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it's into a sort of free for governments on the basis of the idea that they're doing something worthwhile and look at anything they want i think george you're going to have to run if you're afraid we're out of time i wish we could go longer but apologies political activist george barda poor viola see this group international many thanks guys. and that wraps it up i'll see you in half an hour. from north korea to syria's president donald trump's foreign policy is literally all over the mouth north korea says it is open to direct talks with washington only to be met with preconditions in syria peace is within view but this is not what the trumpet ministration wants.
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i mention are times are we going underground within hours of a unanimous vote for a russian u.n. security council resolution on the world's worst humanitarian crisis yemen it came after rejection of a british plan by both moscow and beijing coming out of the show where's the money for grown fell we speak to one of corbin's key allies in the british parliamentary labor party chris williamson about storm is he and what the e.u. will do you know jeremy corbyn has thrown down the gauntlet on free trade and the nature of civil war we should those who support both sides of the afrin equation washington speak aka allies and then corazon a special forces a story's a made continues britain's defacto support for is the best insurgents in syria plus
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we'll look at the papers with my turn a senior editor at the independent on my news site involved politics all the civil war coming up in today's going on the ground but first to our top story is the bookies favorite to replace tereza may as prime minister clarifies his position on the world's sixth largest economy leaving the neoliberal project that is the european union jeremy call been supporting transitional membership of a trade union a stablished in one nine hundred fifty eight arguably confirms his opposition to the e.u. has always been about sovereignty and accountability. powers of come from parliaments they haven't gone to the european parliament they've gone to the commission to some extent the council of ministers these are quite serious matters joining me now jeremy corbin's for the shadow fire and emergency services minister chris williams and chris thanks for coming back on just before we talk about the bricks and customs union initiatives or declarations of the past forty eight hours storms e the brit award winner graeme artist what do you make of the fact that is pretty.
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it has gone past the amount where they're going to have to debate in parliament grunfeld how are my dishes attentive failing and clearly the government have not covered themselves in glory at all the response has been woeful and there i think something like a hundred families still in temporary accommodation and i really do feel the local community there and the wider public do feel that the people the residents the survivors of the ground feel tragedy been bitterly let down by this government and indeed the local authority in the area because it was one of the worst fires many dead to raise in may downing street saying that may will listen to anyone with concerns about funds but i mean you can i mean storm in glastonbury when she was sharing a stage with your leaders and we heard the authorities tell the truth we urge the government to be held accountable for the mean is that the kind of anger that you recognize very much so people are livid about the way in which they've been treated i've spoken to some of the survivors both mark busty is the shadow found emergency
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minister on the deed in a proper bus the two and the people do feel terribly let down i mean this is just appalling really going choir there's an inquiry but you know people want action immediately and the government promises that people are been let down i think the two things really warm a need and well we would need a quick action in the first instance i mean anything that happens now is still too late boy at least something needs to happen swiftly now i think because people have been left on the scrapheap effectively so that needs to be addressed people need permits of accommodation for the survivors but the wider points about the inquiry obviously we need to ensure that there is an inquiry that does get to the bottom of not just what happened but how it happened why it happened because if we're going to learn lessons and we need to make sure that we're looking at the sort of circumstances allow those political decisions to be taken that actually resulted in the tragedy granfer last year let's move on to this news in the past forty eight hours i should say there's a silent march on the fourteenth of march for grand fell to the mainstream media little on the go. when to understand your leader's position on record as regards
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a customs union there's been a degree of hyperbole leading up to jeremy speech and if you look at our manifesto we were clear in that where we said that we wanted to retain the benefits both of the customs union and the single markets and you know people in germany people like emily form bri and others have made the case for there to be a bit spoke e.u. u.k. customs union and jeremy i think is just fleshing that out now and clarifying our position it does make sense it seems to me to ensure that we get a break say that works in the interests of the vast majority of people not the on accountable wealth which i think the conservative party be quite happy to see a kind of deregulated tax saving in this country you know provides great opportunities to generate even more wealth for people who are already incredibly wealthy as it is we know what brussels did to countries that voted for their own exits from ireland to denmark to greece they're not they're going to be able to see
