to do to end the suffering of the syrian people that should have been the priority from early on and you know that was not the case so today my our organizations are going our mandate is not about regime change it's not about you know getting rid of us it's about how do we end the violence between among all sides and that's why we do call in russia which has a role to play which has influence to bear to play the role of the u.s. also should not be what we made clear is that the u.s. should not use syria as a battlefield against iran or or whether it's a battlefield to try to stop iran or to block iran that should not be the goal the goal today and i believe this for some time early on should be to end the violence and the conflict and for the political issues to the side for now but you know you have hundreds of thousands of syrians who died as a result of this conflict they should be the ones who are thinking. ok rob we're going to take a short break right now and when we're back we'll continue talking to robert malley obama administration's advisor on the middle east and president all their reaction

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now we're back with robert malley is a obama administration's advisor on isis on the middle east now had of the international crisis group talking about the war in syria is growing more and more complex mr malley you met president assad in person do you think you will stop short of conquering the whole territory from the rebels i mean what recovering its unity under asad may ultimately be better for syria than splintering it into a patchwork of rebel warlord controlled areas. so i made him many many years ago before before the war so i can't i can't really claim that i know from those meetings how he would react i think we know from the way he's been conducting the war that the goal is to reconquer or to retake as much of syria's possible and perhaps all of syria i don't think that that's something that's going to happen in the near term because of turkey's presence and because of the u.s.

and kurdish presence in the in the east so i don't i don't think that that's going to be an attainable goal it is a goal that in the medium to long term the regime is going to continue pursuing you know is going to raise an issue i mean again one one could one could say that when they take a position one way or the other about whether assad should go but it is clear that there be many constituencies in syria would not be thrilled to see the regime extend its writ back on them and not part of the country where there are solutions and i know that this is part of what different countries are talking about whether the solutions that would involve greater decentralization in syria so that some of the areas that have been. not under control of the regime for some time could be slightly more ptolemy's even though they fall under the sovereignty of the state that's something that needs to be discussed in the context of the political the political talks that are ongoing go whether in geneva or took place in sochi in the context of talk about a new constitution so theoretically should the come through as

a country be reunited and not be a patchwork and not have influence by different countries of course and i'm sure that's what most syrians would want i don't think that's realistic under current conditions it may not be realistic as long as the regime is what it is today i don't know that's that's obviously something that the syrians are going to have to decide but there is unfortunate lot of blood that's been spilt and i'm sure this. it's going to take some time for many syrians to reconcile themselves to the different reality now the geneva she asked to not talks about achievements such as the from the confliction zone observation pos reconciliation centers but obviously failed to dent the greater war itself can post war syria be decided during this conferences i'm in is that realistic. you know having spent a long time in geneva both with the russian colleagues but also with the un and others it's hard to be particularly hopeful that was going to be decided in geneva

is going to make much of a as much of a difference as one might have hoped the reality on the ground is what's going to determine the future of syria that means the balance of power between among the warring parties the warring syrian parties in there the regime certainly appears to have the upper hand in most of syria i think as i said the exception is the larger the kurdish areas and it live but then there's also the competition as you say among foreign powers turkey iran israel. cetera and. there are their views are also going to weigh heavily as to the future of syria so my own i think my own in crisis group's own assessment is that at this point we are looking at a house work that's not by any means ideal and hopefully that can move towards a more decentralized syria in which foreign parties exit but that's again i think we're at it depends on what time horizon you're talking about i think for now the aspiration should be the priority should be lessened if not end the violence and if

that means having zones that are slightly different in terms of the way they're governed and choose the kind of influence of the regime. if that's the price to pay that's an acceptable price to pay in order to stop the suffering the bombing of hospitals the bombing of civilians the displaced with the refugee if that what we need to do is put a priority on that and that may mean for some time that syria will not be as unified as as a regime or others may like it to be so they've taken flexion agreements don't include jihad as brigades fighting in italy or elsewhere and since they control the whole lot of territory i mean assad soldiers will and have the right to move into a blip and fight them. and that's probably going to do if it comes down to it so it is to conflicts and therefore it's just a symbolic move saying how it doesn't really concern the main front of the war. so i mean this is been one of the issues that since two thousand and fifteen we've been debating with russia and others when i was in the ministration our crisis

group is grappling with which is of course. you know we can't treat jihad as same way as you treat as civilians and they are already that are going to have to change a behavior are they going to have to be fought. but it was all too often it's been used as a pretext justification to go in and bomb everyone including if they're not out it's then and again on you know there may be disagreement on this but that's certainly been the experience that i saw the screen so there are a lot of folks on the ground that the figure leave for the pretext of saying we're going after jihad this we don't have to miss really going after al qaeda is often used to indiscriminately bomb people are nothing to do with them now the answer to that is a not indiscriminately bomb of course but it's also to find ways to pressure those groups either so that they disband or that they they they change i mean this is not this is been one of the issues that has plagued syria and again i think responsibility is not only on the regime and its allies many of the supporters of the opposition turned a blind eye when some of the more the less jihad is groups were. intermingled

