there is no extra days. no extradition brought the russians are not going to extradite

these people they get to stay in russia so you doesn't have to prove any of the things that he has said what seems to have happened is that some of these people have been gauged in trolling on the internet and they've done things which let's be straightforward of glee things mr but not unheard of the not unheard of and not just specifically to russia if it were actually going to hear nothing you hear at all i mean anybody who goes on the internet comes across troubles what most has done is he wants to prove that there is this vast intricate dangerous conspiracy he's put all this together he's labeled as the internet agency and petersburg is responsible and he strolled around to various laws that he can stick offenses against these people essentially what this was if you read the indictment well this was

a commercial barket thing is what it was and and even the indictment itself admits that it was pro and trump. hillary clinton and for everything in between i mean there's no specific political for him to it there's no connections at all there's not even any allege any connections between this. supposed company which is run by a guy who's known as putin chef because he ran a catering business but before and it is this that is even if they're catering businesses for russian schoolchildren in the course of which a lot of cold food you know it was just dinner and they were all media so in russia there labeled him that and there's no connections at all to the russian government there's no connections at all to the troubled ministration the truck campaign or any of the other four people on completely unrelated and you know spurious charges that we all or has charge any of the other four people who died on taxes. charges

so anything else so we have four indictments before this now we have these indictments of thirteen individuals ever betray the three entities and none of them have any any. with the russian government or with any order trump me right oh really the delusion at least it's an offer that they what russians they were lively interest thousand and sixteen and they posted something on facebook that americans could see it doesn't matter that ninety five percent of the european media was very broad hillary during that campaign and americans could read millions of pages of their stuff during their campaign that's not important what is important is that these thirty russians did it well let me. make this seem very it's called. bloomberg he is a writer for bloomberg he used to be a deeper all russian journalist knowledge he leaves a broad writes about russia just like marsha guess the difference is that he knows a thing or two about russian history and literature i like much i guess so here's

what he wrote i think should be surprised i haven't been indicted i am russian i was in the us in two thousand and sixteen and they published coolum screed a couple of both clinton and trump without registering as a russian h ok that goes to my next point alexander given what we just heard from dean but then christopher steele should be indicted as well he's a foreigner he wasn't registered as a foreign agent he didn't. report to the federal election commission about what he was doing. this is a glaring absolutely a lie you don't pay any money that we have to go to confession according to the actual terms of its dimitri babich is the unnamed fourteen friendship is all yes because people like this is crucial if you read the indictment there could be very possible going to get really let me go back to the ghost of christmas and steal because i think it's really important so the questions being answered i mean all the things that people have been indicted for all. christopher steele has done what

he has liked he is into feet in the us election he has done so secretly he's been phoning up new spaces he has been publishing information in adults. he hasn't registered as any kind of foreign agent so why hasn't he been indicted why is the resistance on the part of the justice department to undone this is probably what i find most puzzling of all alexander is the trump's own d.o.j. and maybe it's a slightly different situation with the f.b.i. with the d.o.j. why isn't it moving there that was a mystery to me because it's the troops ok that answers the trucks every move talked about it plenty of time to this before no power of his own administration he's he's certainly given away foreign and military policy his own justice department is is pursuing him and you know this cabal of generals mcmaster maddest mcmasters and kelly keeps him in

a little playpen and you know he's only real power is tweeting and evidently he's not allowed to do that whenever he wants as well well i mean it's it's an attempt to use one thousand same tree legislation twenty first century. i mean in the nineteenth century maybe it was illegal to bring in pamphlets in favor of a lot of the king it is during the campaign now we leave it then electronically interconnected to what if i want my american friends to read my opinion on trump all wrong i just posted to all the internet i pushed it over because he doesn't know twitter doesn't know borders makes you a criminal exactly but it makes me a criminal if that is a misstatement ok well let's talk about election meddling a couple of days ago on the laura ingram program the former head of the cia james wos lee was on and she asked a few questions about his reaction to the indictments and then she talked about election meddling but american election meddling. abroad let's take

a look have we ever tried to meddle in other countries elections oh probably but it was for the good of the system in order to avoid the communists from coming over for example in europe. in forty seven forty eight forty nine the greeks and italians we don't know that we don't mess around other people will. only for a very good idea that you know for a good. hard good viewers that was the former head of the cia who wants to go first . let me let me speak about here western media speaks about the former head of the head of the cia former cia could you know if we use that language to use a boat. ok maybe a general form of the freedom caught up to that who say it solves it's mr. mr mubarak we're coming after you which was actually true you know and he's not mad

that he's not interfering in other country's elections you know just somehow i think. that ukraine was the the crown jewel i mean looking for regime illegal change there i wanted to react to that because you know they both chuckled in the. jar dropping you know you you're accusing a foreign country and a very powerful one russia of doing something against your country without any evidence whatsoever beyond a troll farm ok and there is ample evidence mountains of evidence the united states middles in elections and has for decades in it's probably doing so exactly right now. when i was in greece in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight when that was the. first greece. i was actually taken prisoner at the age of the people who carried out the us back to the house where we. used to live was