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through this of the one that i think so i mean these negotiations of corbin would be involved and be pretty tough along the way because of the union a little but i think the sort of place where we're coming from is that we want to ensure that we kind of have an arrangement with the european union i mean we acknowledge that there is an important point and you outflanking the european union negotiators if you were in government. well we would actually negotiate a whole lot in the interests of britain clearly to make sure that we as i said get a brics it is in the interests of most people that actually works to grow our economy to grow our manufacturing and you know i think the end of the day in the your opinion would get some benefit from that as well because they sold quite a lot goes as we know in to the u.k. as well as others wanting to sell goods there and then of course you've got the you know the point that jeremy made him in his speech to the the complicated factor particularly in relation to manufactured goods and think he cited the example of
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the car industry in many where you know across the english channel before it's actually completed on two or three occasions that haven't got sort of proper customs union in place that creates all sorts of problems and obstacles to our industry and obviously we need to i think find a way forward where we have a customs union not the customs union that actually works in the interests of both parties ok in brussels negotiation would say that in return for loss of sovereignty there italian elections coming up who knows there will be italian politicians campaigning this week saying look we get it when there's a chance you can have a customs union with the european union and still maintain some degree of greater sovereignty than we would while staying in the european union what happens of this set of example across europe obviously that's a matter for each individual country to determine whether they want to remain or leave the european union britain is the sixth biggest economy in the world is an important trading partner with the european union. it has a law that we have in common i think with our european neighbors we are keen to
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kind of maintain those relationships with the european union the european people as it were and as i've said i think it's in both our interest to find a way through this where the labor party differs of course to the tories is that you know we haven't got these. ideologically driven absolutely crazed. horde bricks tears who want to sever any relationship it seems. with the european union in its entirety and do indeed in my view want to create a deregulated tax haven but we went to take a very very different approach to that and we're determined to make sure the said that we have a brics it that is in the interests of the many not the few colleagues of yours in parliament have been on this program recently talking about british exports to saudi arabia which is we in again bombing yemen and stand you and. secretary and we thought. you know been tweeting about and you've written about honduras in central america what has britain got to do with the or socratic
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behavior of us back to your well it seems that there is no. regime that we are not prepared to export to and one of the things that in some duress which is a very kind of repressive right wing regime that has been hostile to democracy and government yes indeed absolutely i think of two thousand and nine as a q two thousand a two thousand and nine and you know they've been repaired repressing the opposition repressing the kind of progressive forces in honduras and this government has allowed exports of spyware technology to be sold to the. government to spy on the you know the opposition in the thousand detained plundered zinj not so this is this is shocking frankly and it shows the desperate need for an ethical foreign policy that actually you know addresses these sorts of abuses of human rights and we know the government wants to get rid of the human rights act it seems you know they're quite happy to trample on human rights anywhere in the world
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so long as they can make a quick buck out of it and frankly we would not subscribe to that and would have a different approach was really to thank you. well joining me now to go through some of this week's headlines is senior editor of independent news website evolved politics matt turner he recently got a u.k. parliamentary lobby buzz to possibly attend tonight's westminster. respondents did ring the house of commons yes that is true how come i didn't get invitation. now you mean on this you're probably the whole we were to be rescinded. we called putin's mouthpiece let's go to office really anyway we've got labor m.p.'s who cozy up to russia should be ashamed to focus on the labor m.p.'s obviously. perceived to be quite politically motivated comment piece i mean i think the real issue here is the attacks and i say you know i come on the show clearly because i view r.t. as a kind of media outlet similar to evolve in a sense that you were uprooted and. marginalized issues there are
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a message from the mainstream press and that is no bad thing you know and i mean what do you think of the two when they say away from the labor m.p.'s rule r.t. is allowed to operate here says rupert murdoch's times i think that is particularly important and i think the attacks on our take on more have kind of punishes and to russian point scoring than they are of any real concern. political or journalistic integrity and i think that's made for with that argument of mine i should say the russian embassy has denied the two men claiming to be in the brewing industry approached labor and be at a community pool but they also i have to say boris drugs enough threatening military action in syria strikes russian embassy in london saying that they may well be concocted the images of chemical weapons at pinewood studios i think i think they're slightly jerky anyway let's go now to liam fox because it gets more serious than rupert murdoch's papers in this next headline liam fox visiting brussels today indeed on the mail online liam fox into this in
