seen and seen again but it was also shown in europe in a lot of places and we had a very good debate in france i was public television channel three in france and. you heard vedra in the x. foreign minister of mr beattie all defended the movie very well i thought against and several other people against the opposition it was the debate was very french but in other words in europe and germany france these things matter italy very important now whether things change as a result it's hard to tell because the recently as you know the united states congress which stuns me voted almost unanimously for sanctions to be expanded against russia. this happened recently so it seems to be almost a reaction to trump. as putin says a domestic politics doesn't feel like trump is trying to sort of way emulate leaders like putin to help syria's i'm not sure i can tell you what is in donald trump's had i don't think anyone can and if they tell you that i don't think he's

stupid i think he's a very sharp guy and i'm sure he wrecks respects things he may misunderstand mr putin to so i don't know but he certainly hasn't lived up to the idea that he gave many people during the campaign that he was against any for any of the interventions that he thought the united states it squandered its resources its assets in wars abroad so we there was his thinking that it would change but it hasn't changed not because of his willpower it but because he hasn't been able to get anywhere in his administration it behaves been stuck in gridlock from the beginning opposition has been severe also because of russia now because no let's can i ask you really that has been the excuse the has been attacked profoundly for russia there's no evidence as yet and i've seen indicates that russia is in any collusion with mr donald trump i mean he's not this meant suring candidate and i

thought there was a surprisingly stupid story but it got a lot of traction in america which worries me and shows you how frankly stupid the american. voter can be if you believe that i don't believe most of them do but i could i don't know that the polling is off on it doesn't make sense if you're saying no one that is elected to change the system to. do what for in america yeah well that's what mr putin says at the end of the interview if you remember he says he's been through four presidents and i asked him what's changed and he said basically nothing so he's indicating that there's a bureaucracy he call that if you're ocracy in america they call it a deep state bureaucracy that has been resistant to change certainly the policies towards russia for the most part united states been highly negative since one thousand nine hundred seventy since the revolution when mr wilson president wilson said american troops to siberia to join the british expeditionary force.

seems wrong. to me. to see out of. one some find themselves while the part. of the common ground.

winning is fourth and most probably last term is russia's president vladimir putin has six more years to fashion his legacy changed russia we continue. welcome back to sophie and co now the other day i sat down with the legendary filmmaker oliver stone and in moscow bookstore and ask him whether a second cold war was just a figure of speech or as to or more to it it's a figure of speech for sure cold war it's

a. very dangerous war it's on the you know you can even say that the original cold war was really a cold war where there were so many proxy wars that were fought in the name of fighting communism you like vietnam. among others korea. you wonder how many people have died in the name of that cold war and you know millions of the third world people have been hurt after all over africa there was battles. and certainly in them we've seen now in the middle east we've seen enormous amount of damage. the specter of communism doesn't work anymore the united states was not able to use that but there is and haran carry over in fact and i'm sure that's in the minds of those congressmen when they vote against for the expansion of russians actions in their mind it's some form of the old russia and they can't get it they can't get them to be an away in the eighty's in the ninety's how come it came back so strongly i mean what is going to take for that paradigm to

disappear from american mind generation was quite surprised by that i was in fact shocked i talking to mr gorbachev was one of the most wonderful moments of my life it was i felt in one thousand nine hundred ninety in my lifetime was a spring springtime of hope a new feeling that this thing was going to change you know that the the wall came down. all the europe eastern european countries expressed love bloodless revolution really a bloodless revolution and russia. relatively both. and i was and mr gorbachev you know was not the crook in america we saw him as a lion as a hero and in this country of course he was seen as a weak man who had lost control of this of this empire so it's a whole different view of it and i've been see mr gorbachev since then i've been through his criticisms of mr putin and i have to say the last time i saw him he

said that mr putin is the guy for now whatever they say because america has violated that compact he made in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight eighty nine that nato would not go east one inch if the germany's were united he allowed for that. that has not happened nato has been accelerated under the not go under the american under clinton and and bush and obama. so and mr gorbachev has pointed out also the the what mr putin says is they greedy on the abrogation of the a.b.m. treaty by the by bush by mr bush in two thousand and one was a vast mistake it and it undermines the nationals the the balance of power that exists between the two countries on top of that you have the american support. putin the scent of terrorists in the caucasus on top of that you have opposing points of view on ukraine obviously and mr putin states his case very clearly in

this book what his case is which americans don't hear and on top of that you have syria which again it's amazing to me how under reported that war is. archie has covered one of our yemen aren't you guys how are some to report any and i don't have a laundry list i want to be add more about this every and the context in which this book came out fills in a weird way that when the actual cold war is in place it was just clean cut you know you had to sidestep where against each other and now for me it's so much more scarier because the world is my pipe holler and there's so much house around and everyone's trying to pull it all on themselves and all this conflict that you just mentioned and many more that we didn't mention are going on because of that and we don't understand how they're going to end or if they're going to end it's always messy. you're young like hell you must be near thunder not that young but thank you