taken over by a family from the u.s. embassy so it's not actually such a long time funny thing well i mean is it not i mean if you look at the entire segment is it you know if the u.s. does it it's ok with anybody else does it isn't ok that's the double standard ok if you could very with me a little bit i'm going to run for a little bit of literature i know you're prepared i know yes i write so this is about the projection from the u.s. on to other countries like russia of what it does the guardian revealed u.s. spy operation that manipulates social media this is from two thousand and eleven the u.s. military the pentagon is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread pro-american propaganda and it specifically notes that the discovery that the u.s. military is doing this with fake on line personalities sock puppets could also

encourage other governments private corporations and government organization we're going to also hear that when there was a program with on twitter and they did does the same thing with these of a q but i'm very much on the seas this is the u.s. message that what we've just heard alleged there there's no connection to the next one more one more minute before you get the right g h c q this is the british version of the national security agency does the same thing overwhelming evidence. we have a database from carnegie mellon using the u.s. government's own data they've meddled in other elections eighty one times only up to two thousand not counting coups and regime changes and of course the famous how can we forget this picture time magazine russia the americans openly helped yeltsin in a rigged election keep our yanks to the rescue they were quite proud about their meddling back then they even made a movie spinning boris congratulating the ninety six million eighty six don't forget to vote face date you know. well i think it's just

a case over double standards you know but you know that it's interesting you're right but they don't see it that way they can't see this far away from their face when it comes to issues like this well you know the problem is also with oh elite you know the response of rush and he is usually you are using oss in your internal struggle well for to tell you terry and i do it would you with global explorations which is no reason in the united states there is no difference between foreign and domestic policy and your foreign forty c. is spot of your domestic importance so you know they were trying to go in there just when you get to a short break and after that short break we'll continue what those thirteen russian state with our.

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that's who we are where americans were smooth enough but what that's not us americans are crude ruthless huckster golf claims sharks that's who we are and that's who john travolta is that's why i don't like a barack obama that's what the lunchroom. welcome back to crossfire for all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. all right gentlemen to switch gears here and go back to serious go back to the middle east. last couple of days we had secretary of state rex tillerson in ankara trying to smooth some feathers i mean both countries would realize that they're at

a crisis point here after a three hour meeting with the turkish president. there is the impression at least that some kind of agreement was made i don't get that impression the way it was what was released here what was the point of the meeting and what is the main bone of contention here because this is these are nato allies and they're going toe to toe no to know is in a country syria where neither one of them should be hit with this this was obviously two for washington to hold her guns hands tried to reassure him it was it's there over there are meeting of the white p.g.d. on turkish border. there's the kurds and owning a a large chunk basically claiming as it of their own of syrian territory again much of it right on the turkish and and the iraqi border. so turkey's extremely upset about this there were these optics didn't do much because even as tillerson was

arriving there was the announcement that the pentagon is going to be giving another five hundred fifty million dollars this year to arm and otherwise support these forces that he's very upset about but there has to be a tipping point here demon i mean everyone is and is invested enormously in this operation here all of the branch unbelievably it's called the invasion of the invasion of syria here i mean and the united states is not making it very it's saying the pen. and saying it will stay in syria indefinitely against international law here something has to go one way or another well what happened was the united states indeed kind of provoked into moving and that's was that was started by all foreign minister sergei lavrov who said because of the support of the kurds thought of the kurds and you know this border security forces. started talking about them or they didn't tell the turks didn't know exactly provoke or provided a pretense and basically i don't understand providing mr tillotson this talking to

god because god has been saying the same thing so i still don't know about the united states in the last two weeks he accused the united states off helping terrorists you know so you can see how desperately the u.s. is trying to preserve its relationship with. the background of this is that we have an upcoming meeting in istanbul with iran turkey and russia it seems to me is basically checking out the terrain here ok because the united states is certainly not going to quote you are not cooperating in this regard when it comes to the kurds they'd it seems to me it's patently obvious that the u.s. wants a statelet it wants a partition of the israelis wanted the saudis are going to want to work and they want their own and they and we have to look at the occupied territory where the u.s. says if this is where the gas fields are for syria again no money for reconstruction ok so everyone is looking at the horizon and i think he's looking for maybe he's

going into the grand bazaar go ahead these are two illegal invasions of syria to nato allies which are working at the moment at cross purposes they're dangerous for syria and i think that is important point to remember as for him he has to try and balance the fact that he's now in conflict with the united states so he is now trying to get some kind of arrangement with the russians and the you. radians to try and balance the am i really the usa being what is being proposed that the turks in him merican his work together militarily when the americans are in bed with the kurds i mean that's not going to happen get out and this is the problem the same john that he's trying to leverage the russians against the americans he's trying to use the americans to leverage against the russians so that he can extract concessions in syria can we which exactly he's clueless may be a right cause just

a few days ago when the reports about a turkish army using chemical weapons. appeared what was the reaction from the spokesperson for the u.s. led coalition. but the u.s. coalition has no information of this before when there were there was just a rumor about the syrian government using chemical weapons immediately they had was that while they had they had a lot of rhetoric for something they never ever happened they didn't even send inspectors there that they were so sure that this information was correct went to turkey somehow they preferred to be silent is the interesting thing to mark is that we have to look at the internal dynamics of turkey and everyone's perceived american stance is very popular domestically for him so this is again another part of the spectrum that he's playing i mean he first of all he accused the u.s. of a coup trying to overthrow his government u.s. back to under the bed probably the only coup that i believe the u.s.