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a way that they left with the soviet union's useful idiots and the involves a german government threaten the u.k.'s national security in the cold war we have to be careful because it was a solicitor's letter has been sent and jeremy corbin has denied being a spy and traitor who betrayed his country yeah i think liam fox is said pretty much all he can without getting a legal letter. self obviously ben bradlee and the finance field i think his apology the vice chair of the tory party yeah yeah which was the apology which he wrote on twitter is the most three tweeted tweet of any conservative politician of any sign which is successful social media for the tories very good about it when it comes to being a so-called useful idiot for the soviet union i would kind of point to nearly that early day motion which jeremy corbin saw and that's lee supporting work as resistance against stalinism in eastern europe so it's clear from that i think that he wasn't a particular fan of the soviet union and simply questioning our foreign policy in questioning the agenda which we followed was certainly russia continually being
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abused over eastern and the attacks often unverified footage being used as verified but this piece from drone was in freedom and from asian request not on the news anywhere in this country involving a lot of money that's not. being covered at all of drone wars you know the cost of care in drone strikes in iraq and syria of recent huge everything is just under two billion pounds which is the ministry of defense and the british government say no civilians no evidence of any civilians being killed by this two billion pounds worth of drone warfare operations i think i would argue that see the naivete liberally misleading specially when you kind of look at the figures where it says that the u.k. is actually spent less on humanitarian assistance in iraq and they have spent on trying to strike at the moment it's clear you know in the kind of words tony benn if you can find money to kill people you can fly money to help people or whatever
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side you are on the syrian civil war there's no doubt there have been masses of refugees so let's go to this next story about. about how britain is dealing with refugees yes this one from the canary about the yells with hunger strike which is going to the moment a wake up call for the case even humane detention policy un may not have been allowed to go in but the british government does maintain these are not really. anyway there are many of them are people who have faked their refugee status according to the government yeah there are hunger strike rate under fifty people. and that is what brought in there was seven questions on the response to because. what did you make of the point i think i think it's more of a pivot than a genuine answer you know we didn't address at home destroyed he didn't address the inhumane treatment which is seemingly going on here. now but by kind of private contractors hired up by the government and this isn't a new issue you know there's been many many reports of an agenda by spot and so you
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also would for a long time i think it's really important that we kind of keep up the pressure on this issue so deny those claims of statements you know website u.n. security council discussing syria today the military and situation you think will be any mention of british treatment of those seeking asylum i would hope so. i'll be social i'm sure they'll be more focused on the conflicts in syria at the moment softly than the treatment of refugees who have less here and come here and i've ended up in a place like ellsworth which to be honest nobody nobody just to be in a position like that. thank you after the break nature of war with itself is jokey deploy more troops to northern syria we have both sides of the story all the more. going on. at the moment we've had the period of fake the flame. engineered by all the central
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banks and that they don't have the control that they think that they have and once you start to see this being picked up in markets like the gold market and others you know you've got to start to see it feed on itself in a big way. welcome bagus turkey denies pentagon claims of or arguably the nato civil war in northern syria what exactly is going on and why does tourism is government to factors of water tax on those allied to washington and moscow joining me now is michelle hours and the women's representative of the kurdish national congress thanks so much for coming back on so nothing really in the mainstream media of major nations about this what is the situation in africa human rights watch saying three attacks in january killed twenty six including many children. the numbers are getting is much
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higher now that on the ground it's over two hundred people civilians being killed a lot of children and love elderly's and women have been killed in their homes and also there is attacks occurring guys you was used to exit go over a week ago to exceed i mean we nearly and the doctors in the hospital have verified seven people was injured i think there are two very seriously injured i think one of the last is like one lost their lives and that the humanitarian crisis is really it's in a very very serious stage where nobody is talking about well the turkish government deny any civilian casualties certainly die in the chemical attacks here and of course they can't say yes we are doing we don't have any verification either we're talking about efren ephron bear in mind efren was the one of the region which i said could never penetrate into it and it was one of the region actually war never touched the people in africa have resisted all the you know all the external forces