i guess you know to me the original cold war was very confusing and not so clean us against them in fact i went to vietnam as a young man believing that we were fighting communism in other words there were a lot of disguises and when you look back at the whole history of that period as we tried to do untold history the united states i would have to tell you that it's very clear that it was a farce that the united states really pulled the wool over the world and declaring and making the soviet union the fall guy after having won world war two they made them the fall guy for war two two and equated hitler with stalin and also all this stuff going on it comes out of the this misunderstanding of what that first cold war was america has spent a fortune fighting this war and it's deprived its own people us the american people of better education better system more security health welfare all these things

that give me those problems now this social net that's disappearing. could have come out of that instead of being the the money being spent on the cold war so we paid a huge price for it and it never let up i remember in eighty nine there was talk of a peace dividend they talk of it what happened to the peace dividend a few weeks after the berlin wall fell mr bush sr was. going into iraq sending five hundred thousand troops to the middle east and i pointed out it was a big thing because we went when we said five hundred thousand troops to vietnam was actually under lyndon johnson that was a huge deal and the press made a big big number out of that not not since world war two that we knew those numbers were too big we were fighting with too many men we don't it won't work it was too big and what happened we forgot about it reagan mr reagan helped

a lot with his campaign to forget the vietnam war and we were sending a half million men again abroad to fight in the middle east we never got out of the middle east i made a movie about it called w in which dick cheney the dick cheney's character have them asking what what's our exit policy says there is no exit and the truth is we haven't there is no exit to iraq where here those five hundred thousand men in one form or another have never left the middle east so this is heartbreaking stuff if you have any sense of history when i knew it was a mistake i thought the iraq war one was a huge mistake i thought there was plenty of room to negotiate when films like that come on w for instance are at the untold history of the united states they want to even mention how as a percent in america when you pretty much denounce a lot of troops and facts in american history i can't tell you it's easy but i think it's the most some of the most important work i've done in my life i'm very proud of those two films and i pay

a price for because i guess some people would you know they don't consider me in the debate but neither do they consider people like noam chomsky so there is. no center in the united states' political discourse it's all center right ever since the clinton people came into power the center right has become the right and there's no peace party that exists in my country and i don't see any evidence of it except this third party that is so criticized the the green party among others arrows make fun of it you know why i don't know me so well a year in america i always had the feeling the democrats would the least we were concerned about peace now that seems to have been squandered that feeling is squandered and i don't sense any any sense of consensus the only one who did was bernie sanders and if you remember correctly he very rarely mentioned foreign policy he stayed away from it because he knew that was a third rail for him and he was to socialistic for america to actually well i don't

know much about because america may hand up in relatively has to go may have to go more socialistic in order to survive because if things fall apart and we continue to have crises after crises stock market explosions and so forth and meltdowns there has to be a human right and there were no way to trump to change something you know but remember mr obama song what was it seven hundred fifty billion dollars into the economy that's i would call that a socialist move. so you know where the united states is going it's a very it's interesting i think i'm going to try stick around and see because i think that's a great question it's sounds i mean just to be on the sidelines and see what happens it could get really ugly and be pretty nasty too in terms of casualties and of course united states i would skip i'm scares me in the sense that it might lose its self control and out of the sense of panic and fear attack.

this concept that russia is responsible for everything isn't saying but it's very easy to to resort to that kind of nineteen early one nine hundred fifty s. primitivism like a joe mccarthy i was told when i was a young boy the soviets are in our schools they're in our colleges they are there they're creeping into our system where the soviets are going to take us over without even a war that was i heard this from serious people you know you have to allow that this mentality exists and when you're around a vigilante mob that hangs people it's scary because you common sense goes out the window it's the first thing and decency and humanity you go out the window so it scares me that mentality and you know a lot about politics you know politicians and you know something about scripts give me a scenario of how this should work out. every little you ask me for a movie from my point of view from the american side it's not going to happen any other way and that's what's frightening because i don't see that russia can take

any initiative at this point except for surrender would completely all your nuclear arms and you have a regime change mr putin resigns which is insane the second to happen because the russian people support him i don't see any way out right now. no third parties do exist they come into being there's de gaulle's that come up from charles de gaulle you hope for a french leader or a european leader i was very disappointed in merkel throughout this whole process because she knows better she knows the real story of ukraine she and she doesn't fall for it because her foreign minister was involved they knew they knew what was going was a coup d'etat they crane and but in other words there's has to be some kind of european leader. the kind of thing you know to america and i think you know that's one way to put it mr de gaulle i was around when mr goss said no to america that was quite really have friends you know look young to you i mean i am getting there

