not say when the cold war was over so was the nuclear threat that loomed over the world but now once again tensions are at its peak between united states and russia with both sides posting new rockets armed and doctor and politicians and media staring a confrontation between the two nations. thinkable one more time while i'm here in harvard to talk about all of this to one of the greatest most prominent minds in a sphere of national security dr graham allison. quickly repeating itself. back from the cold war. but. more advanced.

arsenals. twenty first century. geopolitical game with high stakes. and really great to have you on our program today welcome. last to talk about lots of things going ali. gave his state of the nation speech recently and. new military arsenal capable nuclear weapons basically laying down a marker i mean he said they weren't listening to us before now they will have to listen do you really think this confrontation is all about not listening. it's a good question so basically that what's happened to the state of u.s. russian relations is tragic and i think it is a bit more than a left blame to go around so. i think that

both governments are talking more than they're listening at certainly right but i think the. the. in the american perception of russia it's now become so politicized that it's very hard to assess any thing that you see and this far as i can understand in the russian perception of whatever's happening in the us it's also highly politicized so from the perspective of most of washington demonizing putin and russia is. good politics in the mix people feel better and then for putin and mowed many many russians including some of my friends. they merely saying washington and its politics is good politics works for

a campaign and makes people feel better and what they fail to ask i think is or does this make us safer than we were before or is this leading us into a more dangerous world and i'm afraid the latter so even during the cold war the actual cold war at the still was a framework of communication between moscow and washington during late obama years communications were pretty much all but cut what is not talking to moscow going to achieve i mean how is not talking to moscow going to pressure ain't into doing anything. well i have long been of the view that not talking is. so i would old cold war years i worked for the reagan administration and reagan would often say to conservative republican supporters. i

hate the evil empire my objective is to undermine the evil empire but not to talk to my russian counterpart given that a hazard or so little that could cause the u.s. to disappear would make no sense so i have to talk i have to negotiate i have to ask about how we can reach agreements so that we can see constrain our competition so one of the great lessons very hard to learn during the cold war was that two deadly adversaries still if the if the if the reality is that if we end up in a war i kill you. but also you killed me so if that's the circumstance then that's a choice either of us can make any day but it's a so choice for suicide it would be crazy to allow that to happen by accident or bump on the basis of some misperception or some misunderstanding so what

communication is about even among deadly adversaries and what constraints are about in the arms control constraints is making sure that any catastrophe that occurs will be a deliberate catastrophe because a sane russian government will never have a war with the us that would be suicidal for russia and a sane american government will never have a war with russia that would be suicidal for america so ronald reagan's famous bumper sticker was a nuclear war cannot be won and therefore must never be fought. and so i i've written actually here at the beginning of the trip administration that in some ways we should get back to some of the lessons from the cold war i don't want to go back to the cold war though it seems like we're backing into some version of

it but the lessons that were learned during the cold war about communication and constraints i think are very good lessons for today i mean i think that both sides would tell you right now that the whole military arsenal build up and the reviewing of the doctor reins and all that's going on it's for the deterrence not for the war but i just wonder is this how things are going to be right now i mean building up military and sort of talking is deference to only way you can so these are two separate vectors so building up or building down arms as one story. talking and not talking and even reaching agreements about constraints is another story so i think and i think that i think i would prefer that the u.s. and russia were reaching arms control agreements like they did under reagan and under bush and their group. to reduce our souls but even if the

u.s. and russia are are increasing arsenals maybe especially if they're increasing arsenals including new and different kind of weapons then the communication and constraints becomes even more important because if you're building up your arms and i'm trying to perceive what the consequences of that are for me and i building up my arms including new arms and you're trying to perceive what the consequences are the real fact is if we end up in a war we kill each other so that's a disaster for both of us so would we like to have a chance of that happening. by misperceptions or misunderstandings or accidents or would we like to limit that risk and i think say a sanity suggests we should limit that risk and that's actually what both american and soviet and russian governments that would the conclusion they came to after

having tried the other for some period of time and i suspect in the current competition at some point this fact will reemerge because it's undeniable we can't i don't think anybody has an alternative to reagan's bumper sticker that if it turned out to be zero of war a full scale war between russia and the us both nations will be completely destroyed. i hope we reached that point sooner rather than later but we're not there yet before we get there what do you think will happen to the new start treaty between russia and america that expires in two thousand and twenty one i mean how trump has called it a bad deal many times put in a saying that americans aren't americans are upholding key agreements is a dad no i think question so he answers it certainly is the big question mark and. the munich security summit where i was two weeks ago was that this debate that

i participated in that is over or we are we are beyond the era of arms control because both the. the i.n.f. treaty which both americans and russians coochie other of having violated and now the expiration date for a new start would suggest that in the current mood that is if nothing else changes in the relationship between the u.s. and russia that treaty will leps and now does it make really all that much difference whether the u.s. has fifteen hundred twenty five hundred thirty five hundred. up and said ken which the soviet union or russia don't excuse me it's just extra cold overkill and similarly in terms of the us the why worry a lot about whether russia has thirty five hundred weapons rather than twenty five

hundred or forty five know what i do worry about is that demanding of a competition which could include lead to misunderstandings and misperceptions and accidents and that's why i think that talking and finding ways to agree about constraints is so important try also believe that aspiration that your grandfather. and reagan and bush and obama and putin and medvedev had to try to reduce the role of nuclear weapons in international affairs is is that is the right idea but. i would say that the experience unfortunately has fallen victim to the competition between russia and the u.s. today and i've said as i say i think. there's enough blame to go around the president . right now when we're back we'll continue talking to grandma listen. to president