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and they created a peaceful kind of a peaceful democratic life there and they have i think about one point five or two times more refugees or the i.d.p.'s from the syrian region into them into efren and they're actually helping them without any support and if down support or without any united nations was a people or even families that have been families so this is a region that wasn't touch up until now a bunch of turkey decided to go and invade this woman it is quite amazing that the way b.g. that are protecting this population i'm sure you would assert. it is as god training logistical support and equipment from the law trump administration in washington is arguably being protected by vladimir putin backed troops how is. how is it how a seventy civilians dying if you have the world's two major military superpower supporting you america is not supporting much people
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a friend they're putting their notes on with the millions of dollars don't go as money we're talking about air power from turkey that turkey is bombing from the air and there are the second strongest nato army and they're using about thousands of jihadists on the ground and they're much more acute than actually the kurdish forces and the kurds don't have any air power and you know and then the airspace is open to turkey to come in go and bone and there is a running hundreds of bombs during this time each reason is foreign secretary. turkey is right to want to keep its borders safe so that's the position of the british government very much against arguably washington and moscow while the saving is him because it was the kick against y.a.g. terrorists allow the y.p. g.-d's the people of kurdistan region they've been there that people in that region they believe they're and they leave their families are there so they're protecting themselves against isis bear in mind between two thousand and fourteen and fifteen
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when isis was actually except if in but isis was all run the border with turkey turkey did not complain about it and then it was the kurds who fought against it and turkey was watching on the other side and in fact they were even letting the free access in and out of the country thousands tens of thousand of jihadists are told that they've crossed from turkey into into the region in in the border and turkey was not concerned and sudden isis is cleared and isis and the midst of isis finally war against isis is almost you know nearing and turkey start to be very uncomfortable and it's your contention that major britain's nato ally turkey has been arming isis diaster according i mean there was a columbia university i mean we know we know from a lot of information that turkey has been. you know allowing for access in and out of the out of it and even jihad is some of the arrested sheriffs are saying and we know that there is turkey is only one way to get into for the jihad is to travel into syria and it is the easiest way and which they've done again but are you
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encourage that the white house has not certainly not confirmed claims by the turkish foreign minister the dog. has said to mr everyone no more funding for the white p.g. so that could save another massacre you think there may be a massacre being blurred the lines between the turkey and the groups that they're using isis and isis alleges and some of the isis militants are just changing clothes and becoming their owners for the next they kind of you know it is. a very easy conversion between between the forces and i think we're going is there to finish what isis couldn't finish with the people of the region with the kurds and also the going is there to go to all the way to aleppo because he's saying you know a little was autumn and autumn on land then we will go there and they will start praying and the mosque will be praying praying in our local most so his dream is not to stop in a friend his dream is to go down all the way to aleppo and not on his dream but a lot of majority of turkish people are saying you know we want our land back in
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this land was also it was invaded by the ottoman for a certain time and it was then sort of recovered from them i suppose and the so turkey is there to stay and they say that and it is the politician who says that it is the people go to social media the t.v. the british mainstream t.v. the b.b.c. would not cover anything about what's turkey you know what turkey is doing because they're selling hundreds of thousands of what weapons and turkey is using every day dropping on the people and the people of towns and villages and houses and turkey saying we are there not to come back we're there to stay here thank you thank you we contacted the turkish embassy in london about the allegations my. and in this interview and they said these expressions are unfounded allegations joining the planning and execution of operation olive branch all necessary measures have been taken in order to ensure that civilians on its harmed country to the allegations
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any type of ammunition that is prohibited by international law and agreements is strictly not used by the turkish armed forces turkey has long been at the forefront of efforts to counter terrorist organizations including the p.k. k k c k p y d y p g darwish al qaida and their affiliates and turkey is a key stakeholder in the fight against arash it should not be forgotten that an area of almost two thousand kilometers squared between. us has recently been cleansed from dice terrorists. well to get the other side of the argument now i'm joined by turkish political scientist and storing dr mehmet parents second is currently in moscow russia med welcome to going underground again we've heard their horrific allegations of turkish military using chemical weapons of killing hundreds in the african against the u.s. backed and defacto russia backed why p.g.