and we're going to go is really a proud man and proud for france. one hopes for that but there's other ways that the blocks can be broken there's of course china that's a huge number but the united states has to hit a hard line on china doesn't say it like it does say it about russia but the reason that we're arming korea to the degree that we are and japan is truly against the chinese to encircle the chinese. but i worry about korea because we again have so much or so many arms we put into japan and korea. you know this thing can but it can blow up in a second it's like a tinderbox. well it doesn't look good at your age i would like to live out the rest of my life you know what do you do what do you do you bringing attention to it that's the best you can do right now. to my view you should make at movie about this and you shouldn't certainly not in your career i think it was an increase of four hundred s. when i did this because i did care and i want to i want i want peace to have

a chance and i think every time i talk to mr putin over those thirty hours i never sensed any other desire in his part but to have a balance of power respect for each other sovereignty and a sense of peace in the world here and that's what people don't accept from him they can't believe that this man who was they consider a villain is an average of peace. oliver stone thank you very much for this meeting and if you like with everything. american men one is the mountain. and the second is the ratio alex are

a mess. of a trap of anyone can succeed in america the works are so this is a whole group of people all generations and america is saying that there is no melting pot we're not being assimilated there's no opportunities we can't live up so their response essentially is to go into conflict and this is a major. greetings

and sally says while some believe money is what makes the world go round for many especially those in silicon valley and beyond it's data personal data to be exact where you live what you like who you like are you happy sad mad glad at the world around you are you religious how often do you vote are you liberal or conservative why are your friends political preferences for advertisers and marketers these cut this kind of information is go go for political campaigns moments by brain. yes pulled it from our will you universe so of data is indeed the most precious of resources in today's world the facebook has to be the new fort knox which would

make camber gena linux and its parent company strategic communication laboratories a u.k. military contractor the bank robbers who stole fifty million gold bars worth of base but profile data and used it to help donald trump become president except unlike the actual fort knox facebook appears to share your gold with whatever university egghead or advertiser that comes in knocking which is put the social media giant in the political hot seat once again this week the alleged high use breaks down like this in two thousand and fourteen cambridge analytical hired a cambridge university professor to develop an app to farm the data which included people's location information jobs educational histories and page likes on facebook the professor paid some two hundred seventy thousand test subjects to install the app which then allowed him to harvest information off from some fifty million facebook users without their permission because at the time when you fill out the cute little quiz on facebook that was the app facebook's rules allowed apps to

access the the app users friends info as well as their own your friend puts that on they can also see your stuff that they can base breaks down like that so this info was then paid for and used by the trump campaign to predict target and influence voters has all their information but is this really the trump campaign information high use that is being made out to be with steve bannon playing the robert de niro role or is this actually all just part of doing business in the information age and we just got to catch on up let's find out as we start watching the hawks. that's. what. if you. like you know that i got. this.

week. well the watcher the harks i am tired robot and i think a more gentle and biggest story of the weekend coming into this week that was was the fact that fifty million facebook users information was hijacked room facebook back in like twenty fourteen twenty fifteen campaign used it to selectively go after certain sets of voters you know the ads their weight it basically just did they knew what this person might be interested in and how to advertise to this person how to sell donald trump the republican party whatever to get them to vote donald's way. right there who is hacking you again that's the that's the thing i mean you saw the mainstream media just. chilling like oh ok we get this somehow tied to russia maybe there's a company met with the company

a few times. they have really made those connections again i mean i haven't seen anything yet that really makes that connection it really looks like this is you know data mining and russian war put her in the twenty first century you know into my question would be you know where the where the line is between what this company and what makes what was the name of a company or a camera or strategic communication laboratories what makes the strategic communication laboratories different than the internet research company what that does that there i mean you know when you when you look at this it kind of breaks down like you know one is the parent company of like the other you know i mean it's just it's all that twisted game above that i mean what makes it different if this is a company that's a military or a tractor that is looking out for these kinds of things and going out and saying i'm not going to it's a british company going into a foreign doing business for a foreign entity and which to. facts change. so much so what

is different than the internet research agency and those which now we look at. how yes it is only different you know i'm told they deny any wrongdoing but if you are a scam bridge analytical is analytical is and in part by a hedge fund billionaire robert mercer and so that's where i asked that question like where is the moral line that how why is this illegal or not illegal why are they working everybody working so hard to make excuses for a little while demonizing something like internet research agency where they both seem like something that shouldn't be there is somebody like data mining companies i got that you're confused when you brought it up just now though you know i was there and i don't know this one but you know so they said that they were their idea was it promised to target voters what they were selling to their clients was that i would target voters unconscious psychological biases therapist and trying to be about fair as advertisers are and trying to do that for years the arc that this idea that they were going to magically figured out was facebook is another one of