has been in recent times but it's an enormously popular with his islamist based and their base is as long as that on top of that he's turned his country into basically the whole day resort for all of the jihadi across the world who are been barking into syria for the last six years if he suddenly god doesn't about face turns away from al qaeda turns away from regime change in syria he's got to deal with them on his own sort of who is the. but he also has your view with alex is that again going back to this. meeting with. the iranians the russians and the turks is that. what everyone is doing is wanting to make sure that he is part of some kind of peace process were two countries russia and iran can play a forceful role instrumental role because the united states is the spoiler ok it's the spoiler country it's not interested in any kind of conflict resolution that's

the kind of gambit he's. also trying to use he's deals with the russians to extend he's influence into syria he's now sending troops into syria. or teary occupation in syria with the us that he said he sent in troops the province there obstructing the syrian. patrols openly with all clarity and that's that's that's where the that's the mecca of jihad right now exactly and of course he's doing that using these arrangements that he's made with the russians and the iranians to delete to legitimize that there is another side because of course that the russians are they say what we need the cooperation. we have and there's going to be. there's a lot of chatter. that is really sort of looking for a real real meaningful scary conflict with the iranians also with hezbollah or do you see this is a part of a puzzle piece right now because you know that would you know for planners for

american planners in the pentagon it would be nice to have a foothold in syria if an operation like that were to be pulled off i prefer to stay on the ground the fact let's just look at the facts israel has been firing missiles on the territory of a sovereign state in the condition of a foreign intervention of the civil war several times or one hundred. going to look at exactly you know. their own butt. what a victim of a huge terrorist act three years ago and no one in the west even expressed condolences you know israel has been occupying lebanon since one thousand eight hundred two and that was the reason why it has but what came into being it didn't have not existed before and now is an l which has been applauded. for intervention in syria is concerned about its security and the increased influence of iran. but

they got a very. cold message that the syrians will start defending their airspace to what degree that will be put into play we don't know i mean it certainly sent a very powerful message we don't know to what degree that. the russians or the remains were involved in that decision might i kinda think it was assad saying hey this is my country stop doing it as mark said you know enough is enough but look you know we've had this media hype this week you know michael war office dream has come true all the western media what exactly are the former head of the cia thinks i'm going to be buried in syria and the deal was start to kill russian he said you need to kill russians and iranians to syria to make them pay a price for resisting what i have but russians have been i mean what happened was that near these oil reach areas of syria you know the syrian government i mean that question with basically illegal arms from there if you were the syrian government

absolutely there are there were. full of the russians and syrians up five russians killed this is what the russian foreign labor contractors they are conspirators going to see if the united states doesn't use a cave to me blackwater and the contractors so that western media try to make out to it a huge revelation like something that portion of wants to highlight if. it's pocket army or something like this. things like that alex you know one of the things is that you know one we keep tabs on in this program is what's going on in ukraine and unfortunately i think we're going to be talking a lot about ukraine a year. you know looking at syria looking at ukraine it in its totality it looks like american policy is just pure spite you know it's they their regime change. and ukraine getting work out the way they want it because they lost crimea they have a frozen conflict against warm every once in

a while and even hot and then we have syria where they lost again it's ok and yemen ok i mean. me i would call that mature foreign policy because i think that it is in america's best interests it's its foreign policy but i think you know the anger is perhaps stronger than some bite and i think there is an element of under smashing about but it's also partly i think intended to show american power for a few to frustration but there is an element there is a certain element of chemical in which that if if you withstand you we hurt and you see that a lot in syria mark for forty seconds here i mean i want to go back to the one and to listen what's your gut feeling what deal was made and what the non deal that was maybe i don't think there was any deal made turkey's proposal that they would basically do a joint invasion of syria that was right there but that was rhetorical that's not

even that's not something that's happening on the ground going to happen the u.s. earlier promised turkey that all of its pet y p g branded as the s.d.f. would be withdrawn east of the euphrates which means in particular man b. this is what erdogan wants he wants african drabble as corridor which he already has and may be for his new trunk of the ottoman in the autumn an empire in fact he referred to giving the us an autumn in. slapp which if you actually look it up in the urban dictionary you'll find it actually is an indication of complete ineffectual that's ok i think that very insightful nowhere brought out of time many thanks to my guests here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for our extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember crosstalk rules.

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the. mourners grieve for the victims of sunday's church massacre in southern russia which investigators think could have been and act of terrorism. turkey's president otoh and reportedly threatens consequences if syrian forces enter their own city of our friend after. rumors they were preparing to help kurdish militias repel a turkish offensive. and in the midst of the alleged russian meddling song there a former cia director admits the u.s. doesn't interfere in other countries elections when it's for a good cause.