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in africa what is turkey trying to achieve there yeah but. let's go problem gunda of the lest. before the military men tension they publish all is like that. the for example before iraqi war be told that saddam has mass killing new poems and after be apologized for it but i want to underline that in the operation all of branch turkish armed forces are fighting against a terrorist organisation not. senior people. and. are terrorist organizations at thing. and in turkey his organization is also it's possible for a large number of terrorist acts in iraq and in iran to that's why the operation of the turkish armed forces is their contribution to peace and security in the region
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i think why do you think then that the trumpet ministration has poured hundreds of millions of millions of dollars maybe into supporting the white b.g. of elliot's yeah yet the people of presumably the white house would say they're doing that because they want to fight isis vanish yes try because night isis was funded by us saying and you're a c.e.o. is using isis to legalize the curtis separatism it's very important i think that. we are fighting ben we're america wants them to and then they cooperate but we have my the new u.s. ambassador to london on the program i'm sure he would immediately deny that the united states government began and created. from satan as part of the game the key and since the beginning of surprises in syria a few i need help in support of directed by the united states the american chief of
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staff called this organization picket heat and light as if planned for us and according to their own u.s.c. fans than five thousand tracks loads of people on what you're saying these would be describing a nato civil war under article five that would allow the anchorage bomb washington . is this seriously the state of nato the nato alliance to. yet turkish armed forces are fighting against their power kontrol directly by the usa and. wondering why not that israel needs portal reported after an operation with the headline not end of nato and it is right i think because frequently is not between turks and kurds the conflict between turkey and the nato between
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usa and then you likely don't like washington what about the fact that it's a russian backed troops that are also protecting the us trained y p g an african no i think turkey and turkey and syria is on the. on the syrian side but there is a syrian on whom the forces are surrounding our friend backed of course by russia and iran no i think there is not cooperation between the mosque in p. why did the stock to pull operation of two. army deacon if you might need that for you might be begun to surround syria what do you think that will happen if turkish troops kill one of donald trump soldiers in northern syria yes i. was nick did cry but i think it's just one sick area and being an united states playing for draw all our muster off the rock had clashed arriving grogs of
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the eurasia and the s. temple three nights of the soul device the concrete in the region is hamper for the unification then growth on your asia well kind of because finally you are happy though with britain's position dres amaze foreign secretary saying that he has the right to protect its borders britain definitely not supporting washington or moscow defacto in afrin yeah it's not for the good because. you can see that the and their god is now alone in the wrong. they they have not backed us now they have. been briefed in the united kingdom on the run of the important partner of usa but now trump is along and i plan to act thank you. thank you and that's it for the show will be back on saturday to talk to the
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venezuelan government as news sanctions against the nation with the biggest known oil reserves in the world come into force still then he would go back by social media was the atheist of the day the california reagan standard oil company struck oil in commercial quantities in saudi arabia money from that saudi oil is today used to purchase u.k. weapons threatening millions in yemen. a
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cease fire in syria's eastern. failure for a second that's russia's reconsideration center says the terrorists shelling is preventing hundreds of civilians from leaving the enclave. for some of the big committee confirms the country's been reinstated as an i.o.c. member after remaining drugs tests from the winter olympics proved to be negative. on the south africa's parliament passes a motion that could see the taiwan population stripped of their land without compensation.
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