with the job as groups and that became a real issue and that's partly why we are in the situation we're in today but if again if one takes the position that the goal the priority today must be to lessen if not end the violence then we need to take some time where we're going to stop the bombing and try to resolve the question of what to do with jihad as groups and to do it in a way that actually does not go into effect and kill civilians because i think you know this and your audience know this under international law it's not an excuse to say the reason we bombed civilians is because we were going after after terrorists sometimes united states has done the same thing and not on the scale that russia is doing in syria i would argue but sometimes other countries have gone in on the on the claim that they were going after terrorist groups they've often hit civilians. it seems to be happening in series that's being done in a more deliberate way in a more large scale way and that's that's really what needs to stop all right so

this whole assad must say assad moscow issue has been a debate forever and washington was first very adamant about assad must go now we hear well wait you can maybe stay do you feel that state department has a clear cut line one it comes to syria doesn't really know what it's doing as i think what happened is we went for as you say for a period of a sudden must go then during the first months of the trump administration it sounded as if that position had softened if you go back and look at some of the statements of secretary of state tillerson or u.n. ambassador nikki haley made one thought that maybe there was a shift of late very clearly certainly in the words of circular tillerson we're back to assad must go as i said earlier i think for already now should not be assad stays as goes we all could have our views and whether he is the right person to lead syria at this time but the party for international crisis group is not let's

not focus on that now let's focus on ending the war and let's not make intermingle the humanitarian concern which is the bombing of hospitals or bombing of civilians the shelling of damascus by rebel groups that's not and obviously the bombing by the regime as i was mentioning earlier there's an exact with the political objectives which some people may still have we need to put those aside the political objectives of those need to be resolved at the negotiating table they're not going to be resolved in the battlefield at this point so so i think that's the i think the position of the state department today and of the i assume of the white house is clearer than it had been in the first ones of the trapped in this regime there back to the notion that assad needs to go the geneva process needs to leave to his his departure and again eisenberg i negotiated this with some of the many russians and many others we would spend. years arguing over whether such should leave in a month or in two months or in six months. and years have gone by so let's not waste more time on that question i mean there is no railways in india wasting more going to milan italy but like you've said it does feel like you know the state dept

is back on to the outside moscow thing you know and i mean isn't it a little strange i mean you seem like a sensible man like you're not really picking sides is it a little strange the fact that there is a country or several countries which openly demand change in other governments by force why is that ok and if minutes well it just said you know sorry we've had enough of you trump you must go on bet he knows star arming and extremists how would that look like to america you know if i had to do the list of who's responsible i think we wouldn't we would have enough time in an hour but certainly the the regimes disproportionate response the decision by by several outsiders to to as i say makes the objective which is to end the violence with the political objective which was to get rid of assad the fact is sir became a battleground for regional insurance between iran saudi arabia turkey its us then russia all of that and the fact that people were in

a way encouraging the rebels to believe they could topple the regime which which only food for the few of the comp i think you know will have time in the months and years to come to look back and learn everything that shouldn't have been done in syria and i said think everyone is going to come out of this looking pretty bad the regime may be worse by some measure but everyone else will look will look bad as well but i think there will be time to debate that to debate the bigger question about humanitarian so vention one is a justified one is not justified that's the debate that has been taking place now for some decades but let's not be paralyzed by that debate and let's focus on what really matters today and which is that's just silence the guns so you know there's the question i you know everyone will have their opinion was the right to call from a bar for khadafy for saddam hussein for for for us to leave what has it meant for the middle east was that the right approach i think crisis group has had. as we're in the past many times about the big flaws of u.s. policy that has tried to impose its will on other countries and often in ways that

have hurt not just the countries but in the u.s. as well as we've seen certainly in iraq that let's you know we could have that debate is a worthy debate to have because there's also the day what does one do if one sees massacres in countries whether it's from the wrong or in syria with hundreds of thousands of people are killed does the international community whoever that whatever that means does it have a responsibility to step in and to stop that they've got a real question that people have to face to which we don't have a good answer today but you know all of those questions will have plenty of time to resolve the need to be resolved but let's not use that as a reason not to address the media urgent question of how to stop the killing in syria. all right mr malley thanks a lot for this interview were talking to robert malley former advisor to president obama now president and c.e.o. of the international crisis group discussing crisis in syria and that's it for this edition of cell phone call see you next time. thank you.