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i don't like it. which will usually split into which we feel different names how do you view that. complex web of passion. spat between moscow and washington is sending shock waves around the world once again as that some nuclear powers engage in escalating rhetoric talking about a nuclear arms race rivaling each other in sones of conflicts exchanging sanctions

and counter sanctions but with so many solution to global problems very deep in the two powers cooperation will confrontation of this nature last long as other issues like terrorism inflict more damage to the global landscape so will moscow and washington keep taking the old familiar cold war past their realize their potential for peaceful co-dependence into. graham allison professor it's all. about who has step or hand them in pentagon says it's reviewing u.s. missile defense policies after putin has unveiled the new arms and which some say that was a response to america reviewing a nuclear doctrine so this is never going to be and like who. has a bigger muscle. if you go back to the cold war which i can remember very vividly so. the regular administration. americans

soviet leaders worried seriously about the prospect of a nuclear war that was a real vivid possibility because people could see the ways in which the dynamics that had been unveiled and the possibilities of mistakes and misunderstandings for example there was one occasion when there was a nearly a false alarm that produced the reaction that could have produced the use of a nuclear weapon that could have escalated to a nuclear war so brick ignition of the danger of that is what ultimately led to the talks to the negotiations to the agreements so i'm still hopeful that after a period of of huffing and puffing people will get back to a serious agenda but white male there not much evidence that you know at the same time i mean just recently president putin broke thank you letter to cia thanking the agency for helping to prevent terror attack in st petersburg and that he had russia's top spies visit american top spy despite the same shows this so are they

just as communicating and working together despite the fact that the congress doesn't really like that fact well that's a good it's a good illustration so the reality here is that russia and the u.s. whatever their differences share many vital common interests so whatever president putin says or thinks whatever president obama or president trump says or thinks the reality of the matter is that terrorists who could do attacks on either are dangers to both so at one stage actually here in boston where we had to turn away if brothers the russian intelligence service had given the american some information in advance unfortunately they didn't take advantage of it in the case that you referred to american. televisions gave some information the russians

actually if you look at it on matters that really matter take for example theory a nuclear agreement that would never have been reached without very close cooperation between putin's russia and obama's the us it was an actual medical research and after conference about a scrap i salute lee and after the fact what president obama said was thanks to president putin without whom this agreement would never have been reached that was correct so the common interest between us and russia or real as are the competitive interests so i think that question of whether these are in balance in our perception of what's going on is is obviously yet at risk i've written about this this is kind of a grotesque image but this is what i try to explain to americans but i think i would say the same thing to russians so i say to americans think of russia as our insufferable inseparable sameas twit. so how

ever dangerous however self destructive however evil however mischievous however ugly. i'm tempted to strangle them but i have to remember if i give into they had. i will kill him and i will have committed suicide and i would say to the russians the same thing think of americans whatever else as your insufferable inseparable side means to it so when general hatton says that the sole existential threat to united states is russia today more than isis do you agree with that i mean is terrorism not a problem anymore well in the in the new doctrine the larger threats are. china russia as the doctrine says who are strategic rivals and i think actually do

something correct about that in that i think the isis and terrorism threat has been over overbold in terms of the whole picture but i think. both in the case of china and in the case of russia the fact that when has strategic rivals does not mean one does it have very significant shared interests so the challenge and why it's that much more difficult in states craft it would be easier if you had an adversary that you clear about an enemy but whom you didn't have such crucial shared interests but if you however much i don't like you however much i think what you're doing is mischievous however much i think you're actually trying to undermine my security whether i think you're behaving in a self destructive way whatever if your. vital systems are integrated with my own. and i can't find a way to separate ourselves. i have to find

a way to live with you and if i have to try to find a live way to live with you that means whatever combination of humor in you. bing you threatening you blaming you praise a year whatever is required because what you're interested in is russia or what are russian national security experts should be interested in is the survival and wellbeing of russia first and what americans are rightly interested in or should be interested it is a survival and well being of americans first but the sad fact but it's a fact is that we are surviving together. or. we dived again you mentioned china and now russia and china they're cordial to each other you cannot really tell you to so i give you just one more question because i've been close to going to be ok so russia china relations are cordial but far from being a firm alliance and you have said that hostile rhetoric from america two words russia

may push russia into the chinese arms that may detrimental to america as well absolutely i think if you were playing this as a from the perspective of geopolitics and you saw a rising china and it is the dominant issue and that's a subject about which i just published a book last year called decision for war going to america and china escape to cities to have a wise american policy would be trying to find as many other big players who could be on our side in this letter and russia would be a very good candidate for that but i think the combination of. things really artful policy towards russia where he's established a great relationship with putin and they cannot an american mistakes i think in dealing with russia have lived this relationship between russia and china to become . quite a lot and indeed quite thick and would be quite difficult to undermine though in

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