the cons the the world of selling the internet is what but they want to get this personality profiles of of users and then use that obviously to target their biases into who would be good for trump or good for breakfast it was another when they were involved but what's interesting is that so now facebook has suspended cambridge analytical from the platform and what i think is strange although it's probably looking through what you know what it's going on is that they've also. suspended the page of whistleblower christopher wiley who brought it forward he was the whistleblower who told the truth about it so i don't remember the first worked with ted cruz in the presidential campaign they didn't originally work with him so trump so there's a lot of sort of connections and what that's not so very interesting and what really i think what's really interesting to me is you have to ask the question just how culpable of space book and all of this because yes this company was you know illegally got this because the app itself told the users. the hey will share

information within the app to make it a better app not that will turn around and sell your information which is what happened to this the odds of this vote you know there's a lection company. but it has that but you know how culpable is facebook because basically you know data mining and using shills media platforms to reach voters is exactly what most campaigns and all the obama campaign was allowed for it. sure you know that's what you do in elections these days right which it's also understanding about and before we were going on with one thing is that snowden edward snowden actually tweeted out a really interesting part which kind of answers your question a little bit and said facebook makes some money by exploiting and selling intimate details about the private lives of millions far beyond the scant details you voluntarily pose they are not victims they are accomplices this is a business taking your using that information and selling it is the only way they're going to make money so i don't see them not selling our information. the only woman on the forbes list of the world's one hundred highest paid athletes

for twenty seventeen with serena williams a number fifty one in twenty seventeen eight of the ten highest paid female athletes were in tennis williams who's won about thirty nine grand slam titles for an eighty one billion dollar fortune while the highest paid man novak djokovic took home one hundred eight point six million dollars for only twelve grand slams like its grand slam titles and martina navratilova discover that the pay and quality in tennis isn't relegated to the court in an interview with the b.b.c. programme had around the never told of her shock when the b.b.c. published the salaries of their top personalities and it turned out that never to loathe was being paid ten times less than her fellow wimbledon commentator john mcenroe who is earning over two hundred thousand dollars for two weeks' work compared to the average twenty thousand the b.b.c. contends that john and martino perform different roles in the team and john's role is of a different scale scope and time commitment they're simply not comparable he is the

defining voice within the b.b.c.'s coverage he is widely considered to be the best expert commentator in the sport highly valued by audiences his pay reflects all of this gender is a factor of course if this really was just about skill and expertise then it is never too low though with eighteen grand slam titles who edges out mcenroe who only holds seven grand slam titles by the b.b.c.'s own standard mcenroe should make about less than one thousand dollars in. should be making over half a million dollars if it's based on titles for the sports they're experts on and it isn't just tennis that's the pay in gender equality becoming an issue whether it's w.w. wrestling finally figured out that female wrestlers fell lots and lots of tickets to the women the olympic hockey team demanding the pay and respect they deserve all the way to the women who write and talk about sports cheating us today it is that the lack of love for females out of players the map play it is our two sports correspondent steve welcome great to be here steve that's a great interesting fascinating subject matter i think we all can agree on that and that one things i want to ask you is there's been lots of excuses for that kind of

pay disparity over the years between men's and women's sports of see you know the women's play shorter seasons and they're not quite as mark of the bowl and like every excuse under the sun i mean even even mcenroe himself said quote in two thousand and ten said quote the women have a better in tennis than any other sport thanks to billie jean king but you shouldn't push them to play more than they're capable of so you see these kind of like you know this ingrained indoctrination our female athletes really given that much an advantage in sports or is mcenroe just kind of bitter about his eighty four last ivan lendl at the french open where does this all sit on the in mcenroe he's a bit of a hot on the court and off the court obviously so i mean i think i don't think they're given an advantage at all they put in the same blood sweat and tears they practice they prepare the same you know they should be given equal pay for equal work you know just like in any other profession so but they definitely are getting you know i think. the short end of the stick here in terms of you know for me it's

a systemic and a cultural problem i believe because from a young age you know women as girls are told you know play with dolls if you play sports you're a tomboy and that kind of as a stigma so from a young age boys play sports girls you know are told to do that and that that's the problem i think where it all begins so you know stuff like basket. ball and you know the sports like the popular ones tennis basketball hockey golf you know we see men dominating those because a lot of times from a young age they weren't available to little girls to start playing either because they are seen as not as marketable and that's another problem where they're not marketed or promoted like they should be which gives you know men the advantage from from the get go basically so oh yeah and yeah and that and that you know and they're still trying to play catch up that way which is ridiculous because they're they're performing at the same level yes let me ask you this in sports journalism is there.