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online privacy concerns after it's revealed that software promising ultimate anonymity and used to access the notorious top web is funded by u.s. government agencies. it's six o'clock here in moscow and you're watching all t. international live from our studio with me and if you were to welcome to the program early indications from italy's election show that voters have dealt a blow to the establishment parties with the five star movement in line to become the single biggest party. that's the five star movement leader reacting to the exit results shortly after the polls closed a clearly ecstatic. who's just thirty one years old says he's now ready to find

coalition partners to try and form a government. weeks of deal making lie ahead but it's thought that italy will end up with a center right governing coalition the five star movement didn't have a campaign partner there are other groupings though the anti immigration league party teamed up with four time prime minister silvio berlusconi from go italy and the people of freedom party but it's going to himself is banned from holding office for another year over a fraud conviction leaked party leader matteo salvini has already put his name in the hat to be italy's next prime minister. we are now under obligation to form a center right coalition we have a right and a duty to rule in the coming years. and this is a a joke and i was following the post-election reaction in rome for us. this was an election that was meant to bring stability and clarity to italian politics but it seems to have done anything but that with of course the antiestablishment five star

movement rocketing forward as well as the right wing likud nor taking quite many seats from the way things stand right now those parties of course are celebrating victories aborts in terms of the italian moods we have to say there seems to be a lot of confusion in terms of where this is going to head forward because of course nobody has been able to grasp a majority to be able to leave the way and form a government so there's going to be lots of board discussions and negotiations moving forward it seems now we have some of the biggest newspapers in italy today with had lines such as this forward for the m five star movement but the government is in a puzzle here a win for demaio but italy is in governable so these are just really celebrations inside party headquarters but where it really goes from here is the big question we've been gauging some reactions on the streets here in rome when you do let's trust the five star movement here young why not interested after such

a disaster over the past few years we would be left policies didn't make anybody happy this defeat is mainly the result of the democratic party's politics the basically it's a very dictated by fear and despair a people's reaction was expected the votes will go to those who make promises and keep them. more in the same situation which. we find ourselves in political confusion and it's brought about an uncertain result therefore we will face the same trouble again well we've seen some reactions for starters from france where of marine the pan had said that the european union is not having a very relaxing night so to speak we've heard from former you keep leader congratulating the five star movement. as on this is said the mood in italy right now is more one of confusion over both the uncertainty of the final results and discontent with the new voting system today's italian newspaper headlines talk of a mess and an ungovernable italy but that's not exactly how the elections are being

seen in other western media let's take a look at some of the headlines a lot of predicting clash ahead between italy and the e.u. the final election results aren't declared yet but the media is already saying it's a nightmare scenario for brussels as well as a warning and a stinging rebuke somewhat fueled by the league party leaders predictions for the euro zone. have never changed my mind and keep on saying choosing the euro was a mistake it's clear to us that the system of having one common currency is going to end not because he wants it to be the case but because it's a matter of common sense the real economy shows it so we want to be prepared for that moment. ok we're crossing live to milan and the regional sites for the league party in the state of the paolo criminality welcome to the program. ok your party's leader says he expects the eurozone to collapse as quite

a statement what makes him so sure about. the sort of could you repeat because you got the question. ok i'll just repeat the question for your party leader and he's saying that he expects the eurozone to collapse which is quite a big statement to make what makes him so sure about that. we're our intention is not waiting for you collapsing or we just too would like to reorganize the european union and we do want to be you know work around three people are asking with those. election result. so variety law and order so we don't want to destroy europe but we would like and you will. more attentive to our needs i don't know if you if you know the visit get

out the group of. led by poland hungary and that czechoslovakia we have these sort of vision off europe or more conservative more attentive to people and we are not against immigration or generally speaking but we are against. uncontrolled and wide must've immigration and we are now confronted with so we don't want to destroy anything that is not strew that we are extremists that we just wanted to rule our county ok out you say ruin your country but you are in the campaign you had quite a tough immigration stance didn't you can you really strictly keep the promises to the people and what will you actually do in practice.

well as we said. i listened to you or what you said you said that italy is not governable these we'll see in the next day some not so sure about that one thing is sure that we warn here in long body and nobody is the richest and the most important to rejoin immediately and here we want to stop him today we have a new president is the league president and he promised about your question he promised that he will send away the poor to one hundred thousand illegals that are now creating a lot of problems in one body we are not speaking about refugees or people escaping the wards are those people are welcome here but we are speaking about illegals that

survive or here are committing criminal activities and so we promised in the complaint that we will let the poor to them and we will also ask it to the central government we hope it would be a center right the government or to stop or to stop the arrival of the new so-called refugees but we know that they are not the refugees so you ask me how so we keep with those promises sending them back our vision is similar to the one of israel i don't know if you if you know of this policy israel is asking the illegals to leave the kountry if if they do it ok otherwise the police will complain then to their to the borders so we will full of this policy it's it's nothing illegal it's something that is in our right. ok

paolo if we look at the way that have gone during these elections they've clearly shown that disillusionment with the government but there are also strong feelings against your party are you expecting more protests more unrest off to what's been an inconclusive election really hasn't it. we are very happy concerning our party we are very happy for our result because. we are now leading the center right coalition and the results very good you know the region you need to lead and about about to the coalition a to rule the kountry. we see you know if you can't you can do it. and in few days. i think there would be a lot of. we have to.